All clear & back to work

FfionWinnie said:
No of course not but I'm sure you aren't going to get on and jump repeatedly are you. What's wrong with building it up slowly popping a couple of small jumps and building up to this.

Being told you can return to full work I am SURE does not mean immediately, it means build up the horse to the full work.
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Depends what it is and in the case of Armas it was caught early and rather than let it set in and stabilise stiff. Some injuries/conditions do worse with rest. Soft tissue conditions particularly heal worse with rest than with stimulation as the scar tissue grades change with rest/work. I wouldn't call what Armas is doing full work. He does more than that galloping around his mansion with his mini shetland buddy! :D

Just using this as an example: many event horses with SI/Hock/fetlock joint "issues" get an injection and are pretty much back to work with a very short progression timetable! I know this as my friend had hock injections to her gelding and was back in work immediately... I was shocked tbh but years later he is going fine.

I was surprised when my physio gave me loads to do after my shoulder op to fix a ruptured tendon. I literally only had a week of rest, then started with some resistance training and by 6 weeks I was fully back to work!!! I was hauling hay bales after the first harvest after 3 months!!!
 
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I hear it's not uncommon for a horse of his breeding to have this sort of injury. I have a friend who's horse has been through something similar, and we think it's something that's been caused by his training over in Spain.
Her horse's training was never at the same level of training as yours Armas, she's had to start at really short sessions and build up.
Fitness may well have aided Armas's recovery. Look into supplement with green lip mussel in, as having used that on my lad, i've seen how much difference it really makes in his way of going (he had issues last spring, so I put him on this, he now has a maintenance dose, which i'll wean him off over the coming summer, recent checks have shown a very flexible horse).
 
I've just found this thread and couldnt leave without commenting...

My horse had a SI injury beginning of last year and had injections. The treatment plan i had from my vets was very similar to the one Armas has / had.

We did work building up - lunging, hacking, etc... the whole idea of the injections is it almost numbs the area so the horse is pain free so during that period where the injection is at its most affective i was told to work him (obviously starting slow and building over several weeks) to strengthen the area and muscles why he is pain free.

My horse responded so well to this plan - he was going so much better and was comfortable. He had vet checks regualarly and we increased his work according to the results from vet checks (after all, every horse is different so every care / after plan will be different).

My vet saw him trot up, on lunge, under saddle (flat work) and then after a while he advised to start to jumping. Mini gridwork etc as they make the him use the SI area and muscles to keep strengening up. Throughout his come back Joey was fab - I kept a close eye on him and he was a happy horse and was keen to work - i am a big believer that horses can tell you alot, if they aren't happy, sore etc they will let us know in some way.

I totally agree with what you are doing with Armas - it worked a treat for my horse and he now has a lovely built up strong back end. The vets are over the moon with him. I know im probably just fueling a few people now for some more comments after reading the previous but each horse is indvidual and the vets know what they are talking about... Keep your chin up and do what is right for YOUR horse. Keep me updated how he is. If you want any info on what i did or advise feel free to message me anytime.
 
every ones a vet and welfare official :rolleyes::rolleyes:

ahh well a, least your just cruel and not a troll :D

tbh i think the horse is looking better than ever, finally got some weight on and back to the shape that a pre should like.
 
I wouldn't be jumping him either.

Give him another 8 weeks quiet ridden work, building up to jumping. Where's the rush?
 
FWIW my horse had SI issues. He didn't jump until he had been back in work for 3 months and even now (8 months back in work) hasn't jumped as much as Armas in that video. I'll admit I've been gentle with him, but is it really worth the risk to you?
 
One could argue it looked poor before due to pain and it being made to work when lame.... Again I agree weight wise he looks a lot better.
 
I was amazed when the physio( and vet ) advised grid work thee times weekly lunging over raised poles for rehab for my Tb with no messing around but it worked.
I was allowed to hack put had to concentrate on the work, horse is transformed but thinking about physios are pretty tough on me.
 
Delicious_D said:
One could argue it looked poor before due to pain and it being made to work when lame.... Again I agree weight wise he looks a lot better.
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You become rather tedious after a while. Armas was never lame not the best hind movement but not lame. Every vet that saw him stated he was not lame.
When you become vet ill listen to what you have to say. Apart from that I am sorry but I am not interested.
To the other posters I must apologise for the above out burst as I am very much interested in your views. However D-D is like a dog with a bone some times.
When you comment on my horse and training methods you are always highly critical. Perhaps you should look back at some of your early posts about your horse,who it now turn out will never work again etc. I am very sorry for your horse and the fact that she is now unridable. I would never wish that on any one. However reflect upon what people wrote and how you felt in your posts.

At least I am not crying that I am going to run away and leave the forum.
 
Armas said:
You become rather tedious after a while. Armas was never lame not the best hind movement but not lame. Every vet that saw him stated he was not lame.
When you become vet ill listen to what you have to say. Apart from that I am sorry but I am not interested.
To the other posters I must apologise for the above out burst as I am very much interested in your views. However D-D is like a dog with a bone some times.
When you comment on my horse and training methods you are always highly critical. Perhaps you should look back at some of your early posts about your horse,who it now turn out will never work again etc. I am very sorry for your horse and the fact that she is now unridable. I would never wish that on any one. However reflect upon what people wrote and how you felt in your posts.

