Aaaaaaaaaaand so it continues . . .

Renvers said:
This ^^ iirc the FM's beef originally was that you didn't call her direct when putting PS out - is she vindicitve enough to turn your misunderstanding with your other FM into an attempt to try the same back?
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Honestly, I doubt it . . . I really do not think the FM I originally angered by turning horse out without contacting her would deliberately put my horse in harm's way . . . the other FM, on the other hand, has been very "involved" and knowing how she has behaved towards other liveries, I am wary of her. She was the one who brought the other two horses in . . .

I hope I'm wrong.

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Ah i know how this kind of thing feels PS..

Our yard has a feed rota system, the liveries do one morning each and YO does one morning. This evening (not my morning to feed) i went up to find my 2yo going mental and his haylage sat outside his stable :( He'd had no haylage since the night before.

I wont be staying there much longer.
 
I had this at my last yard - horse left out in his field on his own with no other horses in sight, so I got a youngster on loan so that there were three out in the field during the day and the youngster and other livery out at night. Strict instructions given to me by owner of youngster that he wasn't to be left on his own, passed on to other livery. Went up randomly at 7am one morning (I didn't usually go up in the mornings) to find youngster alone in the field, galloping up and down and in obvious distress. The field was not in sight of the yard so noone would have seen if he'd hurt himself. I asked why other livery had left him on his own having been told under no circumstances should it happen, she said she 'didnt know'.

I gave my notice in 2 days later and moved to a lovely yard (further away) with a no horses left on their own policy.
 
I thought you you had the yo owner sorting it out but you had left that yard.
The person sounds like a right nasty piece of work, knowing your horse freaks on his own and leaving him out alone :mad::mad: nasty 81tch
I know what i would do, sadly if i put it on here, id be banned, i wouldnt give a fig if its me folks are nasty to, but mess with any of my horses at your peril .
 
PS, please don't take this the wrong way, I had a similar situation to you and it resulted in someone feeding my horse unsoaked sugarbeet, which resulted in a horrible vets call at 2 am. I'm not saying the same thing will happen to you, but if there is any spitefulness, its best to nip it in the bud asap, otherwise it spirals.

Again, hope I don't sound patronising. I'm sure it'll get sorted soon.
 
horses left on their own will get used to it, have never understood the idea that everyone has to traipse aboout with everyone elses horses when they're bringing theirs in and out. i regularly leave all of ours alone while I ride/stand some in for the farrier-there is some screaming/running about until they get used to it and then they settle and are much safer horses for it. part of the joys of livery-i suggest if you want a constant companion you buy one.
 
SusieT said:
horses left on their own will get used to it, have never understood the idea that everyone has to traipse aboout with everyone elses horses when they're bringing theirs in and out. i regularly leave all of ours alone while I ride/stand some in for the farrier-there is some screaming/running about until they get used to it and then they settle and are much safer horses for it. part of the joys of livery-i suggest if you want a constant companion you buy one.
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The salient point is your comment ALL OF OURS - so if you wish to have vets bill associated with what you choose to do then that is your choice. But when you have the responsibility of being on a communal yard with other peoples horses - then sorry - it is not your choice as to what is or is not allowed or what is ethical.
 
SusieT said:
horses left on their own will get used to it, have never understood the idea that everyone has to traipse aboout with everyone elses horses when they're bringing theirs in and out. i regularly leave all of ours alone while I ride/stand some in for the farrier-there is some screaming/running about until they get used to it and then they settle and are much safer horses for it. part of the joys of livery-i suggest if you want a constant companion you buy one.
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As much as I sympathise with you OP, and the awful situation you find yourself in, SusieT is right to a point that you can't keep relying on others to have to deal with your horse.

I had someone who wanted to come to my field but the horse couldn't be left alone. I'm sorry, but that's not suitable to how my life at the field runs. Apart from our pony (who is now companion to our retired horse as well as continuing his education) all my horses have to be able to be alone, it's just not practical if they need to be with another horse every waking minute of the day.

I'll be honest, and maybe you might think I'm a little selfish...but I couldn't be at a yard where I had to bring in other horses as well as my own, it's something either your YO needs to arrange and deal with OR as SusieT says, get a companion in.

I hope you get it all sorted out soon. :)
 
At the last yard that I was at, we never left a single horse out on it's own. During one winter, I finished work second last, so there were only two horses left out when I got to the yard. I talked to the owner who worked later than I did and we decided that she would leave her stable ready and I would bring both horses in (she fed, changed rug, checked horse over etc... when she arrived). It never bothered me in the slightest and I would have felt terrible leaving one distressed horse out on it's own.
 
