Advice needed urgently

Does sound like the person breaking her is a bit clueless and bad attitude aint gonna get you help is it
 
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I have come on here for some help not to have the Piss took out of the situation - what a friendly bunch you lot are!!!

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Actually, people on this forum are extremly helpful and knowlegable!

We didnt know what you meant. People use different terms. So what if someone cracked a joke and people laughed at it?! God forbid people have a sense of humour!

I am sure someone will answer your query, no need to be so defensive

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no1 is taking the piss were we having a laugh, i personally did not know what you meant you asked for help we are trying to help, but if you are happy for you're horse to have that done then that you'r choice. but just think about the otherways to teach her or look around and see what other trainers think.

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Apparently so I have been told the meaning of swinging your foal is when it is a foal tie it up and let it hang itself so it respects being tied up. She says that because she has not been swung as soon as she goes to get on her she will go over?????

I do hope people will help answer my query rather than turn this is in to a joke!!!!

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OMG...that sounds barbaric......get your horse away from this mentalist immediately......FFS how is hanging a foal by the neck from its leadrops a good start in life??

......some people......
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I think what she means is that the person backing doesn't know what she's doing and the OP was aggressive in her response when people were trying to help but didn't understand what swinging was.

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it's a barbaric outdated practice, as others have mentioned, basically consisting of tying up a foal with a headcoller & chain or strong rope and letting them struggle until they give up.

Damage can be seriously done to foals and I would imagine even worse at the age of 3, where they have more strength & will fall harder.

I would remove your horse asap.
 
I have heared of horses doing lots of damage to their necks and back by this out of date method in my opinion move your horse ASAP
 
i think you should take your horse somewhere else as you have doubts and this swinging thing sounds very strange and dubious.
There are many trainers but you only have one youngster
 
Swung is a old fashioned practice which I don't think is still used much, its when a foal....once its been weaned and handled etc is swung onto the ground by man (on the grass/or bedded stable), basically your showing the foal that you are boss and have strength and control to bring it down, its not to hurt the foal but I more of shock tactic process as they recon they remember and always back down man, its when foals are getting bit too silly and need bringing down a peg or two, it was quite a common thing to do back in the old days, call it old school training if you like.

As for your other query, a 3yr old should be handled well and have established his ground work before being broken into saddle/harness, otherwise putting ropes and various breaking equipment on them will be extremely scary and no wonder the horse is breaking free and snapping things.

Sounds a bit dodgy from the short description you have given, take the horse back, and send it somewhere where they will take things a step at time, and put the necessary work in before slapping a harness on.

Makes no difference now if the foal had been swung or not.
 
I have taken my 3 year olds, that have never been touched before off the fields and then started to break them. These horses were never swung as foals
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, they were born on the fields and some of them never touched to at least 2-3 yrs of age. Can i just say one thing if i was to send my 3yr old to a person who is supposed to be experienced
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only to have them say that the animal wasn't swung as a foal and that it is breaking all harness as soon as you put it on i would get my horse out of there as quick as possible.
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I have never heard such a load of old bull in my entire life, when you break a horse you take the time to familiarise the animal to straps / harness etc. You don't just bung the lot on and then tie the horse up and expect it to accept whats going on
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, especially because this so called expert has said the horse wasn't swung as a foal. Never heard so much S**T in all my life.
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I have taken my 3 year olds, that have never been touched before off the fields and then started to break them. These horses were never swung as foals
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, they were born on the fields and some of them never touched to at least 2-3 yrs of age. Can i just say one thing if i was to send my 3yr old to a person who is supposed to be experienced
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only to have them say that the animal wasn't swung as a foal and that it is breaking all harness as soon as you put it on i would get my horse out of there as quick as possible.
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I have never heard such a load of old bull in my entire life, when you break a horse you take the time to familiarise the animal to straps / harness etc. You don't just bung the lot on and then tie the horse up and expect it to accept whats going on
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, especially because this so called expert has said the horse wasn't swung as a foal. Never heard so much S**T in all my life.
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ditto, I just couldnt be bothered to type it all out, but yes that is what I thought.
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'Swinging' foals is pretty old school. I know of some old cob boys that still do it in west wales..it might help them respect the rope but there are other better ways of doing so! It's generally only done by the type of people that run their horses wild on the hill then herd them, catch them, swing them and take them to mart! -thats from what I've seen anyway. I can't think that anyone would want to do that to their horse nowadays.
Has the horse been handled throughout it's life? If so I really can't see that anyone would need to do that even if they thought it was OK to do. The horse needs patience and time. I agree with everyone else that you should probably take your horse elsewhere!
People are generally a friendly bunch on here by the way.
 
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it's a barbaric outdated practice, as others have mentioned, basically consisting of tying up a foal with a headcoller & chain or strong rope and letting them struggle until they give up.

Damage can be seriously done to foals and I would imagine even worse at the age of 3, where they have more strength & will fall harder.

I would remove your horse asap.

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This is the correct definition, not swinging ropes near them...

Its VERY old fashioned, my Dad listened to someone spouting about this years ago and repeated it asking why I hadn't swung my foal - I went off it with him!

Their is a worse part that was an old custom in the US called "sacking out" which went with swinging a foal, not only would you tie said foal with a thick rope or chain to a post or tree, but you'd then scare the living sh!t out of it by waving a sack at it and making it panic more.

I have a foal that was taught to stand tied at 6 months old. I tied a length of bandage through a tie up ring, and put the end of the lead rope through it, bit didn't tie it. Foal walked around, realised he was tied, and munched his hay. The next time there was no haynet as a distraction, and I tied him to the bandage, he tried to follow me round the stable, because the bandage stretched, he didn't panic as it "gave" when he pulled, but again he realised he couldn't stroll about and just stood tied with no fuss.

Thats how you teach them, not by trying to break their necks and legs.

Echo everyone else, get your horse back!
 
My advice in agreement with what many others have said - move horse as trainer sounds worryingly dated or unknowledgable. I've just broken my filly and can assure you she was never swung - (is that the correct past tense!!!)
 
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LHS.. Welshcobs post was only put up an hour ago -unless my computer is lying to me- give them some time! They could be making a cup of tea, doing their horses or on the loo!

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Usually.....when the wave of advice is unanimous like this, its something the OP doesnt want to hear.....so never responds....
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I am reliably informed that this is still done with the heavies, barbaric and unncesary, firm sensible handling from the beginning is much more productive.
 
take the horse elsewhere !!

I must say i do tend to tie my babies up well not exactly tie but

tie mummy up then thread leadrope of baby through bailing twine while grooming etc if baby pulls back leadrope threads through i just pull it back the other way and ask them to stand while i carry on they soon get the hang of it !!

I would never tie them up though and just leave them !
 
right dont lose your cool, tbf the people on here generally didnt have a clue as to what swinging a foal was, now this is for one reason and one reason only, its a seriously old fashioned dangerous procedure that, now that we are more educated, can be done very differently without either breaking the horses neck, pulling pelvis alignment, giving horse a heart attack, freaking it out so bad that you dont need to tie the bugga up because you cant get within 6 miles of it as it now hates humans!


My opinion would be to ask that it is not swung and pick said horse up and work on it at home!!!
 
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