ADVICE PLEASE ..IM BEEN CONNED !!

OK, so for people who don't like like the pts option which is what I'd go for in this situation, here's a few more suggestions...

Keep the horse. Have lots of fun watching it eat grass and brushing it for the next ? number of years. Fine if that's what you want, pretty naf if you want to ride. It wouldn't be for me.

Keep the horse. Spend a lot of money trying to get it right (and I expect one or two people have already had a try at this before sending a well broken, all-round horse to a sales) and either be extremely lucky and have it work or, more likely, be faced with the same dilemma and less cash in a year or two's time.

Try to get a refund from the dealer. In which case said dealer will just put somebody else and the horse in the same situation that you are in next time they manage to sell it. ETA If you really had been conned, this is what I'd be tempted to go for, but IMO the circumstances you bought in mean you really took your chances.

Put it back in the sales for whatever money you can get (which is unlikely to be much of a budget for buying another horse). This also puts somebody else and the horse in the same situation whoever buys it next although if the buyer pays less and is more savvy than you at least they wouldn't be losing out so much. The horse is just as screwed though, really, isn't it?
 
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BBW said:
NO you have NOT been conned, you bought a horse outside the ring, More Fool You. Said horse is fooked, kindest thing is PTS. Am I heartless, no just realistic and can't abide people who think that keeping horses going, despite what may be wrong with them, is right. Put horse out of its misery and don't been so trusting next time.
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I hope you never find yourself with a horse that can live perfectly happy left in a field to retire as you would obviously pts, lets hope that you are not on the recieving end of this attitude as you get older and less mobile! Horses are not there just to work hard for you then be sold on just because thay no longer fit the bill, if a suitable home cannot be found it is your duty as their current owner to do the best for them surely. Obviously you have seen and examined said horse as you KNOW it needs pts?
 
jhoward said:
people see it differently. would you keep a dog going that was lame and having breathing problems, if it was going to cost you hundrends a year. and of course the animal was in pain? no of course you wouldnt.

its not sad its reality.
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If the dog or any other animal was happy and not in pain or unacceptable discomfort then yes I would keep it. We are all different but all my animals and I have quite a few would be given the chance of a comfortable life. I chose to have them I have to care for them, thats the deal.
 
I think its one thing being happy to retire horses youve had a while, and another to have a horse a couple of days and be faced with a field ornament for however many years in the future, with a brand new horse.
 
My friend was conned and ended up with a broken ex racer.
She loves it dearly and would have been perfectly happy brushing it for the next however many years. But she invested some money and it's being sent away to be re-backed professionally.
There's also plenty of things you can do without riding. You don't have to stick to brushing!! You can do bombproofing (which is really fun!) or horse agility or several other things. I thought only riding was fun, until I discovered all these games you could play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afa0b81tGPQ
 
Crugeran Celt said:
I hope you never find yourself with a horse that can live perfectly happy left in a field to retire as you would obviously pts, lets hope that you are not on the recieving end of this attitude as you get older and less mobile! Horses are not there just to work hard for you then be sold on just because thay no longer fit the bill, if a suitable home cannot be found it is your duty as their current owner to do the best for them surely. Obviously you have seen and examined said horse as you KNOW it needs pts?
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I really enjoyed reading all your comments Crugeran Celt - well said! I feel exactly the same as you do about my horses.

The only thing I have at the back of my mind is that this person won't have bonded with the horse yet, she's spent a lot of money on it and to be fair, although I don't think PTS should be the first option without further investigation, I don't think she's duty bound to keep the horse. I think I would be using solicitors and going through the courts. Although she has no record of how the seller explained the horse verbally, she should have, or will be able to get a copy of the sale catalogue from the auction where it is described. I appreciate that the horse wasn't sold via the auction, but the description in the catalogue will prove an element of dishonesty.
 
jhoward said:
people see it differently. would you keep a dog going that was lame and having breathing problems, if it was going to cost you hundrends a year. and of course the animal was in pain? no of course you wouldnt.

its not sad its reality.
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My dog has cost us thousands a year and my cat cost us hundreds in just a few months. Sadly the cat was in too much pain and we had to end her suffering. The dog, however is on pills which prevent her (or at least make it much more unlikely) from having another stroke. She's been for so many vet visits I've lost count, but she's very happy in herself and not in pain, so we'll continue to keep her going until it looks like she might be starting to go down hill.
 
Buying and selling horses is a risky business. If I were you I would try and make the most of the horse you have bought, providing there is nothing seriously wrong from a medical point of view.
Don't feel too bad about buying outside the ring, lots do it.
Vetting is ok but if something shows up later the vet will claim, that it was ok on the day of the vetting
As I say, make the most of the horse you've bought. Don't waste time or more money chasing the seller, he's watertight.
 
Pale Rider said:
If I were you I would try and make the most of the horse you have bought, providing there is nothing seriously wrong from a medical point of view.
Don't feel too bad about buying outside the ring, lots do it.
Vetting is ok but if something shows up later the vet will claim, that it was ok on the day of the vetting
As I say, make the most of the horse you've bought. Don't waste time or more money chasing the seller, he's watertight.
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I don't agree.
 
