Aintree Grand National

Yeah anyway, I should go and meet my friend who Kitsune cyber bullied so badly on a different forum that she gave up riding and started self harming. Bye bye.
 
JDChaser said:
Yeah anyway, I should go and meet my friend who Kitsune cyber bullied so badly on a different forum that she gave up riding and started self harming. Bye bye.
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How on earth is that relevant to this post?

One thing I cannot stand is when people make entirely unrelated digs in an attempt to get the upper hand :rolleyes:
 
Well, as far as I'm concerned, there's nothing wrong with having a bit of compassion for the horses that died. Yes, horses die. Doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with caring about it.
 
I've also posted this on another thread, but did anyone hear Richard Pitman's unfortunate gaff, when he referred to Hedgehunter, as Hedgec*unter? That'll live with him for a day or two!!

A great race, and so sad to see the losses. My condolences to the yard staff who will be dreadfully upset.

Alec.
 
Of course there's nothing wrong with compassion - i've had to sit in an empty lorry home from the races before and literally bawled by eyes out for 3 hours after a horse I looked after for years died. But the point is, it is not the only thing about racing and I get fed up of the people who only ever concentrate on the negatives of horse racing. You always read on here people who talk about racehorses 'getting shoved off to the abbatoir once they're retired' or 'looking too skinny and poorly looked after' and it's very insulting from a racing groom's point of view, when I work 12 days a fortnight, 12 hours a day to give them everything they need.. The horses where I work have the life of riley, they're looked after by a large team who adore them and we are all gutted whenever we lose one. BUT we still love the sport and recognise the risks, and understand that these are athletes who are bred for a job.
 
JDChaser said:
Yeah anyway, I should go and meet my friend who Kitsune cyber bullied so badly on a different forum that she gave up riding and started self harming. Bye bye.
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Supprised she is your friend as you seem to show little compassion for anything with a heartbeat...maybe your friend needs to relise that you CAN switch a computer off and walk away and not use it as an excuse for the realisation of other emotional turmoils going on in their life?

Was there really any need to bring that up! Mind you, if you were my friend (and i am so glad you are not) i would be looking at the behaviour displayed on here and think twice!

Way to win a discussion btw, well done(!)
 
For what it is worth (probably bugger all) I too was pretty angry that the "rerun" comentators referred to the dead and injured horse as "obstacles" - I did however wait to see if Claire Baldwin would put things right and yes she did.

The first faller by the looks of him broke his neck as you can clearly see his legs peddaling in the death throws - don't know about the Beecher Brook faller.

The commentators would have known immediately the fate of that animal, in fact the appearance of the green tarpaulin would have confirmed that outcome.

I will add at this point that I am a horse racing lover in all shapes and sizes and am an obsessional fan of the GN and always will be.

Cannot understand why the first faller was not removed from the course though?

As for the rest of you that are behaving like children to each other - FFS GROW UP!
 
Alec Swan said:
I've also posted this on another thread, but did anyone hear Richard Pitman's unfortunate gaff, when he referred to Hedgehunter, as Hedgec*unter? That'll live with him for a day or two!!

A great race, and so sad to see the losses. My condolences to the yard staff who will be dreadfully upset.

Alec.
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LOL - suppose you don't know roughly when?? I have it Sky Plused....
 
JD-now that was a much better post!
I've been to racing yards, I've seen the stables-one had padded walls, central heating the works! I have no doubt that the horse in that particular box wanted for nothing.

I've been to vetinary centres of excellence with my shaggy happy hacker only to be stabled next to a well known trainers horse whose injury was career ending BUT was still having the life saving treatment so as he could go on to be a happy hacker!

In the original posts you did seem to be mocking those of us who were offended at the use of the word 'obstacle' to describe the two noble creatures lying on the turf after giving their all.
 
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zefragile said:
:( I don't know if it was your intention, but saying that 2 horses dying is acceptable sounds awful.
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SF did explain earlier that she didn't mean to use the word "Acceptable" but couldn't think of another way to put it.

I think she meant to say that it could have been worse and was relieved that everyone else came home safe.
 
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hudsonw said:
SF did explain earlier that she didn't mean to use the word "Acceptable" but couldn't think of another way to put it.

I think she meant to say that it could have been worse and was relieved that everyone else came home safe.
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I said this on another thread and it's not 'acceptable' but I understand what was meant, at least it was two and not 10, 15 etc...any horse who was in a bad way has had the best care and the ones that died probably wouldn't have felt it, yes confused, but with all that adrenaline I doubt they would have been in a lot of pain
 
Don't want to get involved in the arguement here, but I have to say that I can't find anything wrong in any of JDChaser's posts. I think if anyone is out of order here, it is Black Horse. Im not involved in the racing industry, but from what I have seen over many years, these horses get the best possible treatment, and are well loved by their connections, most of all by the grooms who look after them everyday. They get the best possible veterinary treatment, the best food and a quick end if that is their destiny.

In contrast, many other horses and ponies are overfed and given laminitis, turned out on ragwort infested paddocks to suffer liver failure later on, badly ridden in gadgets that riders don't understand how to use correctly........shall I go on?

So, although it is very sad that two horses have lost their lives today, they had the best of treatment while they were living. Can that be said about every other horse and pony living in the UK?

