abler products

ycbm said:
I don't forget it at all. Unlicensed. Illegal.

Adulterated? Depends on your definition of that word. The only adulteration identified by the FDA was 10% less in the dose than advertised, which is still within the therapeutic index for effective use for that particular drug. That's a trading standards nicety, not a safety issue.
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'Legalisation would allow testing and quality control and, better monitoring of users who cause themselves harm '

My attention was brought to this quote which I assume you completely agree with!
 
ester said:
The thing is I don't think we have that many people who have used it, or will say they have used it on the forum, which is why I suggested elsewhere.
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I dont think there will with people commenting /bullying people who ask a genuine questions and turning it into something it was not.

The posters obviously have some issue with each other / abler and i dont blame anyone for not wanting to get dragged into their debate. Shame really as the point of forums is to ask questions, share experiences and information etc...


I also suspect after reading pages on facebook like Horse Ulcer Treatment and Information and Horses with Ulcer that there will be many more people than you think on here that have used them.

Just for anyone reading i have ordered the product from the UK (on the recommendation of others) and got them the next day. I have been using them and my horse is already showing signs of improvement! good luck to anyone struggling with their horses ulcers and in my opinion the products are definitely worth a try
 
popsdosh said:
'Legalisation would allow testing and quality control and, better monitoring of users who cause themselves harm '

My attention was brought to this quote which I assume you completely agree with!
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Of course.

Is there a single case where a horse has been caused harm by abler products?

I don't count them 'not working' after one cycle and Gastrogard then working after one, as many horses need prolonged treatment. My friend's a horse has had three rounds of licenced ulcer meds and is seemingly incurable. I also don't count any cases before the tablets and granules were enteric coated as they are now.

If you can point me to harm caused, I'll never use their products again.
 
have to say i know LOADS of people using Abler and no horses have ever had a bad reaction to it and it definitely works as demonstrated by the many horses known personally to me that improve on it, deteriorate off it etc.

whether its illegal to import or not, wont stop me using it, i couldnt afford the alternative long term!
 
ycbm said:
Of course.

Is there a single case where a horse has been caused harm by abler products?

I don't count them 'not working' after one cycle and Gastrogard then working after one, as many horses need prolonged treatment. My friend's a horse has had three rounds of licenced ulcer meds and is seemingly incurable. I also don't count any cases before the tablets and granules were enteric coated as they are now.

If you can point me to harm caused, I'll never use their products again.
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What about testing and QC?
 
Hallo2012 said:
have to say i know LOADS of people using Abler and no horses have ever had a bad reaction to it and it definitely works as demonstrated by the many horses known personally to me that improve on it, deteriorate off it etc.

whether its illegal to import or not, wont stop me using it, i couldnt afford the alternative long term!
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Sorry if you have to use long term you should be looking at your management rather than using drugs. More and more is getting known of the long term disadvantages which is why they are prescription meds.
 
I do always worry about those using them long term, and wonder if the stomach just upregulates in response?
 
ycbm said:
Because the difference is hundreds of pound a week and thousands of people use it worldwide and there isn't, I think, a single report of a problem with any horse that's been given it. I've had two horses on Abler drugs myself many years ago and I know of plenty that are on them right now.
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There can’t be any “reports” of adverse reactions, because there is no one to report them to as the product is unlicensed in the UK...

If your horse did have an adverse reaction, you would have absolutely no come back, no recompense, and it would be entirely upon your own head... and potentially invalidate any insurance you have.
 
Casey76 said:
There can’t be any “reports” of adverse reactions, because there is no one to report them to as the product is unlicensed in the UK...

If your horse did have an adverse reaction, you would have absolutely no come back, no recompense, and it would be entirely upon your own head... and potentially invalidate any insurance you have.
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Of course there can be reports. Anyone who has an adverse reaction would report it on social media, including here. I've never seen one.
 
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ycbm said:
Of course there can be reports. Anyone who has an adverse reaction would report it on social media, including here. I've never seen one.
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I'm not sure everyone would report it, because they would have to be brave enough to potentially face the ramifications of using an unlicenced medication on their horse and they might not feel robust enough for that.
 
ester said:
I'm not sure everyone would report it, because they would have to be brave enough to potentially face the ramifications of using an unlicenced medication on their horse and they might not feel robust enough for that.
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Of course everyone wouldn't report it, but there isn't, after many years of trading, a single report I know of anywhere whatsoever.
 
popsdosh said:
Sorry if you have to use long term you should be looking at your management rather than using drugs. More and more is getting known of the long term disadvantages which is why they are prescription meds.
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to be clear its sucralfate for hind gut issues we use long term and there are so many complicating factors, grass, weather, as well as feed and management but thanks for your concern..................out of all the horses we have had 2 had ulcer issues (both ex racers so more than likely had them from well before we had them) and one died of an auto immune disease of which ulcers were a symptom. all the others are/were fine.

the implications of sucralfate long term are HUGELY different to omeprazole.
 
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