Absolutely furious :(

PolarSkye said:
Apologies for stepping away from the thread, but I needed some time to put things in perspective and sort my head out.

In the cold light of day, I didn't exactly cover myself in glory by being quite so personal about the livery and her horse. I am still very angry and hurt that she would disregard my horse in this way, but it doesn't excuse what I said about her or her mare.

I do, however, stand by my original assertion that I don't (and won't) blame N - she was put in a difficult situation and had to make the best of it. She and I had a long chat this morning and she is now very aware that she is not to hack with this woman under any circumstances. Ever. While my fellow livery behaved in a reckless and thoughtless manner, the fault is still mine for going against my better judgement and letting N hack out with her - it won't happen again.

Pops is actually very sore - pretty much all over - his pectorals are sore, he doesn't want to "lift," and he's stiff behind. It transpires the trot on the road was actually quite lengthy so perhaps he is just feeling rather jarred up and is holding himself accordingly - it won't help that it's been so cold and damp - in any event the physio is due out on Saturday anyway, so I'm hoping she can give him some relief.

I honestly didn't expect this thread to run the way it has . . . but it has been interesting and enlightening reading - and I've learned a valuable lesson about taking a deep breath and not posting when quite so enraged. I should have waited until I was armed with all of the facts AND until I had calmed down . . . and then perhaps not posted at all.

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Really hope Kal is feeling better soon and that no lasting damage has been done. Loving JFTD's baseball bat suggestion!
 
The further information changes nothing for me. If my rider can't make sensible decisions for my horse, particularly in what could and has led to a life or death situation, then I'm afraid they are not riding my horse. The rider did not have to trot. Is Kal the type to refuse to walk behind a trotting horse?

The lady is a right (insert expletive) but she isn't responsible for Kal having been trotted on the road and neither is PS.
 
Mongoose11 said:
The further information changes nothing for me. If my rider can't make sensible decisions for my horse, particularly in what could and has led to a life or death situation, then I'm afraid they are not riding my horse. The rider did not have to trot. Is Kal the type to refuse to walk behind a trotting horse?

The lady is a right (insert expletive) but she isn't responsible for Kal having been trotted on the road and neither is PS.
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In theory, I agree, but in practice....with a horse that has been on restricted work for a long time, it is unrealistic to expect the horse to calmly stay behind in walk when the others go trotting off. A horse should be able to do that, but there are circumstances where it is understandable that a horse be too excited to be safely held behind....safely being for the horse and the rider. Kal is a big and powerful horse and is a lovely lovely boy, but surely we have all been in situations where normally well behaved horses lack a little patience?
 
JJS said:
That's an entirely different situation to the one originally described then, and in those circumstances I too would have been fuming with the other livery. It also explains why N acted as she did. However, on a forum we can only go on what we're told, so people's initial responses to this thread are completely understandable.
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Agreed completely different, well done for sticking up for your friend and hugs to you PS
 
_GG_ said:
In theory, I agree, but in practice....with a horse that has been on restricted work for a long time, it is unrealistic to expect the horse to calmly stay behind in walk when the others go trotting off. A horse should be able to do that, but there are circumstances where it is understandable that a horse be too excited to be safely held behind....safely being for the horse and the rider. Kal is a big and powerful horse and is a lovely lovely boy, but surely we have all been in situations where normally well behaved horses lack a little patience?
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Doesn't change the response that I would expect from my rider which would be a firm no and an attempt not to trot. Did the rider make any such attempt? If not I'm afraid I would not allow that rider back on. Completely irresponsible. Let's say that the rider said a firm no and the ride trotted on anyway, Kal then attempted to go forward in trot and couldn't be held, began to severely object then fair enough, she could have put both of them at risk in that case. To be fair, PS makes it sound like the rider lodged no objection and trotted on because she was unable to speak up. If that is the case, N is not a suitable advocate for the horse and wouldn't be unsupervised in future.
 
