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I had the vet out this week to give Armas the once over after his infusion injections. We have been working on strengthening his back over the last month.
The vet has given him the all clear to resume full normal work.I was concerned that jumping may be of the cards for a lot longer, however the vets felt that his progress and work was good and no reason why he should not start to jump again.
Armas loves to jump and seems to enjoy it much more than other forms of work.
So this is a little video of him back in action yesterday he was full of energy and going really well :)


http://youtu.be/oK8pnRzBMAA
 
Glad he is feeling better...

but..

4 weeks is nothing in injury healing time, do you think poping 1 jump is a little different to repeatedly jumping a course? I would be a little more careful and rehab a little slower then this, especially jumping at speed and bounces/1 strides put a lot of pressure on joints....

*dons tin hat*
 
Ludicrous ! That has made me angry - whatever happened to taking things gently to start with - that is a horse, not a bloomin robot :confused: :eek:

Sorry, I am shocked.
 
And as the owner, it is YOUR responsibility to ensure to your horse's well being. I am sure the vet didn't have this in mind at this stage ! I have to say I am just stunned. Sacro-illiac problems can be very serious and incredibly painful. Grrrrrr :mad:
 
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He looks well :)

I am also surprised that he is jumping already but as I don't know the full story/how long he has been back in work/rehabilitation program etc I won't comment any further.
 
Im glad im not the only one thinking this :(

I have no doubt i wil be accused as a trouble maker but as someone who successfuly rehabed a pelvic injury i learnt vets dont always know what your horse can do... i am shocked. I thought you have been very quiet lately.

FWIW, i think he still looks a ittle lame in canter.
 
Delicious_D said:
Glad he is feeling better...

but..

4 weeks is nothing in injury healing time, do you think poping 1 jump is a little different to repeatedly jumping a course? I would be a little more careful and rehab a little slower then this, especially jumping at speed and bounces/1 strides put a lot of pressure on joints....

*dons tin hat*
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It's dependent on the horse entirely... Armas hasn't stated what has been going on in the previous 4 weeks.

Reg had hock injections on, I think, 12.1.2013. On 24.2.2013, he went round a 1.10m eventer trial, and has had regular lessons since the end of Jan, including competing at 1m SJ on 3 occasions (late Jan, early Feb).

Seriously, it's up to the vet to decide what was needed and how best to proceed. It could have been like Reg- a little niggle that was caught early...
 
Lolo said:
It's dependent on the horse entirely... Armas hasn't stated what has been going on in the previous 4 weeks.

Reg had hock injections on, I think, 12.1.2013. On 24.2.2013, he went round a 1.10m eventer trial, and has had regular lessons since the end of Jan, including competing at 1m SJ on 3 occasions (late Jan, early Feb).

Seriously, it's up to the vet to decide what was needed and how best to proceed. It could have been like Reg- a little niggle that was caught early...
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I was actually going to ask you how was reg doing, havent seen any posts about him lately. :)

I agree it depends on the horse, BUT imho the horse still doesnt look right and it really is only 28ish days...no time really in regards to healing time.
 
Delicious_D said:
I was actually going to ask you how was reg doing, havent seen any posts about him lately. :)

I agree it depends on the horse, BUT imho the horse still doesnt look right and it really is only 28ish days...no time really in regards to healing time.
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He's on fine form and is about to tackle his first Novice dressage test! Report on him and Beatrice's latest antics (should be relatively amusing, Bee's been her usual, delightful self) should appear over the weekend!
 
I didn't post earlier because I felt I may be being mean. My completely sound horse does not jump that much in a lesson. I don't understand why you would go at it like a bull in a china shop frankly.
 
Now I'm not one to usually get involved in this type of thing, but whoa! We don't know the whole story, as said by a previous poster the 'injury' may have been nothing. The video is an edit and does not necessarily mean that the horse was ragged round constantly, there will have been breaks and we don't know for sure this was all filmed at once.

We know from previous posts that Armas has a wonderful life and caring owner and is very fit - 2 training sessions per day so one small jumping session isn't a lot.

Obviously if I am wrong then I apologise, but before this get wayyy out of control like so many posts lets take a step back and let OP explain. I love Armas posts and certainly don't want to see the OP put off posting about him!
 
My horses health is paramount importance to me, I will always be guided by the vet and my observations.
The video is an edited version and it was not a case of jump jump jump there were 5 other horses jumping over a 1hr session.Armas jumped a total of 3.30 over a 1 hr period. So plenty of stops.
As I said in my original post the vet has given me the all clear to resume FULL normal work. I am guided by that.
The jumps were not high nor difficult for him they were kept low, he has a good ability and enjoys his work had he exhibited any signs of discomfort we would have stopped. I rode to day, out on a hack and can report the he is in good form and fighting fit.
 
