Aaaaaaaaaaand so it continues . . .

Gingerwitch said:
Toast I would not do that - I would simply fetch the horse in - everyone that is saying I wouldnt, why should i - wait till your in the unfortunate position and its your horse jumping out of fields and going through barbed wire fences.

At work you have a DUTY of CARE to everyone - its a pity we dont have the same DUTY of CARE to others on commnual yards.

FGS its not like the op is taking the micky - i am so glad i have my own field - so i can sort mine out - but you know what - i still will bring a horse in if its stressing as it has been left on its own - you know why ? because i would not wish harm on anyones horse - how ever much i hate the owner or think they are egits.
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GW I'm not for one minute saying they shouldn't fetch him in. If I were in that position, I too would have brought him in. As I know mine would go bonkers, go through fencing etc. I was simply saying that even if they didn't want to get the horse in they could've at least te,t to say he was on his own.
 
Toast said:
GW I'm not for one minute saying they shouldn't fetch him in. If I were in that position, I too would have brought him in. As I know mine would go bonkers, go through fencing etc. I was simply saying that even if they didn't want to get the horse in they could've at least te,t to say he was on his own.
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Toast - sorry its a pain the butt when your on the interent and you cant get your point accross.... what i meant - was yes text em or call em - but i would not do that and then fetch mine in - i would just automatcially do it. And prob text owner to say horse was in - so if they were out doing something they would not rush back.

My rant about duty of care.... is just a general comment on the whole thing - as it does annoy me that people could stand by and potentially let an animal get hurt - for the cost of 5 mins ... you do have to wonder if the left horse had impailed itself on a fence post would they walk away from that too ? cause if that happend they would, or you would like to think they would, tend to the horse - or would that not be their problem either ? Oh and ym's and yo's are allowed a day off too - and if i was this ym i would be banging heads together and tell em to sort it out or ship out !
 
Gingerwitch said:
Toast - sorry its a pain the butt when your on the interent and you cant get your point accross.... what i meant - was yes text em or call em - but i would not do that and then fetch mine in - i would just automatcially do it. And prob text owner to say horse was in - so if they were out doing something they would not rush back.

My rant about duty of care.... is just a general comment on the whole thing - as it does annoy me that people could stand by and potentially let an animal get hurt - for the cost of 5 mins ... you do have to wonder if the left horse had impailed itself on a fence post would they walk away from that too ? cause if that happend they would, or you would like to think they would, tend to the horse - or would that not be their problem either ? Oh and ym's and yo's are allowed a day off too - and if i was this ym i would be banging heads together and tell em to sort it out or ship out !
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Ahhh I'm with you now! That's what I'd do also.
 
Gingerwitch said:
Toast - sorry its a pain the butt when your on the interent and you cant get your point accross.... what i meant - was yes text em or call em - but i would not do that and then fetch mine in - i would just automatcially do it. And prob text owner to say horse was in - so if they were out doing something they would not rush back.

My rant about duty of care.... is just a general comment on the whole thing - as it does annoy me that people could stand by and potentially let an animal get hurt - for the cost of 5 mins ... you do have to wonder if the left horse had impailed itself on a fence post would they walk away from that too ? cause if that happend they would, or you would like to think they would, tend to the horse - or would that not be their problem either ? Oh and ym's and yo's are allowed a day off too - and if i was this ym i would be banging heads together and tell em to sort it out or ship out !
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its always difficult to get your point acroos via internet.
with OP problem i do agree it is down to YO to sort out a solution, if the other field users are intimidated by the horse it is unfair to expect them to bring it in, but requesting the YO be informed the others are coming in so someelse can get horse in would be a good solution. as would sharing the field and chores with someone OP gets on better with.
in my case the horse that is left on its own is not in my field, my field is 20mins from the yard so sharing with someone who wont take responsibility for their own or take turns with the work is not going to happen.
in this situation as the other people in the field (if i was not happy to bring in other horse) i would have approached YO and said i was not happy to handle the horse so could something be sorted, otherwise i would be happy to bring in on odd occasions but not if it was all the time.
what caused the field politics to go wrong though as that may have a bearing on the situation.