DragonSlayer said:
As much as I sympathise with you OP, and the awful situation you find yourself in, SusieT is right to a point that you can't keep relying on others to have to deal with your horse.

I had someone who wanted to come to my field but the horse couldn't be left alone. I'm sorry, but that's not suitable to how my life at the field runs. Apart from our pony (who is now companion to our retired horse as well as continuing his education) all my horses have to be able to be alone, it's just not practical if they need to be with another horse every waking minute of the day.

I'll be honest, and maybe you might think I'm a little selfish...but I couldn't be at a yard where I had to bring in other horses as well as my own, it's something either your YO needs to arrange and deal with OR as SusieT says, get a companion in.

I hope you get it all sorted out soon. :)
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I have no problems with this at all - as long as you know the ground rules when you go to the yard - we are just looking at getting a third pony so i am never in this situation again... but if this is not an express condition of when you go to a yard - then the only person to blame is the yo or ym for not sorting out the ground rules when the livery has arrived.
 
SusieT said:
horses left on their own will get used to it, have never understood the idea that everyone has to traipse aboout with everyone elses horses when they're bringing theirs in and out. i regularly leave all of ours alone while I ride/stand some in for the farrier-there is some screaming/running about until they get used to it and then they settle and are much safer horses for it. part of the joys of livery-i suggest if you want a constant companion you buy one.
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Not all of them will get used to it . . . mine is not the only one on our yard who won't/can't settle on his own and tbh, I'd rather not risk the vet's bills associated with "letting him get on with it." I'm not talking about a little bit of cantering around the field, I'm talking about turning himself inside out/being prepared to hurt himself to get out of the field.

As for traipsing about after other people's horses . . . I haven't once asked this particular livery to bring my horse in and I go to enormous lengths to make sure my fieldmates are not responsible for my horse's safety - including making three trips to the yard a day to make sure he's brought in either or before or when the other two come in, at our field's "official" bringing in time (2.30). Yesterday, FM brought the other two in early . . . without letting me know. I was there bang on 2.30 . . . according to the livery who kindly brought him in for me, the other two had been in since about quarter to two.

Finally, I haven't been on a single livery yard where the reigning culture was "every man, woman and child for themselves" . . . we all look out for each other's horses, regardless of how we feel about the owners. I would no more leave her horse in a situation in which it was obviously distressed than fly to the moon.

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DragonSlayer said:
As much as I sympathise with you OP, and the awful situation you find yourself in, SusieT is right to a point that you can't keep relying on others to have to deal with your horse.

I had someone who wanted to come to my field but the horse couldn't be left alone. I'm sorry, but that's not suitable to how my life at the field runs. Apart from our pony (who is now companion to our retired horse as well as continuing his education) all my horses have to be able to be alone, it's just not practical if they need to be with another horse every waking minute of the day.

I'll be honest, and maybe you might think I'm a little selfish...but I couldn't be at a yard where I had to bring in other horses as well as my own, it's something either your YO needs to arrange and deal with OR as SusieT says, get a companion in.

I hope you get it all sorted out soon. :)
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But YO and fieldmates knew he couldn't be alone when we moved to the yard - I had been at a previous yard with one of them. And I don't depend on others to sort my horse out . . . but I do expect that on a one-off occasion when one FM decides to bring the other two in early that she at least let me know KNOWING that there's a decent chance that mine will hurt himself if left alone.

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P.S. Can't have a companion - yard rule is three horses to a field - our field is full.
 
tricky one i see both sidesto something like this,

maybe they dont feel safe handling your horse for whatever reason?

maybe they dont have time to be bringing in other peoples horses?

i may have missed it (i am sure i have) but what is the yard rule regarding this?

maybe because things are strained between you they feel if the horse got away from them or something then they would be blamed for doing it on purpose?

we have a lady at our yard who lives within 2 mins walk to the yard she does not work, her horse it out with no other horse out at all every night for at least 2hrs, her horse screams and paces the fence creating knee deep mud at the top of the field for everyone. she says she is quite happy for anyone to bring the horse in-but why should they? she cant be bothered and yes most days for at least 15 mins she gallops wildly round the field.
she wanted to put her out with mine and i said no, my friends are with mine and my daughters cant be left alone but we can lead all three in together, and wewill take it in turn to bring in and put out, so its fair all round.
i might add both the first and second women i am speaking about are good friends but some people take the pee:rolleyes:

also with regards to feeding, we have blocks and in most the agreement is that first in feeds them all, one women in our block does not speak to me and mine live out, i do a couple in the block most weeks for friends but i dont see why i should have to feed them all-they are not mine the owner is rude and i often run down get mine in then run to work i make time for mine not everyones,they choose to have them and they choose to keep them in so they can get out of bed and feed them
 
Sorry Susie T i disagree with you,not all horses cope, my gelding will run screaming in a blind panic through a fence if left on his own for any length of time, so they dont always get used to it.
The practice of the place is no horse would be left out on its own, imo it was done out of badness, when things get to that level between clients on a yard the yo needs to manage the situation, op i will guarentee it will escalate if she's not reined in, they need to make it clear if it doesnt improve, someone will be asked to leave to restore harmony.
 