Thanks, Armas. Admittedly there were some fairly large gaps between the lines this time, but many people (here) default to reading between them first call, so glad you've cleared it up.

He does love his jumping, doesn't he :) Glad to hear he's doing well.
 
TBH, I do find OP a little much at times with his attitude to Armas and his work. However, I have to say on this occasion, that in fairness, Armas does look happy enough and doesn't outwardly show signs of discomfort doing what he is doing. That being said, I notice a slight stiffness/lameness behind in those vids.

I am not a vet. I would tend to think that if the vet has okayed Armas for full work, and he hasn't been out of work so long, then it is not so much of a bad thing.
 
Moomin1 said:
That being said, I notice a slight stiffness/lameness behind in those vids.

I am not a vet. I would tend to think that if the vet has okayed Armas for full work, and he hasn't been out of work so long, then it is not so much of a bad thing.
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Me too.

To be entirely honest armas, no one disputes the gushing love you give your horse, my animals are equally as precious to me, as a result, I have to say that regardless of such a short time off work or the vets ok to resume work, I'd be very cautious if it were my horse but then that's me I'd rather be over cautious or at the very least cautious and have my horse fit and healthy for many years to come than potentially risk the well being and recovery of my horse and therefore risk shortening the time i would be able to enjoy riding it for the sake of a fancy video, I personally wouldn't have even popped a jump and my old mare could knock spots of your boy for her love of jumping.

For ages I have enjoyed your threads but its all getting a bit too tiresome and irritating seeing a beautiful and talented genuine chap being pushed partly for the sake of self glorification... That is how it comes across.


Some people just don't realise their mistakes until its too late.
 
Armas said:
Work rehabilitation enjoyment is a carefull balance. This is one example of what we have been up to in the last month.
Progression and work given, again is a carefull balance and only ever at Armas pace capability and under advisement of the vet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLRcgcp4148&sns=em
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Perhaps you should forward your videos to your vet and see what he/she thinks:rolleyes:
 
Exercise is as good as rest in some cases and if the vet says he can start doing a little bit, better than resting and doing nothing... how do people think physio works?

We've just brought a mare with a tendon injury back into work. She was box-rested for a little while but work started after only 6 weeks... all in hand and in walk 10 mins progression to hourly walks in hand. She's now ready to be ridden. What would you all suggest? Shutting her in a box for a whole year??
 
tallyho! said:
Exercise is as good as rest in some cases and if the vet says he can start doing a little bit, better than resting and doing nothing... how do people think physio works?

We've just brought a mare with a tendon injury back into work. She was box-rested for a little while but work started after only 6 weeks... all in hand and in walk 10 mins progression to hourly walks in hand. She's now ready to be ridden. What would you all suggest? Shutting her in a box for a whole year??
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No of course not but I'm sure you aren't going to get on and jump repeatedly are you. What's wrong with building it up slowly popping a couple of small jumps and building up to this.

Being told you can return to full work I am SURE does not mean immediately, it means build up the horse to the full work.
 
Having sat here and watched both videos, I can say this.
Trotting poles are a great way of rehabilitating a horse with problems like what Armas has had. I don't feel i have a right to judge when it comes to the first, as each horse is different, and if the vet has seen him working, and feels happy with allowing his owner to resume full work, who are we to judge? The owner, or the vets advice?
Armas, may I ask, is he on any joint supplements?

Edited to add: How many of you take the vets advice as bible? Do you ever feel that the vet is giving the wrong advice, and seek a second opinion? If following your vets advice, and you're not entirely happy with it, do you challenge your vet over it, or seek another vets opinion?
 
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FfionWinnie said:
No of course not but I'm sure you aren't going to get on and jump repeatedly are you. What's wrong with building it up slowly popping a couple of small jumps and building up to this.

Being told you can return to full work I am SURE does not mean immediately, it means build up the horse to the full work.
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I have followed the schedule the vet has given me and the rehabilitation plan for the last month and build up which we have been doing for the last month. I have had the vet out to make sure everything is ok. Again I asked the vet his opinion as I said in my OP. In the vets opinion his is fit to work fully. I had a very detailed conversation with the vet as I wanted to know exactly what to do and not do do and at what level to do things with my boy.

SI injuries come in different severity and vets opinions on levels of work vary. As for having a vet look at the videos. I have two friends who are British vets follow Armas progress from day one both are of the opinion he has never been lame in any videos they have watched nor did the vet who carried out the SI injections think he was lame. If you wish to debate that fact one of the Vets he is on Armas face book-page he is also a PRE breeder and trainer and happy to give his opinion.

Feed wise he is on Alan Page Calm and conditioning Winter Glow summer shine and a mug of Soya oil 4 times a week. The vet did not give any specific recommendations re joint supplements but that is some thing I may investigate.
 
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