i moved some horses from my field once and was told by YO that the owners were concerned i may get hurt if i handed the horses-they were not concerned when my 15yr old daughter caught this horse after he broke out of the field or when we have all untangled him from fencing, being caught in his rug or put him back in his own field and rpaired fencing-sometimes people say stuff to suit themselves at the time but i will now not handle those horses as i am deemed unfit to do so-i used to do said horse on part livery a few yrs ago:rolleyes:
 
Really inconsiderate, I can't understand how people can leave any horse in a situation where it might get injured.
I can't help wondering though what happens if the field mates want to take their horses out for a ride, on a day off maybe? For many years I've been lucky enough to own enough horses so that one of mine never needed to be left alone watching all it's field mates taken away. But - how does this work if people just want to get their horses out of the field and take them away to do something with them. Say there were three, and two wanted to ride, they might bring a horse in and leave it going mad in the stable instead for the field.
Hmmm...
 
I'd inform yo.
Then id crack on looking for new yard.

You don't want him out on worse ground doing this. And all these little things which are just points being made are damaging your horse :(

I've left horses out by themselves before, hacking etc. I want to enjoy my horses and not be hindered by others... But they were horses I knew were fine out or I brought in before taking mine out. A quick text if brought in. Common Courtesy. Equally I have always requested mine left alone as wasn't fussed and left a yard that brought mine in when out alone.

It's not hard to learn what two other people/horses in your field like :(
 
I'd also be inclined to remind yo that her public liability would be used if ps gets out. She has a duty of care for all animals there and should be making sure things like this don't happen.
 
rachel_s said:
By the way, one option would be you pay the YO to bring your horse in if the others are being brought in. Costs money, but does mean you have instructed the YO to ensure the horse is not on his own. Doesn't require the fieldmates to change their behaviour/ impact on them.
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Yard is pure DIY. YO doesn't "do" other people's horses. There is no "assistance" offered.

I agree that a sitdown meeting needs to be had b/c things can't go on as they are. As for expecting other people to bend for me/change their behaviour, the 2.30 bring-in time is imposed by one of the two FMs because that's when she gets off work/comes up to ride . . . I already bend/modify my own behaviour by making sure my horse comes in at the agreed time either by bringing him in myself or having a fellow livery bring him in (I turn hers out for her) so that he isn't alone/doesn't inconvenience the other two. To be honest, I'd prefer it if he were out longer, but it's not possible. All I'm asking for is a little consideration. I give enough of it myself. A simple call or text (or hell even a note on the yard board) to say they'd be coming in early would have been courteous.
 
OK - b/c I don't have time to address every single post individually (daughter needs the laptop for homework) some points/answers:

- Dangerous to bring in . . . erm, no. He does get his knickers in a twist sometimes but he is very easy to lead to and from the field . . . neither of my FMs are particularly inexperienced or precious and both know they could easily handle my horse.

- Hotheaded . . . he is playful, but I wouldn't call him hotheaded. Original issue is that when I put him back in the field after five weeks on box rest (still being worked) there was a miscommunication b/w me and one of the FMs resulting in the other FM not booting her horse up as a precaution. All my horse did was canter up the field, buck a couple of times, trot in circles for a couple of minutes and then settle down to eat. All three of the horses play regularly - the state of their rugs is testament to that - and the rug trashing continued when my horse was out of the field.

- Bring-in time . . . 2.30 is not the YARD bring-in time, it's the time decided by one of my two FMs because it is convenient for her. It isn't at all convenient for me (and I have expressed that), but I still make sure my horse is in by that time so that he isn't left alone and so that I don't inconvenience either of my two FMs. I have never expected either of them to bring him in . . . but before all the field fall-out, there was a tacit understanding that NONE of our horses would ever be left alone if distressed and I have brought both of their horses in before now for various reasons without being asked.

I just think yesterday was a gross lack of simple courtesy . . . good news is that my horse seems to be no worse for the experience. He was stiff this morning, his right hind is up a little, but when I worked him he worked through the stiffness. Bless him.

