Absolutely gutted! A tale of ignorance...

Hope you find a horse that fits the bill. Can understand why you're walking away. From the posts it seems like you are in an environment where you can't easily get away from her. I've been in a yard with a person like this (also dreadful thief & had husband who never said a word & let her do as she pleased), it is just not worth the agro. The more you can just keep off their radar & do something they have no business interfering in (having her horse she would always have had an opinion & felt the right to stick a beak in) the better things are.

Find a nice horse, enjoy him/her & being around him/her. You have the cash now for a straight purchase so at least this wont happen again.
 
Well, I've just been up to clear the other stable, my hubby had for storage, The big one came galloping over as to say where have you been. Had a look in the stable and only 2 half filled nets and one bucket of water, we have him adhoc haylage which was 2 large jam packed haynets and a manger full which he would have just a small bit left after the night, one thin stable run, we'd had him in 2 as he'd been clipped. But my hubby went to collect the last of the stuff without as it was bring in time and I didn't want to comfront them. He turned the car around and went to speak to the hubby, was exactly word for word what my OH said it would be. He's skint she won't sell the horse because we would have owned more of the horse after the next payment she wouldn't have a say. If she'd only
Left it until this Friday I was going to pay 2 last instalment for him.

Going volunteering at a local equine rescue centre, I need to shovel s**t to stay sane
 
I can understand walking away. However, if the other horse is as thin as the original post makes him sound, I would ring WHW immedietly. People like this drive me crazy, and I have dealt with a few!
 
I would get my money back and walk away. Paying in installments is a bad idea to start with, not vetting is another bad idea, and keeping the horse at the same yard as the previous owners is a VERY bad idea.

You are not entitled to bedding/haylage/whatever costs back surely, as he has been "your horse" while you have been paying for him.

Sorry to be blunt, but this scenario was just a disaster waiting to happen, and you need to be refunded and get out now.

Good luck. x
 
I was always under the impression that a passport isn't proof of ownership, so even if she does have it still it wouldn't stand up?
Agree with amymay even a verbal contract is binding, it's just the witnesses that can be a problem (eg if there aren't any :P) but surely by accepting your payments she's effectively confirming that the agreement was made? I know you've said you're giving up but if this horse is right for you I'd say it's worth the fight.

Good luck, wether you choose to fight or when finding a new horse :)
 
So I'm logging in anon again to drag up this thread. The reason is that they promised to pay us back before Christmas, and they still haven't! We still have the tack as 'insurance'

Went up today to clear out all our stuff before the month end that we had paid for - OMG they still have 1/3 of a bale of haylage left that by our calculations should have been finished almost 2 weeks ago. 'Our' boys stable not mucked out and not a single strand of haylage was left in there... :(

So they backed out of the agreement for us to buy him, they have now nulled the 2nd agreement by not paying us back when they said they would...... WTF do we do if anything?!??

Mince pies and Baileys for those that clicked and read x
 
Keep hold of the tack & get legal advice. Maybe you can get a letter sent from Solicitor saying if they don't pay by certain date you will take them to small claims court. What I did when I was full-time driving instructor on non-payers, all paid on receiving official letter (cost me about £25 a time). Then they will know you are serious. If they don't have money by date then state you will take horse in payment of debt maybe?
 
We are so stuck - do we offer them £600 and say that we will have to move him asap if they accept, do we just transfer the remaining money and take him, passport or no, do we sit back and wait since we know they can't afford him, or do we truly walk away and look for another neddie.....

:(
 
Turn up with a box. Offer them the last payments in cash with one hand while holding out the other for the passport and a receipt. Load the horse and get the hell out of there

I really hope it works out for you one way or the other x
 
What do you feel like doing? :)
I think if I was your position, being owed money and having welfare concerns,I might just do your second option of tranferring the money and taking on horse. I would write stating exactly why you are doing this and give them 2 days to return the full amount owed or forfeit ownership entirely.
I think it is likely they aren't going to pay you back.
It would take some bottle, but to me it seems the only way the outcome could be happy!
Good luck in whatever you decide.
 
WelshD said:
Turn up with a box. Offer them the last payments in cash with one hand while holding out the other for the passport and a receipt. Load the horse and get the hell out of there

I really hope it works out for you one way or the other x
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Thanks WD - we really thought this was done and dusted, we'd been screwed over, we'd be paid back on the 21st Dec, we'd clear out our stuff end of.

It's now the 30th, not been paid back, and to add insult to injury they were using one of our water buckets in the field!!! But that's OK coz all his rugs had been cleaned... ffs - tenner a time to clean a rug vs a fiver for a bucket!

Just so upset :(

He's a big boy, not a good dooer, so needs adlib forage - to see his unmucked out stable stripped of every strand of haylage in there - arrghh - it all just makes me so mad, and has totally ruined my xmas! :(
 
What a grim scenario! Are you BHS members? Their legal dept are very good and very supportive. They helped me front up some highly unpleasant YOs when they said I wasn't allowed on the yard to see my own horse (a very long and unpleasant saga, but I got police involved, plus advice from BHS, and all sorted very quickly).
Plan strategy and act with physical support, if you want this horse, who sounds at risk of neglect atm. WHW referral if not. What is YM doing about all the upset and poor management? Good luck.
 
Withdraw cash... get your bank statments... go to the ym..... inform them of the postion and tell these muppets that they either accept the final payment for the horse or you accompany them to the bank to get your money back.... no ifs ..... no buts.

one or the other, walk horse off the yard if they cant raise the cash and let them sue you...
 