PolarSkye said:
But YO and fieldmates knew he couldn't be alone when we moved to the yard - I had been at a previous yard with one of them. And I don't depend on others to sort my horse out . . . but I do expect that on a one-off occasion when one FM decides to bring the other two in early that she at least let me know KNOWING that there's a decent chance that mine will hurt himself if left alone.

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P.S. Can't have a companion - yard rule is three horses to a field - our field is full.
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I understand that, but if you went to the yard and the other liveries were told they to have to bring in your horse, it might not be suitable for them?

I'm not trying to sound unfeeling, I wouldn't want to be having to share a field with a horse I had to bring in everytime I brought mine in, if I had two, how could I lead in another?

I think this comes down to your YO, your field sharer should tell THEM they are bringing in their horses, so they should be bringing yours in at the same time as they were aware of the situation when you came to the yard.

As you say, let's hope it's just a one-off this time. :)
 
PolarSkye said:
But YO and fieldmates knew he couldn't be alone when we moved to the yard - I had been at a previous yard with one of them. And I don't depend on others to sort my horse out . . . but I do expect that on a one-off occasion when one FM decides to bring the other two in early that she at least let me know KNOWING that there's a decent chance that mine will hurt himself if left alone.

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P.S. Can't have a companion - yard rule is three horses to a field - our field is full.
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but it is not the fieldmates responsibility

you need to request change of field and share with someone who struggles to get to the yard everyday and then offer to help them out in return for them bringing yours in if they are there first.

i would not bring someone elses horse in whenever i got mine in unless they wanted to pay me and some people just want to do their own and thats their choice

as others have said if you dont want him to ever be on his own you need to get a companion so that you can control that. he is yours not theirs
 
To be honest, this is all sounding a bit passive aggressive between all of you.

There is a problem to be solved. Personally I would be asking for a meeting with YO and both field mates at the same time. Other than stating I'm aware the current situation isn't working for any of us and unless there is an opportunity to move fields, this needs to work for the horse, do not blame or go into detail about what's happened. Focus only on the problem and the welfare of the horse. Nothing else.

The purpose is to simply state the current situation is not working. The fact is X horse cannot be left on his own. How do we resolve this? OP can keep to her schedule but obviously the fieldmates have the right to change theirs, and how does that impact on each field mate. What do I need to do to make this work?

By the way, one option would be you pay the YO to bring your horse in if the others are being brought in. Costs money, but does mean you have instructed the YO to ensure the horse is not on his own. Doesn't require the fieldmates to change their behaviour/ impact on them.
 
Some of you are missing something.... What would it have taken for the other livery to have text PS and told her that her greydonk was going to be on his own. While it is not the other liveries responsibility to bring him in, it's common courtesy to ay least inform the poor gal her horse is out on his own. How many of you here can say you wouldn't do that?
 
I have just looked back and this orginally started because the other two in your field thought your horse was "hot headed" and couldn't be left alone.

I cant excuse their behaviour in leaving your horse alone but honestly it is not their problem.

Horses take enough time and effort anyway without having to consider sharing a field with a problem horse. If their horses are easy they have probably got sick to death of it. I know I would. One of ours is like your horse, but I am lucky in that the yard allow my three to share a field, even though mares and geldings are normally seperated.

I wouldn't me happy if I could not bring a horse in when I wanted to, regardless of the time. And what happens if they want to ride together. They will have to bring your horse in, is he OK alone in the stable, do they need to put hay in etc etc.

I think I would be looking at a yard move to somewhere which provides bring in and knows your horses problems.

On our yard they have staff to deal with things like this, and it is part DIY.
 
Toast said:
Some of you are missing something.... What would it have taken for the other livery to have text PS and told her that her greydonk was going to be on his own. While it is not the other liveries responsibility to bring him in, it's common courtesy to ay least inform the poor gal her horse is out on his own. How many of you here can say you wouldn't do that?
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Toast I would not do that - I would simply fetch the horse in - everyone that is saying I wouldnt, why should i - wait till your in the unfortunate position and its your horse jumping out of fields and going through barbed wire fences.

