AHAR (Animal Rescue Animal Hell) PETITION

[Dobiegirl]

What about KM who used to foster horses for AHAR, she paid for everything herself and schooled and got them to a good riding standard. They were returned to AHAR who rehomed them, KM was horrified to see one of them advertised for sale using her photos, she rang up the girl advertising her who said SG had said she could do what she wanted which proves time and time again the priority is to get rid with no come back, certainly no rescue back-up.

 

[Leo Walker]

I've just had a quick chat with my friend. Its actually much worse than people think:

She said to ask Deidre aka CM aka the creator of the Facebook page, the following:

"Ask if they want pictures of the horse register with all the names of the dealers and factory men who took horses out of there in it"

AHAR have been shipping horses off to the meat man. When I asked how many and how often, she said:

"lots all the wild ones she was giving away once theyd made her her fortune"

 

[Chocolate moonbeam]

I've just had a quick chat with my friend. Its actually much worse than people think:

She said to ask Deidre aka CM aka the creator of the Facebook page, the following:

"Ask if they want pictures of the horse register with all the names of the dealers and factory men who took horses out of there in it"

AHAR have been shipping horses off to the meat man. When I asked how many and how often, she said:

"lots all the wild ones she was giving away once theyd made her her fortune"

Well that differs somewhat from a claim made a short while ago about Ahar not having the funds to look after their animals.

Perhaps it's about time these people got together and actually got their stories straight.

 

[Chocolate moonbeam]

Holy smoke. Chocolate teapot, few things:
Bare hoof growth: All barefoot horse will grow their front hoofs A LOT quicker than their hindhoofs. Any farrier will confirm that to you.I see it with my lot too.Front hoofs need trimming every 6 weeks, hind usually every 4 month.
Hero: That leg is not only a clubfoot.it WAS a clubfoot when Hero came to ahar - a bad one.But manageable with regular treatments.In the last picture seen of her, the clubfoot has turned and affected the tendons and they have shortened top a degree that hero can't stretch her foot anymore. that ONLY happens if you do not treat. Further more, if you look at the vidoe posted with this petition, you will see the overgrowth on Heros' healthy foot. It's overgrown and split - that takes at least 9-12 month. So, you want us to believe that a farrier was there and only trimmer her hindfeet? The facts are there and plain for all to see who aren't legally(or illegally) blind. Hero's state after her 'rescue' was caused by Neglect from AHAR. Plain and simple.

Actually, what you are claiming about trimming seems to differ from anything I have read which states the hind hoofs do need trimming at regular intervals especially when the horse is kept on ground that won't wear them down naturally.

And not only that if we take your 4 month trimming regime as an example yet you claim the front foot is 9-12 months growth, then this would mean this horse would have seen a farrier at least twice.

 

[Chocolate moonbeam]

No need for me to prove anything. The report from the DAFM is clear. I'm sure you have seen it, it's quite a lengthy read.

That's because you can't prove anything. It's nothing more than a list that tells you nothing in particular.

 

[Chocolate moonbeam]

ah sure now, you know what actually happened, The manager missed the appointment with the specialist, and the vet took HERO away and put her to sleep because her problem had been left untreated to long past the point of any hope. Had they followed through when they first raised the funds she would have had a chance, but she got dumped in Limerick with other horses that had to be hidden, to rot.
Shame on you for defending them, once again you show your true colours and agenda

Can you prove any of that or are you just listening to hearsay as per?

 

[Chocolate moonbeam]

What about KM who used to foster horses for AHAR, she paid for everything herself and schooled and got them to a good riding standard. They were returned to AHAR who rehomed them, KM was horrified to see one of them advertised for sale using her photos, she rang up the girl advertising her who said SG had said she could do what she wanted which proves time and time again the priority is to get rid with no come back, certainly no rescue back-up.

So your friend was horrified to see a rescue horse up for sale yet not horrified by the sale of another one by someone else.

Isn't that what they call double standards?

 

[Leo Walker]

Well that differs somewhat from a claim made a short while ago about Ahar not having the funds to look after their animals.

Perhaps it's about time these people got together and actually got their stories straight.