Gutted said:
Thanks WD - we really thought this was done and dusted, we'd been screwed over, we'd be paid back on the 21st Dec, we'd clear out our stuff end of.

It's now the 30th, not been paid back, and to add insult to injury they were using one of our water buckets in the field!!! But that's OK coz all his rugs had been cleaned... ffs - tenner a time to clean a rug vs a fiver for a bucket!

Just so upset :(

He's a big boy, not a good dooer, so needs adlib forage - to see his unmucked out stable stripped of every strand of haylage in there - arrghh - it all just makes me so mad, and has totally ruined my xmas! :(
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My guess is that she don't want to sell but has spent the money and so can't refund.
A muppet.
I'd try taking cash for the last part of what you owe for the horse (assuming you want him) and try to do the deal with the Husband. Does she go to work at all? Or take kids to school? Or maybe you could catch the Hubby in the pub?
I doubt you'll get the money back without debt collectors/bailifs and it could take months/years, at least if you can complete the sale you'll have something.
 
just had to say,. i really wouldnt transfer the balance of the remaining money to their bank account on the off chance and then decide he's yours since you'll be most likely throwing good money after bad and it wont help you be acknowledged as the legal owner if the owners dont want to sell since the only real paperwork that says you are the horse's owner is a receipt.

what a b*** of a situation for you!

think it might be the small claims court to get the money you have already paid back. Do try to reason with them though.

best of luck.
 
lastchancer said:
My guess is that she don't want to sell but has spent the money and so can't refund.
A muppet.
I'd try taking cash for the last part of what you owe for the horse (assuming you want him) and try to do the deal with the Husband. Does she go to work at all? Or take kids to school? Or maybe you could catch the Hubby in the pub?
I doubt you'll get the money back without debt collectors/bailifs and it could take months/years, at least if you can complete the sale you'll have something.
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No as far as I know she doesn't work, and the horse actually belongs to him.

Yes we would have to see one or the other of them on the school run :(

We've been upfront, honest and paid on time..... feels like we've also been screwed over :(
 
1a. Submit a claim to small claims court and allow the legal process to recover your money. Do not confront these nutters yourself (neither of you) it is not worth the angst. Or,

1b. If you have the funds, get a solicitor to to write them a threatening letter in the New Year and make threats on you behalf. Again, do not confront them yourselves. And,

2. Stay away from the crazies! Seriously life is so much easier and happier when you do this. When buying you next horse, if the owner/trainer/whoever shows the slightest sign of crazy, walk away.

Hope this helps
 
I would plan this carefully. 1. Take proper legal advice. Shop around and check what you will get in terms if time and costs.. Your objective is to have your legal rights confirmed and put in writing. Have a legal document drawn up or ask for a guideline to the wording. The letter should in summary confirm the original deal, the amount given, the fact that monies were not returned at the agreed time and therefore you are paying the final sum of x as agreed. Please DO get this properly validated. I am being logical, I am not a solicitor. I would also ask your solicitor if it would be worth lodging a copy with the police in case they get called in for theft and a copy for the YO. I would definately find another yard! I would talk to the husband, you can emphasise with him, say you can understand he may struggle to return the money and here is the way out. You pay the remainder, he signs a receipt confirming full ownership and that the entire balance has been paid. Passport is not a document showing ownership. I would suspect you will find it hard to get the passport from the original owners. Again an outside guess, but if you know the society the horse is registered with,,could you also prepare a letter for the owner to sign, stating that the passport has been lost, he confirms transfer of ownership and you send that and a copy of the receipt to get a new one. You could check with the passport office if that would be acceptable,

Good luck!
 
The only small flaw in the above excellent statement is that the crazies tend not to have a placard worn at all times to advertise this! I haven't, anyway . . .
 
Horrible situation

But i would always be warey that the owner would take horse back until the pappers are signed.

Did you say she would let you full loan his as long as you kept him how she wants?
Will she still sell eventually?

Maybe hang in there, suck up to them and they may decide to sell him to you any way.
 
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What a nightmare, I would definitely not transfer money and take the horse though, that's kind of stealing. Did the horse actually look poor?

I think one last attempt at reasoning with them if you still want to buy the horse, probably best not to mention your welfare concerns when trying to do that as they have already been defensive! Give them a little time to think about it and then hit them with solicitors, court, welfare case, whatever you've got!

If you buy him, try to avoid them finding out which yard you're on or I suspect you won't hear the end of it!
 
Burmilla said:
The only small flaw in the above excellent statement is that the crazies tend not to have a placard worn at all times to advertise this! I haven't, anyway . . .
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Ah, then you have a learning goal for the New Year! Figure out what type of crazy you tend to attract (yes, we all attract a certain type of crazy). Figure out which of the people you know fit into that type of crazy. Then hit the delete button!

I have just spent all year doing that, and I can't tell you how much better my life is already. :D
 
Gutted said:
No, it was a verbal agreement stupid I know :(

Don't have the energy to fight her, just as long as we get what we paid THEM back.

Well she has bipolar as do I, so she may regret it in time, but unless they sell to us outright it's not a situation I can cope with
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"it was a verbal agreement" In fact a verbal agreement is as legally binding as a written contract. It's just more difficult to enforce unless you have independent witnesses to the spoken agreement.

In retrospect, what you should have done is threaten her with the RSPCA. Whilst they are totally useless, the law has altered recently and they can (if they can be bothered) act in cases of ill-treatment which isn't actually life-threatening.
 
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