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Well, sounds like a move of yard probably is going to be your best course of action. This one simply doesn't seem to meet your needs.
 
TBH I couldn't be bothered with all the hassle, I can see your point that you don't want him left alone, but having been stuck constantly bringing in another horse which couldn't be left alone at my old yard, I can see where your FM's are coming from. I just want to do my horses when I want to do them which is exactly what I can do at my new yard, so I think you should just look for a new yard, IME you will be much happier without all this constant stress, you will be able to get him in at a time to suit you, your other alternative is to get a 2nd horse, it isn't up to other liveries to provide your horse with a companion. My old YM expected this & it caused huge difficulties for some of the liveries. Good luck
 
I used to pay another livery to bring both of mine in at 2pm when she bought hers in. Then when the girl left the yard I swapped a favour with another lady for her to bring them in.

I think having to get another horse in every day is a real bind. I don't want get another horse in when I get to the yard. Maybe offer something as a trade or even money. Attitudes may change then. :)
 
It isn't other liveries responsibility to bring in your horse. Aren't there any yard staff you can pay to bring it in if it isn't happy left out along until you arrive?

I think you either need to pay the yard, make a shared labour arrangement with someone there earlier who would be prepared to bring your horse in if you do something in return for them, get there earlier yourself or move to a yard with more assistance and have your horse brought in with the others if being alone distresses it.

FWIW I wouldn't regularly bring in someone else's horse for no payment or no favor in return just because my routine was to do things earlier.
 
Honey08 said:
Or get yourself another, so there are always two out even if FM's bring in!!
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There is no space on yard and no more horses allowed in the field, which is why PS is still in same field with them.

PS has at no point said that she expects them to do her turn out. She has fitted in with the other two FMs to bring her horse in at 2.30 because that's when they want theirs in because she knows hers gets wound up alone. The FMs have now changed this without letting PS know. All PS has said is that she should've been notified or horse brought in. Which I absolutely agree with.

Quite how she can pay someone else to bring in, when she doesn't know that the others have come in is confusing me...
 
Flame_ said:
It isn't other liveries responsibility to bring in your horse. Aren't there any yard staff you can pay to bring it in if it isn't happy left out along until you arrive?

I think you either need to pay the yard, make a shared labour arrangement with someone there earlier who would be prepared to bring your horse in if you do something in return for them, get there earlier yourself or move to a yard with more assistance and have your horse brought in with the others if being alone distresses it.

FWIW I wouldn't regularly bring in someone else's horse for no payment or no favor in return just because my routine was to do things earlier.
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It's not regularly as far as I can see?

Why should PS have to limit her horses turnout even further... in case once in a blue moon the others are brought in earlier. She isn't a mind reader and brings her horse in at a time which suited the FMs.

I would expect a text if the general routine was changing.

I also wouldn't be staying on this yard.
 
sounds to me like your horse is aproblem horse, as for getting knickers int wist etc. -probably is an inconvenience for them to handle. and the fact she has an earlier routine is no fault of hers, you do seem very panicky about him cantering around in the field-possibly a bit precious?!
i suggest you move yards to where it is an actual rule as opposed to 'tacit agreement' re; horses being on their own. my guess is they are fed up with having a precious/ 'playful-i.e exciteable' horse in their field who they have to worry about etc. how do you suggest they bring all three in without leaving theirs on their own?
 
SusieT said:
how do you suggest they bring all three in without leaving theirs on their own?
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Bring in one. Leave two out. Go back for other two?

