AHAR (Animal Rescue Animal Hell) PETITION

Chocolate moonbeam said:
Oh i did know as did several other people commenting on this thread.

Which begs the question, why demand i answer a question from people who already know the answer?

She died whilst undergoing an operation on her leg to sort out the club foot.
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Why have AHAR made no public statement that Hero is dead?
 
copple said:
Why have AHAR made no public statement that Hero is dead?
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Is there some law that says they have to?

They haven't been asking for any donations for her treatment so what exactly have they done wrong here. She got the operation the donors paid for, she died whilst being operated on, end of story.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
Is there some law that says they have to?

They haven't been asking for any donations for her treatment so what exactly have they done wrong here. She got the operation the donors paid for, she died whilst being operated on, end of story.
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Wow the sheer arrogance of your statement, so the supporters and dona tors who gave so generously are not deserving of an update or have I misread that. As Ive said many times Ive never come across a rescue which treats its supporters with so much disdain as Ahar. If its true that your donations are down then its down to Ahar who continue to take their supporters for granted.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
Why does a charity raising money for the upkeep and veterinary care of animals in the rescue bother you so much.

I don't think I'll ever figure out why you seem to resent this.
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It's status as a rescue is questionable. Veterinary care is not given to all animals, hence the reason for so many welfare notices where AHAR had to be TOLD to get veterinary care for some animals on site. Raising money is fine, but when AHAR refuse to give information about an animal who's care was paid for by an individual, that's when their PR sucks and their respect for donators goes down the pan.
 
Dobiegirl said:
Wow the sheer arrogance of your statement, so the supporters and dona tors who gave so generously are not deserving of an update or have I misread that. As Ive said many times Ive never come across a rescue which treats its supporters with so much disdain as Ahar. If its true that your donations are down then its down to Ahar who continue to take their supporters for granted.
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So tell me Dobiegirl, as you knew Hero was dead why didn't you say something.
 
copple said:
It's status as a rescue is questionable. Veterinary care is not given to all animals, hence the reason for so many welfare notices where AHAR had to be TOLD to get veterinary care for some animals on site. Raising money is fine, but when AHAR refuse to give information about an animal who's care was paid for by an individual, that's when their PR sucks and their respect for donators goes down the pan.
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Can you prove veterinary care isn't given to all animals?

And as for these welfare notices, perhaps you would like to post the details about each and every one since you seem to know so much about them.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
The initial post on the Ahar facebook stated it could take up to 18 months for treatment to be completed. Any donors should have noted that and realised any money they donated for an op might be used later rather than sooner.

Little point in operating on a horse standing on tiptoes as she was when she went into the centre.
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Yeah far better to do one hoof trim and dump her and other sick horses on a disused golf course approx 30 mins from AHAR.
Bit like those horses that got left to die in the bog at the old place.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
Can you prove veterinary care isn't given to all animals?

And as for these welfare notices, perhaps you would like to post the details about each and every one since you seem to know so much about them.
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Would you like to prove they are?
Those welfare notices were put up with reference numbers, why don't you ask the manager to show you.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
Is there some law that says they have to?

They haven't been asking for any donations for her treatment so what exactly have they done wrong here. She got the operation the donors paid for, she died whilst being operated on, end of story.
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It's called common decency, something AHAR totally lacks.
If that is truly the case let AHAR show a vet report to donors, given their NEW approach to transparency and all.
 
Chocolate Moonbeam, you seem to "know" a lot. You say your connection to AHAR is none of our business, which says to me there is, otherwise you'd just say no. (Someone else has said this before me). So, if you are connected with AHAR, and you know what is going on, what are you, yes you, doing about it?
 