At least I am not crying that I am going to run away and leave the forum.
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And there he blows again. Armas, whether Dd IS like a dog with a bone... She didn't make personal comments about you, she gave her opinion on the horse and that is what the forum/your posts are about?
 
Armas said:
You become rather tedious after a while. Armas was never lame not the best hind movement but not lame. Every vet that saw him stated he was not lame.
When you become vet ill listen to what you have to say. Apart from that I am sorry but I am not interested.
To the other posters I must apologise for the above out burst as I am very much interested in your views. However D-D is like a dog with a bone some times.
When you comment on my horse and training methods you are always highly critical. Perhaps you should look back at some of your early posts about your horse,who it now turn out will never work again etc. I am very sorry for your horse and the fact that she is now unridable. I would never wish that on any one. However reflect upon what people wrote and how you felt in your posts.

At least I am not crying that I am going to run away and leave the forum.
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Wow...showing yourself up here Armas....

My comments were never personal to you, but it shows you how out of the loop you are...dee is ridable, she just isnt ridden atm as shes a brood mare.... come on keep up! If you are going to make digs at me, at least get your facts staright.

So you say armas was never lame butin your earlier posts say he was? I only ever said imho he wasnt right, and based on what iw as going through with delicia at the time i offered you advise. You continued to ignore a lot of posters, preferring to post pictures of your beautiful gelding... fair enough, your progative.

I am not a vet, but neither are the posters you do choose to accept. You seemingly only come on here for self gratification..if you wanted a vets advice only you wouldnt be posting of a forum.

As a 40+ year old male, you sure act like a premenstral woman sometimes....i dont know any men who require the adoration that you clearly do...its a little odd...

As for the personal post about myself....walk a mile in my shoes at the moment. You post about your wealth of a number of occassions and boast about the beautiful surroundings you find yourself lucky to have. And you are that, lucky. You have no idea about me, what my life is like, nor how Delicia is. You dont know me nor i you.

I think you jumping armas liek you did is really you trying to sock it to everyone....all your posts on all the forums you frequaint (it isnt hard to find them) are the same 'look at me look at me'. I post about dee becuase i feel blessed to have her and share that, you seem to post to make yourself look better.

The litte respect i had for you when you realised something was up and did soemthing about it is go. I suggest you have the bone and a bad one at that. I pitty you, and feel sorry for you, and if you ever feel the need to apologised for your comments ill accept and that will be the end of it. You come across quiet lonely.
 
Now now kids! C'mon, kiss n make up time! Or no pudding...

It's apple crumble with vanilla custard!!!
 
When i was a kid, i wouldnt eat the crumble as i had issues with my teeth and it hurt, but i would eat the yummy apple and custard :)

Brought back good memories there :)

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Poor pony is hating the enforced time off im giving her ;)

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Armas said:
You become rather tedious after a while. Armas was never lame not the best hind movement but not lame. Every vet that saw him stated he was not lame.
When you become vet ill listen to what you have to say. Apart from that I am sorry but I am not interested.
To the other posters I must apologise for the above out burst as I am very much interested in your views. However D-D is like a dog with a bone some times.
When you comment on my horse and training methods you are always highly critical. Perhaps you should look back at some of your early posts about your horse,who it now turn out will never work again etc. I am very sorry for your horse and the fact that she is now unridable. I would never wish that on any one. However reflect upon what people wrote and how you felt in your posts.

At least I am not crying that I am going to run away and leave the forum.
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Spiteful! From a man too.:eek:
 
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Poor pony is hating the enforced time off im giving her ;)

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She really is beautiful ! I bet you cannot wait for a mini D :)
 
Nope :D shes being teased at the moment by a welsh section a stallion to test her cycles....he's got ideas of grandure i can tell you :O (would never reach my 17hh mare but i dont trust her not to crouch to help ;) ). Off to vets next week (weather and seasons permitting)
 
Delicious_D said:
Nope :D shes being teased at the moment by a welsh section a stallion to test her cycles....he's got ideas of grandure i can tell you :O (would never reach my 17hh mare but i dont trust her not to crouch to help ;) ). Off to vets next week (weather and seasons permitting)
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Brought back some disturbing memories of a late gelded shetland attempting to mount a 15hh cobs shoulder :D:cool:

Eeek how exciting ! I have been following her updates .. make sure you tell us how it goes :)
 
I will do :) bit concerned as Dads operation is on the same day as dee is at the vets. But im crap in hospitals (slight phobia) so would be useless there ;). Besides, he says he would rather i was with dee then fretting outside in a waiting room :S
 
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I will do :) bit concerned as Dads operation is on the same day as dee is at the vets. But im crap in hospitals (slight phobia) so would be useless there ;). Besides, he says he would rather i was with dee then fretting outside in a waiting room :S
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Ah i know the feeling i hate them too, make myself physically ill if i stay in one to long.. so god knows what would happen if i actually had to stay over night :D well i hope it all goes well either way :)
 
Its a good thing i was pretty much paralysed the last time i was in (my back) as i would have discharged myself!!