At work you have a DUTY of CARE to everyone - its a pity we dont have the same DUTY of CARE to others on commnual yards.

FGS its not like the op is taking the micky - i am so glad i have my own field - so i can sort mine out - but you know what - i still will bring a horse in if its stressing as it has been left on its own - you know why ? because i would not wish harm on anyones horse - how ever much i hate the owner or think they are egits.
 
Toast said:
Some of you are missing something.... What would it have taken for the other livery to have text PS and told her that her greydonk was going to be on his own. While it is not the other liveries responsibility to bring him in, it's common courtesy to ay least inform the poor gal her horse is out on his own. How many of you here can say you wouldn't do that?
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Absolutely. PS is NOT saying she wants her horse done. She wants the common courtesy of someone letting her know they are going to deviate from usual routine so she can do her own horse.

I really, really don't think that sending a text message (30s of your life and 12p if you are PAYG) is asking too much. All it had to say was 'I'm just about to go and fetch in. Thought I should let you know' and then poor old grey donk wouldn't have had to belt about like a mad thing.
 
PolarSkye said:
I actually don't think the one who wasn't there would stoop that low . . . I wouldn't put it past the other one though - I just can't be sure.

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Sounds like there's a bit of 'tit for tat' going on here.. The FM on question doesn't happen to be the one who's horse's leg swelled up last week? If so, it does sound as though it's an attempt at getting their own back.
Very childish, so not called for, and they need a reality check..
 
Oh, and most of the yards i've been on, the general rule is "No horse should be left out in his/her own", this is a perfectly fair rule, and if that rule is on your yard you'd have to do the same, or it looks bad on you.
 
I cant believe they would blame your horse for being hot headed then purposely wind him up by leaving him out! shocking behaviour. But I can see how frustrating it must be for them to have to share with him.

Perhaps its worth being up first to bring in? surely the YO doesnt expect everyone to be available at 2:30 on the dot so maybe go earlier if you can

Personally I would request a meeting with the YO and the two FM as I agree with a previous poster that this is getting a much now. The YO wont split a field, wont deviate from their rules regarding fields, the FM think your horse is a loose cannon and you are trying to defend him and are intent on staying (and I cant blame you) but sooner or later someone's horse will pay the price of all this pig headedness and will get injured
 
I am afraid i have to agree with WelshD - that someones horse is going to get injured and that is my issue.

I also agree the yo is the only one that can sort this out - now i do not wish to worry you - but the bad weather is fast approaching.. what happens in the snow and ice.... you cant trust these people to work with you now when its muddy and slippy... but i feel sick to think what on earth could happen with ice underfoot or frozen ground to knacker tendons and ligaments up on.

I am frankly shocked that folk think that it is acceptable to jepordise someone elses horse saftey and or future
 
I get the impression usual arrangement is to bring in at 2.30, so its not as though ps was expecting her horse brought in just once, let alone regularly. As already said, a quick text to say 'getting ours in early' would have solved it. I do agree its a pita if you have to do it regularly, but as a one off it wouldn't have killed anyone. And I stand by the fact that no matter what, taking out disagreements on an animal is disgusting. I once fell out with someone, I still hate them now. (sent knackered late 30's pony to a dealer & got a replacement to ride). When replacement pony got colic one evening, I rang them, nursed it waiting for vet, & when vet arrived helped him because they were flapping uselessly. Next day they thanked me, & I truthfully replied I wouldn't **** on them to put them out if they were on fire, I did it for the ponys sake. It's called being an adult.
 
rachel_s said:
To be honest, this is all sounding a bit passive aggressive between all of you.

There is a problem to be solved. Personally I would be asking for a meeting with YO and both field mates at the same time. Other than stating I'm aware the current situation isn't working for any of us and unless there is an opportunity to move fields, this needs to work for the horse, do not blame or go into detail about what's happened. Focus only on the problem and the welfare of the horse. Nothing else.

The purpose is to simply state the current situation is not working. The fact is X horse cannot be left on his own. How do we resolve this? OP can keep to her schedule but obviously the fieldmates have the right to change theirs, and how does that impact on each field mate. What do I need to do to make this work?

By the way, one option would be you pay the YO to bring your horse in if the others are being brought in. Costs money, but does mean you have instructed the YO to ensure the horse is not on his own. Doesn't require the fieldmates to change their behaviour/ impact on them.
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This. Absolutely agree. If the YO agrees to bring your horse in if this ever arises again, for a small fee, then the game, if there is one, is brought to a swift end, and you will have peace of mind.
 
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