RoseMc said:
That is quite an accusation, I do hope you have proof of that. Something you may not know about this forum is the server records ISP's so unlike the vitriol you spew elsewhere, you can be traced back should the person decide to pursue
you for any legal action
;)
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Now that is interesting, thank you. I shall retain that bit of information for future reference :)
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
Oh you'd like that wouldn't you, give you free reign to spread lies and gossip.
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Chocolate Moonbeam, of all the people posting on here you are doing the most Sam age. I can't work out whether you hate them and are being crafty or if you are deluded enough to think you are helping.
I'm puzzled why you think letting sunlight in would be a problem meanwhile you continue to dig a bigger hole for AHAR.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
What hasn't she lied about. She has also sold a rescue horse she got from Ahar and is now trying to rehome another one..
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Is this how that story went? I'm guessing but it seems likely.

AHAR bought a horse from the knacker man which would otherwise have had a swift humane end. Instead of that horse being killed by the knacker man, another one was, so the sum benefit to horse kind by AHAR's purchase was zero at best and an increase in breeding of homeless horses at worst.

AHAR then didn't want to pay to rehabilitate this horse, or didn't have the funds to do so, so they gave it away (or sold it for a rehoming fee?) without checking its health or securing its future in any way.

The new home luckily received a horse which did not infect its stables with strangles and didn't have incurable laminitis. They rehabbed the horse to a state where it was sellable, sold it, decided to spend the meagre profit they made on doing more of the work AHAR don't do on their 'rescues' and told AHAR they had room for another.

How close am I? Because from what I've read about your practices, it's entirely plausible I'd say.
 
Holy smoke. Chocolate teapot, few things:
Bare hoof growth: All barefoot horse will grow their front hoofs A LOT quicker than their hindhoofs. Any farrier will confirm that to you.I see it with my lot too.Front hoofs need trimming every 6 weeks, hind usually every 4 month.
Hero: That leg is not only a clubfoot.it WAS a clubfoot when Hero came to ahar - a bad one.But manageable with regular treatments.In the last picture seen of her, the clubfoot has turned and affected the tendons and they have shortened top a degree that hero can't stretch her foot anymore. that ONLY happens if you do not treat. Further more, if you look at the vidoe posted with this petition, you will see the overgrowth on Heros' healthy foot. It's overgrown and split - that takes at least 9-12 month. So, you want us to believe that a farrier was there and only trimmer her hindfeet? The facts are there and plain for all to see who aren't legally(or illegally) blind. Hero's state after her 'rescue' was caused by Neglect from AHAR. Plain and simple.
 
paddi22 said:
oh god! this again.

i end up repeating this on every ahar thread as you get accused of the same thing.

I have visited ireland, (for 39 years since i was born here)
I have not been to ahar but have close contact with transporters, suppliers, other charities who interact with them on a regular basis.
I work with horse rescues. I know all about how charities interact and work with organisations. In fact, its because of that that I KNOW the issues ahar have and why people aren't happy with them. Can you name ONE established charity with a GOOD reputation who will say a good word about AHAR? Because i don't. I know exactly why suzanne wasn't allowed be a welfare officer for IHWT. That IHWT charity is one of the best regulated ones in ireland. Ask them would they ever send a horse to AHAR? I know what they'd say.

Your livestock with deadstock comment is actually laughable. We don't have 'deadstock', we have animals who are respectfully put to sleep well before their suffering gets too much and they drop. Of course you get animals who drop dead of heart attacks, aneurisms etc , but the scale of that should be tiny. The idea that its fine to have a yard of 'deadstock' buried in the grounds is actually insane and shows the level of unreality that ahar functions in.

I sleep perfectly well at night knowing that at any stage opf the year we have a field of rescues being rehabilitated to new homes. What i don't have is horses crippled and dumping fields like hero, and then disappearing. Dying donkeys being dragged onto a sofa for a photo op to raise money. Horses being shipped with strangles..jesus, i could actually go on and on here.

So you can dismount off your judgy high horse there because myself and a lot of other posters here DO work with charities and rehab horses. So your rant to us is meaningless.
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How could she be an inspector for IHWT when she was being investigated by them?
 
