Allowing horse to roll in school while others schooling ...!!??!!

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I am on a yard recently converted to a 'natural horsemanship yard' - now whilst I have respect for people who wish to follow this , I am what they would class as a traditional 'english style' horse person and am getting increasingly annoyed by these people's lack of respect for my style of riding!

Yesterday just about topped it off when whilst two of us were already in the indoor school riding and two people came in with their horses on parelli long lines, firstly it was bad enough when they took up a good half of the school so we couldn't even ride on the track (but with gritted teeth I carried on)............ then............. one let her horse roll, not once, not twice but 3 times! They stood laughing!

I immediately left the school before I blew my top and said something I later regretted.

Now I think this is a) incredibly dangerous and b) showed total disregard for those of us riding. When confronted about the issued later those concerned could not see what the problem was.

Am I being unreasonable for getting really pee'd off about this??
 
i would be annoyed and i never let mine roll unless turned out loose.
i have a girl riding tom a few days at the moment as she doesnt have anything to ride and she let him roll on the leadrope when she was walking him off the other day and guess what .. went to ride yesterday in the school and he tried to roll with me on him!
 
I would have gone mad!! Perhaps you could voice your anger at the YO. I was always taught firstly to ask if it was ok to enter the arena if others were already in there and secondly to ask if it was ok to lunge whilst others are riding.

Personally I do not like the idea of having horses lunged whilst people are riding as I think it is dangerous!!

Well done for keeping a lever head - I think I would have exploded!
 
Oh my word,
your not being unreasonable, no way!! I wouldve flipped my top.
I feel for you being on a 'natural horsemanship yard' we have some on our yard and safe to say you cannot possibly school while they are in there faffing around.
As for what they did, i see that as dangerous, imagine if your horse spooked or something. As far as i' m concerned horses roll in the field & their stable not in a bloo*y occupied school!!
 
I'd be quite annoyed at them coming in and taking more space than they should of done in the first place!
My horses are unable to get up from rolling without out squealing, rearing, cantering off etc so I def. wouldn't want that happening in an indoor school where I was riding hehe!
What were they doing with their horses? Or were they just standing there with them seeing what they'd do?

I wouldn't be happy about the situation
 
Not sure what a 'natural horsemanship' yard is but I see no reason why long standing and perfectly adequate etticate should have to be ignored in its name; riders take precedent over lungers. Even more than that there are health and safety risks that need to be considered and I'm sure that any personal accident/public liability insurance cover would disappear from a claim under those circumstance.

I think you are being completey reasonable and I would take it up with the YO.
 
that sounds hurrendous.

We do tend to occasionally lunge and school in the same school but both parties are mindfull of each other. However, much to my embarressment, when I wasn't quick enough, my gelding used to roll when lunged
 
I would be FURIOUS! Absolutely fuming! Well done you for getting out of the school without blowing your top!

Re. long lining/lungeing, if I was in there lunging first and somebody came to ride then they would come in at their peril, I certainly wouldn't stop. However, if somebody was riding and I came to lunge I would ask if it were ok as I'm aware it takes up a large part of the school. Sometimes if I wish to lunge then I will book the school and put that I am lunging but willing to share.

I think you should def speak to the YO, as the rolling in the school is a safety concern imo. Best of luck.
 
LOL reminds me of the other week, friend and I had hired the indoor arena of a local college do give her young horse its 1st outing. Started working when someone from the college asked to come in (complete with large ball!!!), we agreed on the condition the ball wasn't bounced (explained that was the young horses 1st outing). Blow me 15min late the daft cow having 'allegdely been getting horse to kick the ball' (not much choice when forced to walk straight towards it), she started walking round her horse clapping/banging and tossing the ball in the air. I politely asked her to piss off!!!! Having ask what part of please do not bounce the ball she didn't understand!!!!
 
Sounds like you need to take it up with your YO as to how may are in allowed in the school at one time, I think everyone should have the right to work their horse alone in a quiet environment without any distractions.

The fact that they let there horse roll wouldn't concern me, just the fact that they were there, in your way and didn't have the manners to say ''it is ok if we come in the school, will you have enough room or we'll stay out of you way''etc

Having said that at least you have an indoor school to work in, we have an outdoor one which 3 sides of it is part of the fencing to two of our yards fields, where some breeding mares are kept, so when they all start tanking off and going stupid, chances are your doing the same lol
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and the yhave a habit of putting there heads over the fence and watching....again a real pain when your riding a horse who thinks he's a the only male on the yard.
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i would be more peeved if they took up 1/2 the school than about the horse rolling.

i cannot see the problem specifically with the horse rolling, as long as it didn't go mad as it got up!

i am at a parelli yard too and have stopped letting people share the school with me as they set up obstacle courses and take up 80% of the arena while i am trying to school 'traditionally.'
 