Thank you all for your positive and negative replies .

l have managed to have a nice chat with the vendor of the horse this morning ,and am pleased to say HES GOING BACK THIS AFTERNOON !!

i am getting a refund ,less his expenses ,and im now relieved and probably in many of your eyes LUCKY

silly -yes
troll-no

once again thank you all
 
Naturally said:
For the purposes of helping you, sold in the car park and at your yard are the same thing - i.e. not through the auction house, so you don't have any comback from them. If the horse had not been as described, and you bought through the ring, there is a possibility the auction house would have taken it back and refunded you. That's why people are saying this.

Not everyone is as honest and kind hearted as you, as you have found out. Whatever the moral position is, I suspect that in your situation you the buyer is responsible for ensuring the horse is as described and fit for purpose, and I doubt you will be able to get anywhere pursuing the vendor unfortunately. But hey, neither I nor most of the people on this forum are the experts, so go with the advice you have had from the professionals - BHS legal team, the equine solicitor, whatever - not from a forum where every unqualified to comment tom dick and harry has their say. ;)



A degenerative joint disease and a serious problem with the respiratory system is quite a disabling combination. I worry for you that you may spend a lot more money trying to put this horse right, only to end up with a paddock ornament at the end of it. That is why a lot of people are suggesting you put to sleep straight away - to avoid a lot more heartache and throwing good money after bad. Again, we aren't actually in a position to make an expert judgement on this, so please act on the advice of your vet, and discuss all options and all the costs and prognoses with them. My gut feeling is that somebody else has already come to the end of the road trying to help this horse, wasn't brave enough to make the decision to PTS themself or wanted to "give the horse another chance" by palming the horse's not inconsiderable problems and treatment costs on someone else - its a pretty common reason to want to take an otherwise nice horse to an auction.

Please talk to the professionals on how to go forward. I'm sure we can help if you would like some suggestions as to the kind of information you need to find out in order to proceed.
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Finally. Someone giving the OP a reasoned, articulate and helpful response.

Goodness, it feels like the median age on this thread is about 12 judging by all the catty, hasty, judgmental replies.

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magoodle said:
Thank you all for your positive and negative replies .

l have managed to have a nice chat with the vendor of the horse this morning ,and am pleased to say HES GOING BACK THIS AFTERNOON !!

i am getting a refund ,less his expenses ,and im now relieved and probably in many of your eyes LUCKY

silly -yes
troll-no

once again thank you all
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I'm very glad you are getting a refund . . . lesson learned perhaps? However, I do wonder what will happen to this horse now. Some other unsuspecting person will doubtless fall prey to this (in light of this thread) unscrupulous vendor . . . and the horse will continue to be passed around.

Sad really.

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marydoll said:
Out of all the replies the op has had only a few blunt ones,so i dont agree with this comment, most have simply stated she made a classic error in the way she bought, and will struggle to get her money back, thats not having a go, thats answering her post.
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Well clearly I disagree, and others have commented too about the harsh replies...including the OP.

OP - glad its worked out, I feel sorry for the horse but I agree that its a big ask to take on a horse you have known for 2 minutes who is not fit for purpose.
 
magoodle said:
Thank you all for your positive and negative replies .

l have managed to have a nice chat with the vendor of the horse this morning ,and am pleased to say HES GOING BACK THIS AFTERNOON !!

i am getting a refund ,less his expenses ,and im now relieved and probably in many of your eyes LUCKY
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Good to hear you've been able to sort things and will be in a position to hopefully buy one that is suitable for your needs...

I just hope, for the horse's sake, the seller gets a proper medical evaluation and deals with that properly rather than offering him straight back up for sale...
 
So pleased for you that you have managed to sort this out. I do worry about the outcome for this poor horse but the vendor will now have to make the difficult decision as to pts or not, not fair that you were possibly left with that decision though. Good luck finding another horse and would advice that if buying privately lots of people will allow you to try the horse for a week or two first as genuine people want to see their horse is as happy with the new owner as the new owner is with the horse! All the best.
 
horserider said:
Amazing isn't it ? So many experts on here that can diagnose the severity, possible prognosis and treatment costs of a horse without seeing it.

Throwaway horses in a society where nothing is valued.
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Perfectly put.

Cant be reading all the posts as it really is a witch hunt now. It doesn't help the OP at all by trying to out do each other with your dismissive and 'oh so knowledgeable' and nasty comments. But of course very few of you actually have any interest in handing out sensible and helpful advice have you - its all part of the H&H habit of pouring scorn and derision on just about anybody you feel hasn't enough b****s to give you as good back.:mad:

To those of you who have managed to get a word in edgeways with the morons and offer useful advice I take my hat of to you - you have more stamina than me!:rolleyes:
 
BBW said:
The horse clearly has issue's which the OP was not willing to sort out, therefore horse should be pts rather than left to suffer. NO horse, dog, cat or human should EVER be left to suffer!!