From one fairytale lover to another.

Once upon a time there was a sanctuary for all the unloved and unwanted animals, this place was filled with love, rainbows, unicorns and dragons. The ruler of this magical kingdom ruled all and her henchmen carried out her bidding to protect her magical world. moonbeams shone down on the ruler and chocolate rivers flowed. Like the Pied Piper the ruler surrounded herself with little ones who kept its deep dark secrets. One day she discovered a way to build onto her kingdom but this meant she had to find a way of getting grownups to believe her tales and throw pots of gold at her feet. The more pots of gold she got the more she wanted and the need for more neglecting, torturing and murdering of animals she had to show. Till one day the grown ups could take the suffering no more and started to tell their tales. The magical ruler was caught for doing these bad bad things and sent to prison for a long long time ... the animals in heaven cried down from above in joy creating a Mecca that cleansed the sanctuary of the past releasing the animals that had lived in hope so long who all lived happily ever after ... the end
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
Is there some law that says they have to?

They haven't been asking for any donations for her treatment so what exactly have they done wrong here. She got the operation the donors paid for, she died whilst being operated on, end of story.
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I'm not aware of any law that says you legally have to respect people who are constantly asked for money.
On one hand you say AHAR are not asking for money for Hero's care, then on the other hand you say they've already paid for her care and operation. If AHAR can't be bothered to update people on animals, then perhaps they should stop the practice of featuring each one on their page, naming it or subjecting supporters to fantasy filled stories of how they were "rescued". If supporters don't deserve an update AFTER they have given money, then why post so much drivel before money is donated?
 
Is there some law that says they have to? They haven't been asking for any donations for her treatment so what exactly have they done wrong here. She got the operation the donors paid for said:
ah sure now, you know what actually happened, The manager missed the appointment with the specialist, and the vet took HERO away and put her to sleep because her problem had been left untreated to long past the point of any hope. Had they followed through when they first raised the funds she would have had a chance, but she got dumped in Limerick with other horses that had to be hidden, to rot.
Shame on you for defending them, once again you show your true colours and agenda
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ycbm said:
Is this how that story went? I'm guessing but it seems likely.

AHAR bought a horse from the knacker man which would otherwise have had a swift humane end. Instead of that horse being killed by the knacker man, another one was, so the sum benefit to horse kind by AHAR's purchase was zero at best and an increase in breeding of homeless horses at worst.

AHAR then didn't want to pay to rehabilitate this horse, or didn't have the funds to do so, so they gave it away (or sold it for a rehoming fee?) without checking its health or securing its future in any way.

The new home luckily received a horse which did not infect its stables with strangles and didn't have incurable laminitis. They rehabbed the horse to a state where it was sellable, sold it, decided to spend the meagre profit they made on doing more of the work AHAR don't do on their 'rescues' and told AHAR they had room for another.

How close am I? Because from what I've read about your practices, it's entirely plausible I'd say.
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You're about as far away as you could possibly get actually.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
You're about as far away as you could possibly get actually.
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No she isnt. She is absolutely and exactly right.

I'll see if my friends wants to come and post herself actually. Shes not a forum person but I'm pretty sure she wont take lightly to you telling bare faced lies about her where she cant defend herself.

But feel free to correct it and tell me exactly how this is wrong
 
Its pretty close to one I know to be factual, here it goes- Once upon a time AHAR bought a pony from the meatman. Advertised it on their page as a 4yr old gelding. My friend rang up, it arrived and it was a 2 year old colt, 13hh with lice and worms. My friend kept him 2 years, had him passported and castrated and made him into a good condition, non lousy/wormy youngster. She broke him in, got him riding nicely, but he was too small so she sold him at a local horse fair as a 4 year old for what it took to cover her costs. He went to a very nice young local girl who is doing well with him.
This story ended well, but the ending could well have been not so good had it not been a knowledgeable person he went to. There was no home check.
 
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