Mongoose11 said:
Doesn't change the response that I would expect from my rider which would be a firm no and an attempt not to trot. Did the rider make any such attempt? If not I'm afraid I would not allow that rider back on. Completely irresponsible. Let's say that the rider said a firm no and the ride trotted on anyway, Kal then attempted to go forward in trot and couldn't be held, began to severely object then fair enough, she could have put herself at forthwr risk in that case. To be fair, PS makes it sound like te rider lodged no objection and trotted on because she was unable to speak up. If that is the case, N is not a suitable advocate for the horse and wouldn't be unsupervised in future.
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Like I said, I agree with the theory behind what you are saying, I'm just aware that theory isn't always applicable to real life. PS is being as kind as she can to everyone and trying not to say too much which is why I couldn't resist. From what I know, Kal wasn't happy to stay back when they trotted off and in her situation, I would have done the same as N...I would not pick a fight with a horse going through rehab that didn't belong to me. She was damned if she did and damned if she didn't so whilst I do hear what you're saying and agree in theory, I personally wouldn't say goodbye to a rider that had been so good to date over a situation not of her making that she had to try to make the best of.

I think she was stuck between a rock and a hard place and I feel sorry for her as well.
 
That update changes the story hugely and is completely unacceptable. Personally, I would still expect the rider to be more assertive - I understand that the lady just trotted off but I would expect the rider to keep reiterating the point and to get cross with her if necessary. I hope you have strong words with the lady on the cob PS, I completely understand why you are so angry.
 
Apercrumbie said:
That update changes the story hugely and is completely unacceptable. Personally, I would still expect the rider to be more assertive - I understand that the lady just trotted off but I would expect the rider to keep reiterating the point and to get cross with her if necessary. I hope you have strong words with the lady on the cob PS, I completely understand why you are so angry.
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Yep...and I think probably a big lesson learned!
 
So sorry to hear this PS :( I hope your lovely boy is feeling better soon. One of my pet hates is inconsiderate people on hacks who up the pace either without asking or whilst asking, not waiting for a response. Very inconsiderate and in some cases downright dangerous. I agree with GG - whilst in theory riders and horses should be able to stay behind quietly, in reality it's not always possible. I feel bad for N too - can totally understand her feeling a bit steamrollered as a younger, newer person on the yard.
 
atropa said:
So sorry to hear this PS :( I hope your lovely boy is feeling better soon. One of my pet hates is inconsiderate people on hacks who up the pace either without asking or whilst asking, not waiting for a response. Very inconsiderate and in some cases downright dangerous. I agree with GG - whilst in theory riders and horses should be able to stay behind quietly, in reality it's not always possible. I feel bad for N too - can totally understand her feeling a bit steamrollered as a younger, newer person on the yard.
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But she got a response, she acknowledged it by replying in a dismissive manner and then ignored the response. That's what really baffles/bothers me.

However - I have to share a (very small) yard with this woman and I don't want an atmosphere . . . so I will have to chalk it up to experience. Having it out with her will achieve nothing but an argument. It's not worth it. If she asks why N won't or can't hack with her, I will tell her - politely and firmly.

I'm still angry - but it will pass. My single biggest priority (from a horsey perspective) is doing everything I can to make my boy comfortable. End of.

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Polarsky, what a crap thing to happen. I'd be furious, too.
There is no excuse for utter selfishness and at best, impoliteness. We were taught as children to check before a change of pace with others in the group, and that doesn't mean banging off regardless, especially if the lead rider knew the horse's situation.
Also, slightly bemused at the shooting down in flames for having a (justified) rant. I don't see how your rider could force the woman to walk, while behind her, if she was determined not to listen and I can see how a controlled trot might have been a better option than a stressed bounce along the tarmac. Some people are just inconsiderate. Hope Kal is fine.
 
cinnamontoast said:
Don't know if you've tried turmeric on the boy, PS? It's made a significant difference to my arthritic cob (and me).
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I am seriously considering it . . . I do think his right hock is playing up now - he had surgery on it two years or so ago after a kick in the field that resulted in a puncture wound/infection/flush and I think he's feeling it. I also think that at his age (he's 16 now) and given his upright conformation he could do with some "help." Any ideas/thoughts/advice on how much to administer/where to get it from (the Cucurmin levels scare me), how much to give, etc.?

P
 
Re. Turmeric, mine has 3 heaped teaspoonfuls,and a few grinds of black pepper mixed into his micronised linseed.
For myself, one teaspoonful mixed into a banana smoothie. I get mine from thunderbrook and it has made a difference to both of us.
 
I have the same questions as GG. If your companion trots off in spite of your objection, do you trot after her or hang on to bouncy, upset horse for dear life?

