advice needed - horse vetting failed

Would love to see a picture but it definitely wont change my mind! I think you'd be buying yourself a huge pile of grief to be honest.
 
cavalo branco said:
In the end I did buy a youngster - was he a Pre? No, an Irish Draft :rolleyes: :rolleyes:He has lovely paces and looks quite Andalusian, strangely-is there Iberian blood way back in ID's, I wonder? He is so sensible and quick to learn. Good luck with your decision though :)
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Strange you should say that. There was some DNA testing and they did find iberian DNA in certain ID bloodlines. The thought was that it came back from the time of the Spanish Armada. Here is a photo of my previous boy who I thought always looked as if he had some iberian blood in him, though his full green passport says otherwise.

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/picture.php?albumid=1274&pictureid=12228

Actually I would get the british vet to vet the horse properly for you but I would firstly show this video to your local vet and see what he says - if he thinks its worth looking more carefully, then progress to vetting. I do know importing PRE's is not a cheap exercise and at the very least, if there is something that be cleared up but needs work, that can be reflected in the price and if the vet fails him, you won't be always suffering from wishful thinking. At the moment, it is based on peoples view of the video..
 
My vets have seen the videos Luci07. They agreed he wasn't quite right in left hind but said nothing that should stop me looking at him further.

We did talk about them going to spain and doing the vetting but far too expensive, so I can not afford it :(

The vet in the area of the horse is recommended though, she is british, and the agent doesn't use her (although knows her) so that is a good thing.
 
I wouldn't... my horse started off with a intermittent unlevelness then progressed to a one tenth lameness in one hind, 6 months down the line he has been diagnosed with PSD in all 4 legs. It's still very mild and most people can't tell, even a farrier ( not my own ). He's 5. Prognosis light hack at most.

Not saying this horse has PSD or anything, but subtle lameness's can be nothing or potentially very serious so just an example.

It's also stressful and costly and I have a horse which is basically an expensive pet.
 
pinklilly said:
I wouldn't... my horse started off with a intermittent unlevelness then progressed to a one tenth lameness in one hind, 6 months down the line he has been diagnosed with PSD in all 4 legs. It's still very mild and most people can't tell, even a farrier ( not my own ). He's 5. Prognosis light hack at most.

Not saying this horse has PSD or anything, but subtle lameness's can be nothing or potentially very serious so just an example.

It's also stressful and costly and I have a horse which is basically an expensive pet.
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Pinklilly - my current PRE had PSD! mainly RH but was in LH as well. He had the operation and yes very upsetting. I practically rescued him so him going for a operation was dreadful for me as he is so scared of everyone and everything and I knew it would be horrible for him. He did however, cope amazingly well and is now out competing at dressage successfully.
 
I tried a horse I really liked recently, and it failed the vet through being 1/10 lame. Owner wouldn't budge on price, and wasn't prepared to investigate, so I walked away. It's a no brainer to me! And that's on a horse I'd sat on and knew I liked. You don't know this horse is perfect for you, you think he is from some vids, so you've built him up to be in your head. You might have hated him to ride when you got there.
 
Why not ask them to send you a video in a weeks time to see if it is ok, it may have just tweeked itself? Not going to hurt? x If its still not right then walk away, if it looks better......have a look further? x :D
 
lcharles said:
Why not ask them to send you a video in a weeks time to see if it is ok, it may have just tweeked itself? Not going to hurt? x If its still not right then walk away, if it looks better......have a look further? x :D
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Nothing to stop them giving it two bute the night before they make the video.
 
lcharles said:
Why not ask them to send you a video in a weeks time to see if it is ok, it may have just tweeked itself? Not going to hurt? x If its still not right then walk away, if it looks better......have a look further? x :D
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Yes that is a very good point! I might just do that. When my vet (UK) asked to see a lunging video they went and did it for me straight away in Spain (so no time for bute in that case!).
 
Unfortunately people are amazingly devious, I've heard of someone deliberately putting a nail in the white line in a shoe on a sound leg to make the horse equally lame on both hind legs so it wouldn't be spotted by a buyer - I am super cynical tho!
So many stories on here of people who've been caught out by corrupt sellers do take care - it costs as much to keep a lame horse as a sound one unfortunately
 
Yes I would like to see a picture :D

But I would walk away too. Have you seen and ridden this horse already? Did you notice any stiffness at the time?
 
But any horse you see/ride/try/lunge etc anywhere in the world could have bute in its system and you will never know without bloods tested x

I'd ask for a second video, if it seems ok then i'd go see it and get it vetted if you still like it x
 
Polos mum that is so awful, how can some people call themselves animal people :(

Wheels not yet, I got the vet to check out behind first as cheaper to do that first than flying me and my trainer out! trainer happy to go and look but she really isn't keen on him at all. She thinks once he is in the UK and we work him properly something will show up.
 
lcharles said:
But any horse you see/ride/try/lunge etc anywhere in the world could have bute in its system and you will never know without bloods tested x

I'd ask for a second video, if it seems ok then i'd go see it and get it vetted if you still like it x
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I have asked for more videos which they did for me. He was better in the second video which was about 3 weeks after the first video.

I would just like to point out I can not really see it! it is that subtle. I can see it when he does piaffe/passage as he does struggle with the LH more. HOWEVER he is NOT established in this, so in my view they should have left that off the video anyway! plus, when a horse is learning it wont always be perfect......just my opinion.
 
If you really want the horse and his type is that rare then I would get him vetted by the lady vet you wrote about - I would also defo get xrays done too if he is that expensive.

