A truly sickening Facebook page...

[Crugeran Celt]

If they bought me home a nice bit of venison I would not have complained.


You mean you are not a vegetarian?? There will always be a difference of opinion on hunting, my OH is anti-hunting and was completely horrified when I took our then four year old son to see the hunstmen and horses gathering for the off. I didn't see a problem with it as it's a part of our history and heritage as I was brought up to believe but I took his opinion on board and didn't take our son again. Our son, now almost 15 is not interested in horses at all and would choose never to see the hunt gathering but he has no problem with the local farmer shooting any foxes that are found trying to get into the chickens. As to not all foxes having tasted chicken I can't believe you are naive enough to think that any fox given the chance will take chickens, ducks and young lambs. I don't personally have chickens for this very reason, would be devastated if a fox killed my animals but would really struggle with killing the fox myself.

 

[dibbin]

Reported. Anyone who gloats over the deaths of others is sick imo, regardless of their opinion on their pastimes.

 

[steveb4]

Then that must be prejudicial, I may set up an animal rights group, anyone care join

 

[steveb4]

I actually agree with a lot of the hunting argument but when you see first hand the terrier men at work, the heritage and romance soon goes, Pure evil it sickens me. I know this is a pretty good site and most of posters are decent people,
We all love animals but some just don't like foxes.

But when you read on other forums terrier men discussing their pastime, well all I can say is you have to love hunting a hell of a lot to turn a blind eye to it.

I love riding but to me what they do is far worse than a couple of kids on Facebook, I mean it is Facebook. Do adults really take it that seroiusly maybe I'm to old.

 

[fundementalfacts]

What alleged activities are these terrier men undertaking?
All MFHA registered (so all organised formal) hunts obide by very clear moral and humane practices when it comes to terrier work.
And if your source is coming from online, it could be the classic saboteur tactic of anti-hunt protesters masquerading as hunts people in this untraceable online setting in order to shock people looking into the subject and ingeniously make people anti-hunting. As unlikely as it sounds this kind of game is routine.

 

[steveb4]

Hi

What does mfha mean ? Using a mobile phone in a car is illegal does that mean no one does it. I'm not a hunt person as I don't hunt, I own dogs and a horse so maybe I'm animal lover, tree hugged lentil eater or whatever.
I've seen with my own eyes foxes dug out with aid of the dogs and on one occasion I saw a fox held by it back legs in the air and dangled to jack Russell's.
I was 30 at the time I've played rugby for many years, I eat meat, and I felt like crying. I was outnumbered 4-1 if I hadn't been I'd of killed that bloke.
As it was I walked away with the cheers and laughter in my ears, I still ride, still eat meat, still play rugby but I'll never go near a hunt again. I don't consider my self a softie I don't read the guardian but I am human and have some compassion for any living thing.

 

[Alec Swan]

.......

I've seen with my own eyes foxes dug out with aid of the dogs and on one occasion I saw a fox held by it back legs in the air and dangled to jack Russell's.

........

Though you've assured me that you know the type of person who I am, I suspect that you may be wrong. You walked away from such barbarism, I wouldn't have done.

Alec.

 

[steveb4]

It's something I'd say now I wouldn't walk away from, like seeing someone being beaten up\robbed in the street you know you want to intervene when its happening you need to be very brave.


http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/282405-antis/


Theses are the people you talking about would you tackle them
P.s their not talking about me I just found That thread looking for an example

 

[fundementalfacts]

The MFHA is the Master of Foxhounds Association. I not aware of their current stipulated procedures but a season or two ago they were as follows:

The only people allowed to conduct terrier work were the two or three licensed terriermen for the hunt (which means they attended a MFHA training program about the process, had been deemed to have sufficient knowledge and experience and hold a firearms license for a suitable firearm) under the direction of the Master of the day and with the Landowner's written permission.

The work is to be undertaken in a humane and quick fashion with no spectators. The digging down to the fox is to be done completely to allow the fox to be killed instantly with a single shot without being moved or manhandled as you describe. This work has only ever been undertaken when expressly desired by the landowner and is not routine - the preference being to "give the fox best" once marked to ground and leave it. However it did and does form a part of a hunt's pest controlling remit.

Post the Hunting Act 2004 terrier work happens more than before as if hounds are to "cold mark" (indicate a fox is in an earth without actually hunting it but just whilst passing looking for the scent of a laid trail) an earth the fox can be dug out "for the protection of gamebirds" which is one of the exemptions within the hunting act. Landowners now are generally insistent the fox is always dug out irrespective of the time of year which would not have been the case before the 2004 Act, which highlights the way the natural way of things have been destroyed. The red fox in Britain was healthier as a species and more plentiful before "hunting with dogs" was made illegal.

