Am I wrong to be annoyed?

Pearlsasinger said:
I should imagine that she is annoyed as much as anything by the lack of action or apology from the dog's owner.

I can think of two posters on this thread that I would not allow on my yard, if they think that this kind of behaviour is acceptable. How bizarre. I do sometimes think that some people take a particular view just to be provocative.
Yes OP, of course you were right to be annoyed, I'd have been tempted to kick the dog (or its owner) myself.
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I am totally with this!! OP has every right to be more than annoyed!! Dog owners need to be made responsible for their dogs behaviour and hanging onto a ponies tail is not good behaviour!! The whole outcome could have been disastrous!! Dogs are predators, horses are prey animals...THINK!!!
 
I'm with Pearlsasinger on this one.

And I hate how the leap is made to hysterical horse owner.

Hey while people are busy being irresponsible and blaming everyone else, why not left fluffy loose in with some sheep and lambs. I know what the farmers around here would do. Fluffy would be dead.

Right to be annoyed. Definitely. Just because something didn't happen this time doesn't mean it won't next time. And then the OP will be be the one paying up.

Terri
 
Of course you are right to be annoyed OP. the dog was out of control and you didn't even get an apology. The fact that nothing bad happened is not the point.
An out of control dog went for my horse the other week and I came off and horse galloped off. Luckily no harm was done but there could have been serious harm. I also didn't get an apology and was annoyed.
 
Well OP I think that you are right to be annoyed, I would be peeved if someone allowed their dog to do this to my horse and i think you were right to say something to the owner at the time, however you can't live in a world of "what ifs" and nothing did happen. Your horses were well behaved and no real harm done at the time.

However this isn't exceptable behaviour, dogs should be under control, its rude and could be dangerous. if you feel strongly about it have a word with the YO.

Our yard your allowed dogs which are under control, on leads so perhaps this rule needs to be imposed on your yard?

I must admit (I own a dog) I hate seeing dogs down the yard...it's a livery not a kennels, taking your dog and tying it outside your stable while you ride doesn't constitute taking it for a walk!! I've seen a dog get stood on and broke its foot as the owner was leading her horse to the field whilst walking the dog at the same time...madness.

It's not about getting your horse or dog used to each other it's about manners and I do think in this case the dog owner was in the wrong.
 
I just don't get it? I would be extremely annoyed I have dogs on the yard, they chase around, follow the horses hack out with us and its great the horses are happy with dogs but if one of mine ever made contact with its teeth, jeeze it would be well aware that it should not do that again.
Yes I would see it as a training opportunity for both dog and horse but in this case whilst pleasing that the horse didn't react I'd be cross at the other liveries response and lack of appology
 
I would be annoyed. Due to an accident I have barely any strength in one of my hands. My yard is very quiet and secure and I can bring two in together. They are used to the several yard owner's dogs who run around very close to them..no problems. Last week a new livery's dog ran out of the bushes at my mare's legs and dog almost got its head kicked off. Dog has been under control since and I had no problem.

However, when my foal was born last summer another livery's dog chased him to the point of him falling over..I was furious as she did not recall the dog whilst she was barking at him. To this day that particular dog gets put away when I bring the youngster in.I had every right to be annoyed on that occasion and it was NOT good experience. It is the response of the dog owner which makes the difference I think. I am quite amazed at some of the responses here. Dogs should be kept under control and it is not the responsibility of everyone else to put up with them.
 
Just to add (and I love dogs and have 3 .. Who do not go to the yard)..just because I love my horses and want to be with them...doesn't mean I want loads of other people'
 
I'm pretty certain that it is classed as an offence to have a dog out of control in a public place. It could also be classed as worrying livestock.

I have also had a dalmation hanging from my horses tail when out hacking, she didn't kick but I half wish she had. I didn't get a photo at the time.

If there's one thing that annoys me it is irresponsible ownership, the dog owner was irresponsible in this instance.
 
Leviathan said:
its the principle

yard Manager was walking two horses sensibly to their stables, a livery dog ran and grabbed the tail .