No.
 
Hi everyone!

I am so glad to find a horse forum that can talk about the Grand National and the sad fatalities today with decorum and reason. I wish I'd thought to find this page earlier.
I am a horse lover and (as another poster said earlier) a Grand National obsessive!:D I understand how heartbreaking it is to have die and, to be honest, I had a sick feeling as soon as Ornais fell and they were flagged around the fences, which marred my enjoyment of the race (GN day is like Christmas for me!) However, I hate when animal activists jump on the bandwagon and start calling for the race's ban after a day like this, which I know is coming.

Anyway, hi from the US and I will be visiting these forums regularly now:)
 
lhotse said:
Don't want to get involved in the arguement here, but I have to say that I can't find anything wrong in any of JDChaser's posts. I think if anyone is out of order here, it is Black Horse. Im not involved in the racing industry, but from what I have seen over many years, these horses get the best possible treatment, and are well loved by their connections, most of all by the grooms who look after them everyday. They get the best possible veterinary treatment, the best food and a quick end if that is their destiny.

In contrast, many other horses and ponies are overfed and given laminitis, turned out on ragwort infested paddocks to suffer liver failure later on, badly ridden in gadgets that riders don't understand how to use correctly........shall I go on?

So, although it is very sad that two horses have lost their lives today, they had the best of treatment while they were living. Can that be said about every other horse and pony living in the UK?

No.
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Have to say I agree with the points made here. Yes, it is really sad and I did get that horrible sick feeling when I saw the tarpaulin and screens, but in this industry the horses are well cared for.

Now the ones that don't make it and don't make it in riding homes ....... thats another sad part of the industry. Also retired race horses, even Hallo Dandy ending up in a charity. Yes, there is a dark side to the industry - but there are a lot worse - horses in pain, neglected, passed around many homes. I believe the 2 today had a quick end and good lives. It is still trahic and my thoughts go out to all involed.
 
Great job done by the winner, he deserves all the attention but it is a shame that it has been darkened by the deaths of the two horses.

It is a very sad thing to happen, but it could have happened anywhere.
I am a racing fan, but i always watch the GN through my fingers. Its thrilling, exciting and terrifying at the same time.

Well done Ballabriggs :)
 
lhotse said:
Don't want to get involved in the arguement here, but I have to say that I can't find anything wrong in any of JDChaser's posts. I think if anyone is out of order here, it is Black Horse. Im not involved in the racing industry, but from what I have seen over many years, these horses get the best possible treatment, and are well loved by their connections, most of all by the grooms who look after them everyday. They get the best possible veterinary treatment, the best food and a quick end if that is their destiny.

In contrast, many other horses and ponies are overfed and given laminitis, turned out on ragwort infested paddocks to suffer liver failure later on, badly ridden in gadgets that riders don't understand how to use correctly........shall I go on?

So, although it is very sad that two horses have lost their lives today, they had the best of treatment while they were living. Can that be said about every other horse and pony living in the UK?


No.
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Ah but you have a personal grudge against me :D im THAT special :D haha idiot -.-
 
JDChaser said:
Of course there's nothing wrong with compassion - i've had to sit in an empty lorry home from the races before and literally bawled by eyes out for 3 hours after a horse I looked after for years died. But the point is, it is not the only thing about racing and I get fed up of the people who only ever concentrate on the negatives of horse racing. You always read on here people who talk about racehorses 'getting shoved off to the abbatoir once they're retired' or 'looking too skinny and poorly looked after' and it's very insulting from a racing groom's point of view, when I work 12 days a fortnight, 12 hours a day to give them everything they need.. The horses where I work have the life of riley, they're looked after by a large team who adore them and we are all gutted whenever we lose one. BUT we still love the sport and recognise the risks, and understand that these are athletes who are bred for a job.
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I alsolutely agree here.
It's one aspect of racing picked upon by those who have an anti racing agenda, without giving due consideration to the vast amounts of care and concern shown to the horses during their careers, and after.
 
Puppy said:
Hang on a minute, aren't you into dressage?! :rolleyes: :D
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Dressage, is that where the horses are deemed to valuable to be allowed time out in a field so they have to be led in hand for grass??? Or turned out in individual mini paddocks so never have the chance of a normal horsey life?

Mybe I'm confused
 
Puppy said:
Hang on a minute, aren't you into dressage?! :rolleyes: :D
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:D nicely played, dont get me started! I take that back, i remember meeting a groom a while back who worked for a local NH trainer near where i live. She loved her job and treated the horses in her care with 5* care. They were more then a job, they were her horses and she loved watching them grow into fantastic atheletes and if they were cut down in their prime she was devestated.

Im not tarring everyone with the same brush, but to show absolutle lack of compassion is just as bad as to be blinded by all the pretty ponies running in pain viewpoint *rolls eyes*
 
lhotse said:
Dressage, is that where the horses are deemed to valuable to be allowed time out in a field so they have to be led in hand for grass??? Or turned out in individual mini paddocks so never have the chance of a normal horsey life?

Mybe I'm confused
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As my horse lives out over night, yes without boots on ;) i beg to differ

See, not everyone fits the sterotype :D
 
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