I would had to say something, the school/arena/menage is meant for teaching (or exercising since my horse refuses to learn!) a horse, be it on the ground, on the lunge or on it's back.

Letting your horse roll is not teaching it anything, it is not exercise it's just a p!ss take. It's also dangerous to boot! Had soemone been on a young horse it could easily have set them off.
 
Thank goodness I am not alone in feeling the way I do! Thank you for that!

The problem is YO is a 'Natural Horsemanship' person and tbh she just tends to side with them at every turn, and we are beiginning to feel like we are being edged out. I don't particularly wish to move yards as other things about it suit me, plus I loan my horse and his owner has another one there and they/us tend to come as a pair so it is not totally my decision.

It's just that yesterday's event was what I would consider very dangerous ......... 'we' are not allowed to lunge in the indoor school but 'they' are allowed to use their parelli lines and do ground work and circling (whats the difference safety wise to lunging??) 'we' can be riding yet 'they' will just come in and take over a large amount of space with not so much as a word ...........

I don't disrespect their 'style' but it would be nice if occassionally they had some regard for us to! I am feeling that soon there will be a big blow up between the two!!

Which is a shame because generally, yard as a whole, we all get on really well, better than most yards as generally there is not much bitching or clicky groups etc..

I do feel we are heading for rough seas if it continues though!!
 
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Ahhhh.......... but it did! It is a very flighty failed race horse that lady has hardly any control over on the end of a long parelli line ........... hence half of my worries
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this happened to me!!!
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i was riding my horse in the arena when some lady bought her horse in n started to let it role...........well my horse on the yard was renound for boulting with me (not me loosing control but actually horse loosing mind. one minute fine next gone) he bolted while her horse was rolling n i only missed a collision due to a friend standing her horse infront of the rolling horse. then stupid lady with rolling horse shouted at ME!
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some people are so dense its untrue.........sorry to join in the rant but u did very well to keep quiet
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Oh dear, so she will probably be happy for them to start bouncing balls roun the school next too.
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Oh dear, so she will probably be happy for them to start bouncing balls roun the school next too.
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Yep - had that too !! (just not at same time
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I'd have been annoyed about being squeezed off the outside track, and asked them to just let me have space to carry on schooling. The rolling wouldn't bother me, now would any kind of groundwork being done - as long as they didn't cut across any obvious lines I was following when riding.
I'd see a little bit of unusual stuff going on as a learning opportunity for my horse I suppose.
Maybe it's time for a quiet chat over a cuppa with your YO, just to say you're not against anything the Parelli people do, but it would be nice if a few ground rules could be agreed so that everyone could enjoy the arena.
 
I wonder if perhaps it would be an idea to suggest time slots?

Those who choose to do Parelli/ground work can use the school at this time and those who want to do ridden work at another time?

I don't know how big your yard is or whether it would work but there must be something proactive you can do.

'Them and us' attitudes only ever cause friction. You like your yard so you are going to have to work out a way to work with them rather than against them.
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Good luck and try not to blow your top.
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I think its completely unacceptable to allow your horse to play and roll while other people are trying to work in the school. We are not allowed to lunge if someone else is riding in the school, partly because its dangerous and partly because our school is not enormous (well, 20x40), and there simply isn't room.
 
If the horse is attached to the handler I don't see why it's dangerous.
However if they are taking up half the school and you can't work your horse that is unfair, riding should take priority over lungeing
 
But didn't the OP say they weren't allowed to lunge in the indoor school at all?
In which case surely no long-lines or loose schooling or anything without the rider being firmly on the horses back??!
Unless the "traditional" riders are allowed to lunge inside I don't see why the "natural horsemanship" should be allowed to do their stuff?
 
Long reining and lunging are two completely different things.

I personally can't see what was dangerous about the situation - surely everyone has eyes in their heads and can see other handlers in the arena? Lack of manners perhaps in them getting in the way of the track, so tell them, as you would another rider.
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If the handler cannot handle the horse ridden/on ground/whatever, then that is a different matter and as such perhaps best not being in the school at the same time, or ask her to wait till you have finished. Can't see a problem with a horse rolling under correct supervision though.
 
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