You keep saying nothing happened whats the problem. Well nothing as in no one got hurt this time but the dog has learnt its ok to do this.

next time might not be so lucky maybe horse jumps ont OP and do a horrific injury like cinnamontoast has just received when a horse did the similar thing that could have happened a horse knocked her to the ground when it move d away from something it did not like


http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=600258. < this is horrific

This could have happened to OP accidents do and can happen.

My mum always said don't jump on the bed, i ignored her many times and continued, don't jump on the bed she said you might injure yourself, i thought nah nothing will happen - well one day it did I knocked my front tooth out now i have a false one.

its like saying well go hacking with no high viz i got back ok so no need for it - then one day it might be too late driver dosen't see you = one horse accident.

Remember cry wolf story????


This dog hanging on A horses tail is an accident waiting to happen. IMO and a few others it would seem
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exactly!!

mainpower said:
OP is not over-reacting IMO. My horses are used to my lurchers dashng about, my lurchers are used to the horses. But one day one of my dogs ran up behind a horse that I was turning out, couldn't see exactly what happened, but the outcome was a lurcher with a broken leg. She had to have it amputated and her shoulder blade removed. I was lucky that my vet bill was only £500.
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That's a 'cheap' bill for horse related dog injury - my sister's lurcher came racing up the line where our horses were tied up (she knew fine well it wasn't allowed and was supposed to be in the field with my sister but threw a dafty :rolleyes:) She smacked into the back of my mare's leg, mare was a star and all she did was lift her foot and put it back down, unfortunately she put it down on top of the dogs foot. Que dog franctically pulling and tugging to get free, mare looked round and lifted foot with an expression as if to say 'well what did you put it under there for'. Dog ended up with a month of bandage changes every two days trying to save her toes (she had degloved them tugging as well as dislocating one). She ended up loosing one toe but somehow didn't break the upper part of her leg - probably because my mare doesn't have shoes on. Que vet bill of over £900 - thank the lord for insurance.

This goes to show how easy it is for something simple that in 9/10 cases the dog wouldn't have been stood on but there is always the chance and the dog paid the price.
 
Another example is.
dog runs grabs horses tail horse ok with it no harm done right

example
your are one of these that don't wear a seatbelt in the car go for 100's journeys nothing happened.

what is the problem,?????