It always strikes me as poignant that the more morally contestable aspect of hunting was preserved through the hunting act - but then we all know on here that the real purpose of the act was nothing to do with animal welfare...

All I can say with regards to the incident you describe and I can only imagine it was prior to the introduction of these procedures (such rogue practices were not common but not unheard of hence the introduction of the procedures) - which are observed by hunts. They genuinely are followed for as it is humane and moral to do so and as a safeguard the MFHA can impose sanctions on hunt's failing to comply.

These procedures were imposed a good 7 - 10 years before the 2004 Act, the MFHA had its eyes on genuine animal welfare long before the so-called "wellfare" based legislation was enacted.

 

[happyhunter123]

I love riding but to me what they do is far worse than a couple of kids on Facebook, I mean it is Facebook. Do adults really take it that seroiusly maybe I'm to old.

Hunting Accidents is, largely, run by Stu Campbell (a keen anti) who is in his thirties, or late twenties at least, not some kid!

I said that before, I just wanted to make it completely clear

We seem to have gone completely off-topic, any way that we can return to the previous discussion which was this page, rather than having a full blown hunting debate? Plenty of places for that

Good post BTW, Fundamentalfacts

 

[Paddydou]

I have just seen the page and reported it. Why it hasn't been taken down yet I have no idea as its inciting violence. Just logged on here to warn others but can see its already been done. Even other anti's are finding it horrid...

 

[Paddydou]

Though you've assured me that you know the type of person who I am, I suspect that you may be wrong. You walked away from such barbarism, I wouldn't have done.

Alec.

Thank God some of us still have balls eh Alec!

 

[JackAT]

The MFHA is the Master of Foxhounds Association. I not aware of their current stipulated procedures but a season or two ago they were as follows:
.....etc.

This has actually cleared up a couple of things I was curious about. Thanks for that! (abbreviated the quote obviously I like to be concise!)

 

[Judgemental]

In some ways this 'incident' if I can call it that, highlights the very moderate people who are prepared to denigrate those who have had a misfortune whilst riding. Perhaps their ill advised posts are a clear demonstration of what we are all so familiar with, in the course of a day's Trail Hunting from anarchical individuals, who feel that they can use hunting as a vehicle to justify their personal frustrations of society.

Similarly I have always been very cautious with the Facebooks, Twitters and Tweets of this world, who are a fundamental an unsettling element and influence within our society. Seemingly they are off- shore corporations in the States, where values of the sanctity of life are fairly cheap.

Do I think this sort of posting will lead to matters that undermine national security? Well yes if the managers and executives of such as Facebook are going to condone the page in question. Because others will inevitably take further liberties. In my view GCHQ should be monitoring these companies because there actions are a means to an end.

 

[Crugeran Celt]

Hi

I've seen with my own eyes foxes dug out with aid of the dogs and on one occasion I saw a fox held by it back legs in the air and dangled to jack Russell's.
I was 30 at the time I've played rugby for many years, I eat meat, and I felt like crying. I was outnumbered 4-1 if I hadn't been I'd of killed that bloke.
As it was I walked away with the cheers and laughter in my ears, I still ride, still eat meat, still play rugby but I'll never go near a hunt again.

That is horrific and completely unacceptable, not sure if I could have walked away, the red mist just might have come down and I am female!! I can see why you are so anti hunting but it still doesn't justify a Facebook page celebrating the death of hunts people. As the saying goes two wrongs do make a right.

 

[Alec Swan]

It's something I'd say now I wouldn't walk away from, like seeing someone being beaten up\robbed in the street you know you want to intervene when its happening you need to be very brave.


http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/282405-antis/


Theses are the people you talking about would you tackle them
P.s their not talking about me I just found That thread looking for an example

Nothing would change my opinion or my approach. What you describe has nothing to do with hunting, or those who hunt.

Alec.

 

[Crugeran Celt]

As the saying goes two wrongs do make a right.[/QUOTE]

Should be two wrongs do not make a right!!

 

[weebarney]

Rightly or wrongly there are always going to be extremists out there pro or anti especially on the Internet.
I once had the pleasure of being on a stable yard with a young lady who revelled in the suffering and death of foxes or other 'vermin', she would come home from hunting very disappointed if the fox lived and I think this was post ban! The yard owner had someone come in to shoot the rats but young lady didn't like the fact they were quickly killed, she wanted them captured live so she could lock them in a stable with a terrier for the entertainment.
I was always told people who hunted respected the fox but she most certainly had no respect, she made me feel sick and I left the yard. God only knows what terror she is putting unfortunate animals through now. And there will be thousands out there like her.