I mean, if it were me, I would like to think that I would be hanging onto bouncy horse while shouting "Motherf&*(er!!" at the top of my lungs, but I probably would not actually do that.
 
Hope your boy is ok soon enough PS :(

As for the others lambasting the rider, I've got the impression from reading PS's other threads that she's quite young, not a middle aged woman and most of us know that it's far easier said than done to confidently say NO when you're effectively dismissed by someone who doesn't sound like she's take a no from anyone who disagreed with her. Give the girl a break, what's she meant to do - have a horse potentially cause more damage by pratting about because he's left behind the others or trot on knowing it's wrong? I'm not sure I'd want to be in that situation on a road riding someone else's horse and I'm fairly happy to speak my mind when it's needed.
 
Poor PS, you seem to get some reactive threads lately! It seems to me that everyone has said what they think (at least once now!) so
Perhaps time to let it drop? She's learned a lesson, chatted to the rider and they will avoid the livery in future.. Job's a goodun! Here's hoping your horse is ok.
 
ozpoz said:
Re. Turmeric, mine has 3 heaped teaspoonfuls,and a few grinds of black pepper mixed into his micronised linseed.
For myself, one teaspoonful mixed into a banana smoothie. I get mine from thunderbrook and it has made a difference to both of us.
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Thank you . . . will get on to Thunderbrook . . . much appreciated. He already gets micronised linseed and Copra so am I right in thinking that I don't need to add extra oil, just pepper?

P
 
Yes, no further oil needed if you feed linseed. :)
I introduced it gradually, but you'd probably do that anyway. I hope it helps with him.
 
I give my arthritic gelding turmeric but get mine from my local Asian supermarket. Look for turmeric that is at least 3% curcumin.

I hope Kal feels better soon. I have been in the same situation as your rider where a young girl I was hacking out with asked to trot which I agreed to but then proceeded to gallop off after two paces of trot! My horse decided he was going too and there was nothing I could do to stop him. I shouted and yelled for this girl to stop but she chose to ignore me until me and my horse parted company. I am a mature, though novice rider not a young girl, but I still couldn't stop what happened.
 
Thunderbrooke is over 3%. Grind fresh pepper into feed. Join the Turmeric User Group on Facebook but read the files on it before asking questions otherwise the scary Aussies have a whinge. It's done me tons of good. My horse had a steroid injection into his offside hock after arthritic changes were seen on the x ray, it worked really well for ages but the turmeric seems to have really helped with his noticeable stiffness. You could also make the paste-cooking it a bit makes it more bioavailable, but not handy if you don't have a fridge at the yard.
 
If you fancy trying it yourself I have bought high strength Curcumin X 4000 from Amazon, pure enough not to need the pepper and oil. In fact they warn you not to take those as well as you are then on a super dose.

For Jay I have Turmeric from ebay, a 25ml (I think) measure twice a day with a few turns of fresh ground pepper, and a squirt of Linseed oil. I feel like Jamie Oliver in the feed room.

I hope your horse is well enough for N to have a nice confidence building ride soon, and for your own peace of mind too.
 
Red-1 said:
If you fancy trying it yourself I have bought high strength Curcumin X 4000 from Amazon, pure enough not to need the pepper and oil. In fact they warn you not to take those as well as you are then on a super dose.

For Jay I have Turmeric from ebay, a 25ml (I think) measure twice a day with a few turns of fresh ground pepper, and a squirt of Linseed oil. I feel like Jamie Oliver in the feed room.

I hope your horse is well enough for N to have a nice confidence building ride soon, and for your own peace of mind too.
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Regardless of purity (and hugely high percentages are strictly to be avoided for animals), you still need the oil and pepper.
 
cinnamontoast said:
Regardless of purity (and hugely high percentages are strictly to be avoided for animals), you still need the oil and pepper.
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I did say that the high strength was only for if PS if she wanted to try it for herself, and my horse is on standard Turmeric, oil and pepper. I am sorry if that is not clear.

I can only heed the warning re the Curcumin X 4000 for humans, to not take the oil. It is the manufacturer who said not to also use the oil and pepper, backed up by other research on the internet. But, other than researching on the internet (including Turmeric Users Group on Facebook) I am no chemist!
 
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