I think you missed the important bit:

AHAR are selling horses on to the meat man after the funds have been raised. Which given who you are, I'm sure you know already

 

[Chocolate moonbeam]

I think you missed the important bit:

AHAR are selling horses on to the meat man after the funds have been raised. Which given who you are, I'm sure you know already

Who am I? If it's the person you mentioned in your above post, then you are very, very, very wrong.

 

[Dobiegirl]

So your friend was horrified to see a rescue horse up for sale yet not horrified by the sale of another one by someone else.

Isn't that what they call double standards?

Do you mind explaining as I dont have a clue what you are on about and anyone else reading this wont either.

 

[Chocolate moonbeam]

Do you mind explaining as I dont have a clue what you are on about and anyone else reading this wont either.

Do you have problems with reading simple comments or something?

 

[stormox]

I think chocolate moonbeam is an anti-AHAR person who writes nonsensical posts arguing every point anyone writes in order to keep the 'Investigate AHAR' petition at the top of the forum so more people notice it and sign. I must congratulate him/her/it on a fantastic job.

 

[copple]

That's because you can't prove anything. It's nothing more than a list that tells you nothing in particular.

I don't need to prove it. The proof is there for all to read. But you are probably unlikely to believe it as you seem to think everyone who has anything to say on the matter is a liar, with the exception of the woman who runs AHAR. Your knowledge of horses is googled and I doubt you could tell the front from the back end of a panto horse. 27+ pages now on this subject and you are the only one frantically trying to justify the cruelty at this rescue. The story of Hero alone is a major red flag. AHAR needs to be investigated and if they have nothing to hide then they can at least start to redeem themselves by telling the truth.

 

[Chocolate moonbeam]

I think chocolate moonbeam is an anti-AHAR person who writes nonsensical posts arguing every point anyone writes in order to keep the 'Investigate AHAR' petition at the top of the forum so more people notice it and sign. I must congratulate him/her/it on a fantastic job.

You do know the purpose of a forum don't you?

 

[Dobiegirl]

Do you have problems with reading simple comments or something?

Try to remember where you are, when in Rome and all that, I dont have the foggiest what you are on about and Im sure anyone else reading this wont either or is that the intention to confuse people as this whole thread has you putting out half statements avoiding questions and just being rude.

 

[stormox]

You do know the purpose of a forum don't you?

You are being facetious now.

 

[Chocolate moonbeam]

I don't need to prove it. The proof is there for all to read. But you are probably unlikely to believe it as you seem to think everyone who has anything to say on the matter is a liar, with the exception of the woman who runs AHAR. Your knowledge of horses is googled and I doubt you could tell the front from the back end of a panto horse. 27+ pages now on this subject and you are the only one frantically trying to justify the cruelty at this rescue. The story of Hero alone is a major red flag. AHAR needs to be investigated and if they have nothing to hide then they can at least start to redeem themselves by telling the truth.

No, the proof is not there to read because there is no content to download. You have no clue what is written within any of those numbered items because you know full well the DAFM didn't release that information. If they had and it had contained anything which you thought might boost your cause, you'd have been posting it all over the shop.

Instead, all you can do is post a list of items relating to the timeframe of the FOI request and claim foul with no evidence to back any of it up.

 

[Chocolate moonbeam]

And what the hell is going on with the American date format. The DAFM is based in Ireland is it not?

 

[stormox]

If all is above board and shipshape at AHAR, chocolate moonbeam, why are you so opposed to an impartial investigation which could clear AHARs name? I would have thought the trustees and manager would have welcomed any such investigation.

 

[Chocolate moonbeam]

If all is above board and shipshape at AHAR, chocolate moonbeam, why are you so opposed to an impartial investigation which could clear AHARs name? I would have thought the trustees and manager would have welcomed any such investigation.

Where did i say i was opposed to anything, i came into this thread to highlight the despicable ways that anti Ahar crews will drag themselves down to in order to attempt to cause as much strife for Ahar as they can.

 

[stormox]

Where did i say i was opposed to anything, i came into this thread to highlight the despicable ways that anti Ahar crews will drag themselves down to in order to attempt to cause as much strife for Ahar as they can.

So you welcome -and have therefore presumably signed-the petition that is asking for an investigation into AHAR?

Glad to hear it.

 

[copple]

No, the proof is not there to read because there is no content to download. You have no clue what is written within any of those numbered items because you know full well the DAFM didn't release that information. If they had and it had contained anything which you thought might boost your cause, you'd have been posting it all over the shop.