 

[happyhunter123]

Some woman called Lisa Huskisson (wonder if she's a relation of Mike?) has just posted on the Hunting Accidents page:

'I am still gleeful about the jockey who won the Grand National Disgrace this year being seriously hurt the day after !!'

What is actually wrong with some of these people? They must have some mental illness surely?
Disgusting.


(Oh, and by the way steveb, again she's not some kid. She looks about 50 in her profile pic)

 

[angelish]

how do you report the page ?

found it just ignore me now

 

[Alec Swan]

http://www.facebook.com/bluedragonfans/posts/475301302535362?
comment_id=4174661&offset=0&total_comments=1

I thought that this might interest you.

Alec.

 

[jrp204]

When you read the page they are not just spouting their vile tripe over hunting accidents but those of people who shoot too, be it for pest control of for food.

 

[happyhunter123]

http://www.facebook.com/bluedragonfans/posts/475301302535362?
comment_id=4174661&offset=0&total_comments=1

I thought that this might interest you.

Alec.

Thanks, I couldn't seem to reply to your PM for some reason.
That makes sense-I could see ads for Paddy Power on there, and I assume that's because I've liked some racing pages, so ads are not specific for any page, but merely specific for a user.

When you read the page they are not just spouting their vile tripe over hunting accidents but those of people who shoot too, be it for pest control of for food.

And now, judging by some of the comments, jockeys as well
How could anyone feel 'gleeful' about what could have been a very serious injury (but thankfully wasn't) to a young man?

 

[meandmyself]

I have just seen the page and reported it. Why it hasn't been taken down yet I have no idea as its inciting violence. Just logged on here to warn others but can see its already been done. Even other anti's are finding it horrid...

I reported it and got a reply from Facebook saying: 'Thanks for your recent report of a potential violation on Facebook. After reviewing your report, we were not able to confirm that the specific page you reported violates Facebook's Statement of Rights and Responsibilities.'

 

[bonny]

I reported it and got a reply from Facebook saying: 'Thanks for your recent report of a potential violation on Facebook. After reviewing your report, we were not able to confirm that the specific page you reported violates Facebook's Statement of Rights and Responsibilities.'

Just had a look at the facebook page and I really don't get why you think it's inciting violence?
Can't help but think the best thing to do is to ignore it....getting a response is exactly what these people want and reacting to their posts just gives them more ammunition. It's a tricky one because gloating about people's deaths and injuries is so vile but it is free speech and I guess if they feel that way then they are free to go ahead however objectionable it may seem.

 

[Alec Swan]

Reporting it to Facebook is a complete and utter waste of time.

Facebook earn a massive revenue from those who advertise with them. The more hits, the more popular the page, the greater the revenue, and for the more popular pages, so the greater the advertising rate. Facebook love pages such as the one in question, more revenue!! Get it?

If enough people contact those who advertise, and point out that A/ They wont buy their products, and B/ That they will actively campaign to prevent others from doing so, whilst they continue to advertise on the relevant page, then Facebook, who are a very wealthy group will prefer to pull the page, than lose revenue. See?

Alec.

 

[meandmyself]

Just had a look at the facebook page and I really don't get why you think it's inciting violence?
Can't help but think the best thing to do is to ignore it....getting a response is exactly what these people want and reacting to their posts just gives them more ammunition. It's a tricky one because gloating about people's deaths and injuries is so vile but it is free speech and I guess if they feel that way then they are free to go ahead however objectionable it may seem.

It was the best fit out of the limited options they have.

 

[Paddydou]

If enough people report it Facebook will take it down. I have asked everyone I know including posting on some groups I am on to report and so far many have felt the same way and have done.

Amazingly most of the people who have reported it are anti's as they really do not want to be associated with such muck and incitefull behaviour as it goes completely against their principles. But then the anti's I know are not the people who harrass and badger but use informed debate to try and convert me! One even apologised for voting Blair!

I just feel so terribly sorry for the families. It is always the minority of any group...

 

[bonny]

If enough people report it Facebook will take it down. I have asked everyone I know including posting on some groups I am on to report and so far many have felt the same way and have done.

Amazingly most of the people who have reported it are anti's as they really do not want to be associated with such muck and incitefull behaviour as it goes completely against their principles. But then the anti's I know are not the people who harrass and badger but use informed debate to try and convert me! One even apologised for voting Blair!

I just feel so terribly sorry for the families. It is always the minority of any group...

I'm guessing that Alec is right and facebook won't take it down and all this is doing is adding to the publicity and interest in the page. If you want it taken down then you need to be able to say why it contravenes facebook rules and I don't see that it does.

 

[happyhunter123]

There is now a petition to have the page taken down:

https://www.causes.com/actions/1745762-tell-facebook-to-close-the-hunting-accidents-page

Please sign and share if you can! Thanks