Hardly rocket science is it? ;)


ETS: this has turned into one of those hilarious threads where people read what they want to read and not what the OP has actually said. And tbf she has repeatedly said it too! :rolleyes:
 
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Has there been an incident to cause a 'fall out' between yourself and the other FMs?
We are only hearing one side of this story. Having in the past been on DIY yards i know it is a pain if one won't be left on its own. However it is also a bind if you have to arrange bringing your own horse in around another problem horse.
I can see both sides of the argument. The problem is the OPs horse, and having myself owned a 'playful/ stressy horse' I can see why they would be reluctant to bring it in. What happens if they get injured while doing it? There would be no insurance cover.
Yes they should have rung or texted to say there was a change in time the horses were being fetched in.
Firstly you need to have a meeting with The YO and FMs to try and clear the air. Maybe you can arrange a rota and bring in or turn out for each other.
What happens about TO in the mornings, or if any of you want to ride? Does the same problem occur then? Does your horse mind if he is turned out 1st on his own?
Could you try him in a field on his own? We have had horses who like yours get stressed when their field mates are brought in, but if originally turned out on their own will happily stay out.
If it can't be resolved you need to move to a yard with assisted DIY or part livery.
 
What she also hasn't said is how far the field is.

My field is about 10 yards from the stables. Others have a very long walk. I wouldn't want to do it twice. I also hate bringing other peoples horses in, probably as I'm getting older and slower.

Mine are trained, I open the gate and one of them comes out, puts its head in the headcollar and off we go. Even the stresshead will come in last as long as you dont take too long.

Ploughing through muddy gateways, with other peoples horses barging around just annoys me. Not being able to bring in half an hour early, without texting and waiting for an owner to arrive, would also piss me off. Cant help it, it just would.

I'm not making excuses for the others, they should not have left the OPs boy. But I'm not surprised they want him out of the field.
 
Having seen your previous thread, it sounds like there are some spiteful people at your yard. I would move yards as this type of person may end up taking it out on your horse.
 
Jeez it wouldnt of done them any harm to bring ur horse in too! How can fellow horse owners do this? Clearly not horse lovers! Everyone needs a helping hand sometimes for the sake of 2min job!
 
to be fair i agree- a meeting with YO and field mates is in order so everyone can put their point across and the problem sorted.
 
rockysmum said:
What she also hasn't said is how far the field is.

My field is about 10 yards from the stables. Others have a very long walk. I wouldn't want to do it twice. I also hate bringing other peoples horses in, probably as I'm getting older and slower.

Mine are trained, I open the gate and one of them comes out, puts its head in the headcollar and off we go. Even the stresshead will come in last as long as you dont take too long.

Ploughing through muddy gateways, with other peoples horses barging around just annoys me. Not being able to bring in half an hour early, without texting and waiting for an owner to arrive, would also piss me off. Cant help it, it just would.

I'm not making excuses for the others, they should not have left the OPs boy. But I'm not surprised they want him out of the field.
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Field is (max) one minute's walk from yard. He isn't barge-y . . . he is the least dominant horse in the field. You would want him out of the field why?

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It sounds like they don't like your horse being turned out with theirs. Phrases like playful, stressy trashing rugs, play fighting etc ring alarm bells with me. One of our geldings was like that and for his own and the safety of other horses he then had to be turned out on his own.
At the end of the day our horses are precious to us and things like play fighting can result in catastrophic injuries. I don't think I would like my horse turned out with yours either. I think the other owners are making it difficult for you in order to get you to move.
At the end of the day the yard owner cannot force them to bring your horse in or be bound to a specific time table.
 
At the end of the day the yard owner cannot force them to bring your horse in or be bound to a specific time table.
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But it would be kind to do so. Is no-one kind any more? Will people only bring in other horses if they are paid to do so? If so, I find it quite sad. :(

I could be wrong, but the way I read it, the FM's have a problem with PS and are taking it out on the horse.
 
PolarSkye said:
You would want him out of the field why?

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As I said it makes horse owning hard work. I know because when we got the stressy warmblood I found it a total pain compared to the ease of having my other two, and she is mine.

It might not seem much to you, but when I have had a busy day I just want to get them done, not faff around worrying about someone elses horse.

If I just owned the stressy one I would have her on bring in and let the yard sort things out. I really think that would be the way forward for you, even if it means a yard move.

I know from previous posts you tried to swap fields and couldn't get anyone to do so. Does that not tell you something? It might not be that others dont want to go in your field, but that other owners dont want the hassle of your horse in their fields.
 
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