Instead, all you can do is post a list of items relating to the timeframe of the FOI request and claim foul with no evidence to back any of it up.

eh, 20+ welfare notices in a year is proof enough that all was not as AHAR said it was. Several of those notices were to seek vet care. that plus up to ten grand a month withdrawn via ATM with no receipts or records of expenditure is hardly the way to run a rescue. No wonder the main benefactor ran a mile along with hundreds of volunteers and admin staff. Are they ALL liars too?

 

[Chocolate moonbeam]

eh, 20+ welfare notices in a year is proof enough that all was not as AHAR said it was. Several of those notices were to seek vet care. that plus up to ten grand a month withdrawn via ATM with no receipts or records of expenditure is hardly the way to run a rescue. No wonder the main benefactor ran a mile along with hundreds of volunteers and admin staff. Are they ALL liars too?

Erm that AW5 form is a form, not a welfare notice in case you didn't notice. Now you tell me what was written on those forms (with the American date format from the Irish DAFM)

 

[paddi22]

I think chocolate moonbeam is an anti-AHAR person who writes nonsensical posts arguing every point anyone writes in order to keep the 'Investigate AHAR' petition at the top of the forum so more people notice it and sign. I must congratulate him/her/it on a fantastic job.

have to say, i was actually half thinking this!

 

[copple]

Erm that AW5 form is a form, not a welfare notice in case you didn't notice. Now you tell me what was written on those forms (with the American date format from the Irish DAFM)

The ARE welfare notices: To seek vet care for sheep on site. To stop using the transporter as a kennel, To reduce equine numbers by 60. To cease the transport of live animals. To seek vet care for 3 equines. To cease taking in equines.
Why did you not comment on the money and the people who ran for the hills?

 

[Dobiegirl]

have to say, i was actually half thinking this!

She is doing a great PR job for AHAR, all these views from people who have never heard of them now know to avoid at all cost.

 

[Chocolate moonbeam]

The ARE welfare notices: To seek vet care for sheep on site. To stop using the transporter as a kennel, To reduce equine numbers by 60. To cease the transport of live animals. To seek vet care for 3 equines. To cease taking in equines.
Why did you not comment on the money and the people who ran for the hills?

And the other 14+ welfare notices you claim are there?

To cease transport of live animals, hmm, seems they must have relented on that one then or perhaps it was never actually a welfare notice at all but rather relating to the training required for type two transportation?

And clearly they were still taking in equines, so that appears to be a load of gumph too.

 

[ycbm]

Where did i say i was opposed to anything, i came into this thread to highlight the despicable ways that anti Ahar crews will drag themselves down to in order to attempt to cause as much strife for Ahar as they can.

Can you explain why anyone would want to do this? Never mind there being several 'crews' of them? Is there any other animal rescue charity that gets this kind of bad publicity? OK the RSPCA are criticised, but that's for prosecuting the wrong people and NOT rescuing horses.

Why would substantial numbers of people want AHAR caused strife if there are no problems with it?

 

[Chocolate moonbeam]

Can you explain why anyone would want to do this? Never mind there being several 'crews' of them? Is there any other animal rescue charity that gets this kind of bad publicity? OK the RSPCA are criticised, but that's for prosecuting the wrong people and NOT rescuing horses.

Why would substantial numbers of people want AHAR caused strife if there are no problems with it?

Loads of animal rescue centres get this type of treatment. God only knows why these trolls who call themselves animal lovers want to wreck the place that these often abused and neglected animals have found a sanctuary prior to being found new loving homes, but there you go eh, now't so queer as folk.

 

[copple]

And the other 14+ welfare notices you claim are there?

To cease transport of live animals, hmm, seems they must have relented on that one then or perhaps it was never actually a welfare notice at all but rather relating to the training required for type two transportation?

And clearly they were still taking in equines, so that appears to be a load of gumph too.

People who are not qualified to drive specific transportation SHOULD NOT drive it. It would be a danger to animals and other road users not to mention illegal. They are taking in equines because they clearly reduced numbers by dumping a few horses on a dis-used golf course and others went to their "5 star" homes. And AGAIN, what about the money and the people who left - is that gumph too?