OP I'm glad you have sorted the situation out, I hope you find yourself a nice horse, I also hope the horse gets the best treatment from wherever it goes next.
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I agree but not sure op's vet advised pts but you obviously know better!
 
magoodle said:
Thank you all for your positive and negative replies .

l have managed to have a nice chat with the vendor of the horse this morning ,and am pleased to say HES GOING BACK THIS AFTERNOON !!

i am getting a refund ,less his expenses ,and im now relieved and probably in many of your eyes LUCKY

silly -yes
troll-no

once again thank you all
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Glad youve had a good outcome op
 
Pleased to hear that it has been resolved for you op, fwiw I'd opt for a trial and vetting before parting with that much money, just to save so much worry and heartache; but I'm sure you will next time. :D
 
Crugeran Celt said:
If the dog or any other animal was happy and not in pain or unacceptable discomfort then yes I would keep it. We are all different but all my animals and I have quite a few would be given the chance of a comfortable life. I chose to have them I have to care for them, thats the deal.
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but not all people buy a horse to end up having it as a large pet, if ANY animal is lame etc then its in pain, its suffereing. more to the point theres pleanty of HEALTHY horses needing homes in this country.

the op clearly didnt want a stable full issues. naive, stupid what ever. at the end of the day its not what she wanted so she needs to consider her options.

tbh from the soundss of it, it would be far kinder to pts.
 
Ladydragon said:
I just hope, for the horse's sake, the seller gets a proper medical evaluation and deals with that properly rather than offering him straight back up for sale...
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As if.

wonkey_donkey said:
Don't be surprised if the seller turns up and gives you a lot less of your money than your expecting. I'm very surprised your getting to send the horse back TBH !!
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Crugeran Celt said:
So pleased for you that you have managed to sort this out. I do worry about the outcome for this poor horse but the vendor will now have to make the difficult decision as to pts or not, not fair that you were possibly left with that decision though. Good luck finding another horse and would advice that if buying privately lots of people will allow you to try the horse for a week or two first as genuine people want to see their horse is as happy with the new owner as the new owner is with the horse! All the best.
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Somehow I don't actually think the vendor has the horse's best interests at heart.

Wagtail said:
What a good result for you, OP. I hope all goes well for the poor horse too, though I doubt it some how.
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Call me a cynic - it will be back at the sales before you can blink. Because of course the 'issues' were a total surprise to the vendor.............

Hopefully the OP has learned a valuable lesson. I am sorry she has had to go through this. Indeed we can all make mistakes, but I cannot ever imagine spending £3k on a horse without a proper trial/vetting etc. Incredibly naive, particularly from someone who's professional qualification will mean other, less qualified and experienced would-be purchasers would feel confident to ask her to accompany them/advise at viewings.
 
Crugeran Celt said:
I hope you never find yourself with a horse that can live perfectly happy left in a field to retire as you would obviously pts, lets hope that you are not on the recieving end of this attitude as you get older and less mobile!
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Oh come on. Some people (myself included) would be happy to keep a horse who couldn't work but could have a decent quality of life as a pet. Others wouldn't. There is no shame in PTS if you aren't prepared to keep a horse as a pet - they are expensive creatures. Its far more humane than many other options: selling without being honest and letting it take its chances at a market, for example. Which I am greatly disappointed to see at least one regular and well respected user has suggested as the fate for this horse... again :( I hope I merely misunderstood a sarcastic response.

magoodle said:
Thank you all for your positive and negative replies .

l have managed to have a nice chat with the vendor of the horse this morning ,and am pleased to say HES GOING BACK THIS AFTERNOON !!

i am getting a refund ,less his expenses ,and im now relieved and probably in many of your eyes LUCKY

silly -yes
troll-no

once again thank you all
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Thank goodness for that. I hope he does not take off much in the way of expenses. I bet you've learnt lessons about auctions, vendor status and reputation, and the reasons why many horses end up at auction, too.

PolarSkye said:
Finally. Someone giving the OP a reasoned, articulate and helpful response.
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:)

Wagtail said:
What a good result for you, OP. I hope all goes well for the poor horse too, though I doubt it some how.
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Yes, this is definately a concern. I wonder if the OP is able to go and watch the sale for the next few weeks. She may be able to have a quiet word in the ear of any interested parties, or the auctioneers (well, they sound as if they know about it anyway). I think the key will be to leave money, purse, handbags and transport at home this time, and have a heavy friend to sit on her hands ;)
 
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Glad for the ops sake she has got a refund. But from the horses pov, being pts would have been preferable than what is most likely to happen now, back through the sales again, and where does a lame & broken winded horse go from there?
Funny that those saying the op has a duty to the horse & paying vet fees etc rather than being 'throw away' & pts are all really happy its going back to a seller who'll put an unhealthy horse through a sales. But no, those saying pts are obviously heartless, another sales ring is far more in the horses interest. Personally, I'd ask for a partial refund as the horse isn't fit for purpose, keep it & either treat or pts dependant on funds. Not hand it back to an unscrupulous vendor.
 
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