Hospitals scare me...i was almost OD'ed on morphine when the person doing the drugs previous hadnt updated my notes, thank god i woke up in time! :O
 
Delicious_D said:
As a 40+ year old male, you sure act like a premenstral woman sometimes....i dont know any men who require the adoration that you clearly do...its a little odd...
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Every single man I know over 40 fits that description, D.

No offence intended, Armas. I just seem to know a lot of insecure, menopausal men :p

Armas is beautiful and very VERY clean. I won't comment on your management of his injury as know nothing about it.
 
amymay said:
I wouldn't be jumping him either.

Give him another 8 weeks quiet ridden work, building up to jumping. Where's the rush?
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Come come Amymay, I am sure that jumping the horse up to 3.30 is a vital part of his recovery programme... tsk, do you not know anything?!:rolleyes:
 
Delicious_D said:
Wow...showing yourself up here Armas....

My comments were never personal to you, but it shows you how out of the loop you are...dee is ridable, she just isnt ridden atm as shes a brood mare.... come on keep up! If you are going to make digs at me, at least get your facts staright.

So you say armas was never lame butin your earlier posts say he was? I only ever said imho he wasnt right, and based on what iw as going through with delicia at the time i offered you advise. You continued to ignore a lot of posters, preferring to post pictures of your beautiful gelding... fair enough, your progative.

I am not a vet, but neither are the posters you do choose to accept. You seemingly only come on here for self gratification..if you wanted a vets advice only you wouldnt be posting of a forum.

As a 40+ year old male, you sure act like a premenstral woman sometimes....i dont know any men who require the adoration that you clearly do...its a little odd...

As for the personal post about myself....walk a mile in my shoes at the moment. You post about your wealth of a number of occassions and boast about the beautiful surroundings you find yourself lucky to have. And you are that, lucky. You have no idea about me, what my life is like, nor how Delicia is. You dont know me nor i you.

I think you jumping armas liek you did is really you trying to sock it to everyone....all your posts on all the forums you frequaint (it isnt hard to find them) are the same 'look at me look at me'. I post about dee becuase i feel blessed to have her and share that, you seem to post to make yourself look better.

The litte respect i had for you when you realised something was up and did soemthing about it is go. I suggest you have the bone and a bad one at that. I pitty you, and feel sorry for you, and if you ever feel the need to apologised for your comments ill accept and that will be the end of it. You come across quiet lonely.
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A brood mare with kissing spine thats a caring owner for you.

Yep I am a 40 year old male and comfortable in my own skin, and most certainly do not need adoration :rolleyes:

Bost about my wealth would you like to qualify that statement with some facts ? I am lucky to live in nice surroundings but don't harp on about that. I have never posted any reference or internal pictures of my home. I only ever post horse related pictures and videos on a horse forum.

I don't know you and certainly would not want to especially given how spiteful you have been to some posters on a certain American forum.

Lonely hey better than insecure. I certainly don't need your pity or want it.

Again I follow the vet's advice for my horses health and wellbeing.
 
So now im not a caring owner? wow...

again..keep up...after the xrays and nuclear scintigraphy and 3 x course of steroids followed by another scan, it was worked out whilst dee's spine showed a nartrowing of ehr spina processes...that wasnt the issue and was cause no pain or discomfort, she had soft tissue injury on her SI/pelvis. ;)

But sure, im an uncaring owner....

Grow up darling.

BTW if i am bad and cruel, by all means call the RSPCA and pm me and ill give you the yard dee is at ;)
 
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Armas said:
A brood mare with kissing spine thats a caring owner for you.

Yep I am a 40 year old male and comfortable in my own skin, and most certainly do not need adoration :rolleyes:

Bost about my wealth would you like to qualify that statement with some facts ? I am lucky to live in nice surroundings but don't harp on about that. I have never posted any reference or internal pictures of my home. I only ever post horse related pictures and videos on a horse forum.

I don't know you and certainly would not want to especially given how spiteful you have been to some posters on a certain American forum.

Lonely hey better than insecure. I certainly don't need your pity or want it.

Again I follow the vet's advice for my horses health and wellbeing.
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I can't believe this, from a grown man. Come on Armas grow some, if you don't like it, ignore it!
 
If this is some pathetic attempt to upset me, dont bother :rolleyes:

I have far more important things to worry about then your opinion of me Armas, no offence, i wont 'break down and cry' if you dont like me *feins a sniffle*

As for delicia, dont ever question that i dont think of the welfare of my horse, the bloody cheek of you! Numerous people told you armas was lame and you continued to ignore it preferring to boast about riding him twice a day instead and posting daily videos...thats your choice.

Delicia never went lame until august and the minute she did, vets, physios, farrier etc came out. If you honestly believe i would selfishly put my horses health at harm to put her in foal, you are sadly mistaken, and to say otherwise is both viscious and insuting. You comment about my treatment of bigben...yes i admit, i was horrid, i appologised to her. You haev brought it up in a spiteful comment and yet think you are better? You honestly believe with your spiteful comments you are above repremand yourself? Nice try.
 
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