You said though (unless I am reading incorrectly) that he is a stallion that you wanted to breed from but his conformation is not as good as your other?? Surely breeding stock should be of the highest quality?
 
mcnaughty said:
If you really want the horse and his type is that rare then I would get him vetted by the lady vet you wrote about - I would also defo get xrays done too if he is that expensive.

You said though (unless I am reading incorrectly) that he is a stallion that you wanted to breed from but his conformation is not as good as your other?? Surely breeding stock should be of the highest quality?
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what x rays would I do to make sure the LH is ok? I have never done x rays before!

No no no, for showing not breeding :) but yes he does not have as good conformation as my other one! hmmmm I probably sound crazy now....wanting to buy a horse that is not as good as my other one. I need to explain, my other one I can not ride, he is super hot, he is in training now, BUT I can show him still, as most showing in spanish is in hand, so that is fine. He does really well. This new one would prob not do too well BUT if I can ride him I would use him for dressage more than showing, as have other one for that.
 
Fizz06 said:
Plenty of PREs for sale in the UK....
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^^^^^this

TBH I would never ever buy one already backed in Spain, you would have to totally retrain him in the basics and tricks, once learned, are very difficult to undo!

Would not touch with a bargepole regardless of what the agent and owner say! Softy tissue injury can be just (or in some cases even more) as difficult to deal with as bony injury.
 
Your vet would advise on xrays, but I know a good friend of mine had xrays done of most of leg as she was spending £10K on a nag. Turned out to be a nag too with badly degrading fetlock joints. It was only 6! Xrays are really not that expensive. Pretty sure I paid £20 ish per shot last time I had to - about 6 months ago.
 
I think you really know the answer!

Don't buy him. There will be others.

You say his conformation is no way as good as your other horse so why buy a PRE with conformation errors - you already think he is unsound.

I suggest you keep looking, buy a young one that hasn'r been pressured to work

Are there none born and bred in the UK?
 
Amaranta said:
^^^^^this

TBH I would never ever buy one already backed in Spain, you would have to totally retrain him in the basics and tricks, once learned, are very difficult to undo!

Would not touch with a bargepole regardless of what the agent and owner say! Softy tissue injury can be just (or in some cases even more) as difficult to deal with as bony injury.
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Well there are not many for sale here, I am in touch with most of the studs and mainly they have babies! I can't ride a colt so that is no use to me ;)
There are a few stallions/geldings here but VERY limited choice.


Well the reason I like this one is that it is not being trained the spanish way! he is being trained the english way (although rider still a little to 'handy' for my liking but is in a snaffle and gives rein etc....). So not half as bad as most. This is partly why i like him. No re-training needed (ish).
 
I haven't read the whole thread... However just from the first page, he isn't a patch on your current horse conformation wise, he's lame and expensive- and you need to undo training.

One of those would make me think twice. All of them together?
 
Tnavas said:
I think you really know the answer!

Don't buy him. There will be others.

You say his conformation is no way as good as your other horse so why buy a PRE with conformation errors - you already think he is unsound.

I suggest you keep looking, buy a young one that hasn'r been pressured to work

Are there none born and bred in the UK?
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Yes I suppose but my horse has very good conformation and to get that again is VERY costly. I bought my current one cheap-ER because he was so nervous, otherwise he would have been really expensive as very well bred too. So to get something riding/older I will have to compromise on something.

Yes there are UK bred ones, but for sale mainly babies and I don't want a colt or filly :p

Some older ones but not my type, they seem to be very different when bred here! not as spanish looking.
 
SpanishNeddy said:
Well there are not many for sale here, I am in touch with most of the studs and mainly they have babies! I can't ride a colt so that is no use to me ;)
There are a few stallions/geldings here but VERY limited choice.


Well the reason I like this one is that it is not being trained the spanish way! he is being trained the english way (although rider still a little to 'handy' for my liking but is in a snaffle and gives rein etc....). So not half as bad as most. This is partly why i like him. No re-training needed (ish).
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Sorry but teaching him piaffe and passage badly is not the english way. The mere fact that he damaged himself (whether permanently or not) is testimony to the fact that he was a) not ready and/or b) not conformationally up to it. A snaffle does not guarantee correct training!

If you want to do dressage you HAVE to have a horse up to the work and good conformation normally goes hand in hand with that.
 
Amaranta said:
Sorry but teaching him piaffe and passage badly is not the english way. The mere fact that he damaged himself (whether permanently or not) is testimony to the fact that he was a) not ready and/or b) not conformationally up to it. A snaffle does not guarantee correct training!

If you want to do dressage you HAVE to have a horse up to the work and good conformation normally goes hand in hand with that.
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Yes very good point and I agree BUT he is being ridden better than 90% of others I see trust me! but yes they have totally rushed him with the piaffe/passage. I agree and it drives me mad, they want to even teach that before the horse is perfected in the walk / trot / canter! just the way it is over there for most sale horses unfortunately.
 
SpanishNeddy said:
Yes there are UK bred ones, but for sale mainly babies and I don't want a colt or filly :p

Some older ones but not my type, they seem to be very different when bred here! not as spanish looking.
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You can always geld a colt!

I really really really disagree with your last sentence (as an accredited Iberian judge I feel I can!) I have two British bred and two imported - my older British bred looks more Spanish than either of the imported ones!
 
Do you know what, if you really want him then you should buy him :)

I never ask others opinions when buying horses, it's such an individual decision. If he ends up lame then you will have to deal with it, but if he doesn't then you will be one happy lady. I'm all for taking risks; lets face it, buying any horse is a risk.
 
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