THEN

one time dog does this tragedy strikes to horse/driver rider


one car journey you have a crash tragedy happens


always keep dog in control a leash is there for a reason

always wear a seatbelt its there for a reason

~~~~PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE~~~~
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I'd be annoyed also at the dog owners attitude. Simply put, the owner had no control over her dog, it wouldn't come to call so she shouldn't have it off the leads in a public place.
 
It's funny, the people (usual suspects) saying what's the fuss, would be the first ones to tell a poster to train their horse properly if it kicked out or was rude in any way, yet find it not a problem for some ill mannered dog and owner to do as they please. Weird...

I wouldn't be annoyed at the situation, I'd be pleased that my horses were so level headed, BUT I would be furious at the other livery's inadequate reaction to the situation and would put in a formal complaint with the YO. I have done this at a previous yard when we had a dogs off lead policy and continually certain dogs were allowed to behave anti socially, ie going into my mare's paddock and winding her up when she was on strict rest for a tendon injury. Not acceptable to me, so I dealt with it, face to face and politely to start, but when it continued, I got a dogs on leads policy from the YO. I won't tolerate stupidity and that is what it was, as despite being a saint when hacking with dogs, my mare is highly intelligent and territorial, she would most certainly have ended up dealing with the irritation in her space her way and that would have not been positive outcome for the dog. I love dogs, so since the owner was incapable of sorting the situation, I did.
 
I know of two Alsations... one used to go round, jumping up and trying to bite the horses on the nose. The other actually went into a field on the yard and chased a two sheep.. one died of shock, the other sheep? Survived, but had serious wounds from where the dog had mauled it.
These two were yard dogs.
It's all very well desensitising horses to dogs, but if that dog was to draw blood, who's to say he's not going to like the taste and go back for a bigger helping?
 
EllenJay said:
No double standards - no harm done - so no reason to get annoyed. The horse wasn't upset, the dog asn't hurt. The OP was only worried about something that didn't happen. There is enough in ths world to worry about things that do happen without worrying about things that do not happen.

The OP is WRONG to be annoyed - question answered
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The op is not wrong to be annoyed, why should her horses and herself be put at risk by someone who quite clearly cant control their dogs, it astonishes me that some people with attitudes like yours think that because youre alright with your dogs running amok that others will be as well.
 
Leviathan said:
Dogs on a yard is the dog owners responsibility if they cannot control, their dog off lead it should be on lead or off the yard period.
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100% agree with this.

You have every right to be annoyed.

If you however punched the person in the face.. then sure - maybe a bit of an over reaction... :p

If it happened to me id be pissed, id accept an apology from the dog owner, and ask them politely to keep their dog under control when there are others horses around.


If they didnt even see that there was somthing wrong enough to apologise about.. id bring in an instant no dogs on yard rule. If they cant think to control their dog in that situation - then what else would it do!

Dont get me wrong, I love dogs. If it were my dog id be mortified, give him a telling off and never let him off the lead around horses again until he learnt some manners!!

What if it were the other way around. You took your horse to a kennels - and the horse grabbed a random dog by the tail.... would you give the horse a row and apologise to the dogs owner? Or not bother your bum to do anything.. even if " no harm done" :confused:
 
I have no problem with well trained dogs being brought to stables, unfortunately most are not. Dog owners seem to think that their dog is well trained if it comes when called, no it isn't, it shouldn't have run off in the first place. They crap all over the place & the owner normally has no idea where they've been so doesn't pick up after them so someone else ends up doing it. All this crapping & peeing happens in someones stable, over someones rugs, over someones hay etc & happens away from the dog owner so they don't see the problem. When they don't see the problem they go into denial saying it's not their dog that's done it, it's someone elses.

I'm not anti dog, I've had dogs for 30 years & mine are trained & stay where they are put & they don't cause problems for other liveries. Animals running around the horses is not right & should not be encouraged.
 
I'm surprised that anyone thinks that dogs don't hang off tails. I know two farm collies who could be observed doing it on a daily basis when horses when too and from the field. They used to hack out with the horses too and all were used to eachother but still one got kicked and broke a leg doing it once. I wouldn't be happy with someone having that sort of attitude to their dog's behaviour OP.
 
Tell the YO and let them deal with it. Dogs should be kept under control. OK - nothing happened this time but what if you were crouched down oiling hooves or similar and this dog tried it on again but this time it took one of your girls by surprise?
 
A dog did this to my mare once while we were out for a hack. She kicked it off, not hard, but it yelped a bit. I have to admit I didn't tell her off for it as I'd have done the same myself.

Since then she has been very wary of that particular dog walker, and any strange dogs (had previously been fine).

I don't see why people think dogs would not do this, I have seen several do this with cows and horses.

So I'm one who thinks OP is right to be annoyed with dog owner. Ill-behaved, free range dogs are a menace.
 
Well Mahoosive eyebrows, i no if this happened on the yard i'm at, are yard owner would jump straight on to this situation, as are yard owner's always like to keep there livery's happy, WELL THAT IS AS LONG AS WE KEEP THEM HAPPY ie: PAY ARE BILLS, AND ARE NOT ALWAYS MOANING AT THEM!!!!!!!!!!
 
Debt collector said:
Have you thought about speaking to the owner of the yard regarding this situation?????????
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mahoosive eyebrows said:
Agree with Debt Collector. Maybe you should try speaking to the yard owner!!
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Debt collector said:
Well Mahoosive eyebrows, i no if this happened on the yard i'm at, are yard owner would jump straight on to this situation, as are yard owner's always like to keep there livery's happy, WELL THAT IS AS LONG AS WE KEEP THEM HAPPY ie: PAY ARE (our?) BILLS, AND ARE NOT ALWAYS MOANING AT THEM!!!!!!!!!!
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:confused: Am I the only one that feels as if I've missed something? Debt Collector post count is 2 and Mahoosive Eyebrows post count is 1, ME's reply essentially dittoed DB's first reply, which made DC respond back to ME with partly shouty capital letters?

Admittedly, I only opened the thread again to read the last few unread replies, but as I recall, liveries not paying their bills and yet moaning to their yard owner about something, haven't been part of the subject on this thread before DC's last reply, or has it?
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Oh well, I suppose it is neither the first nor the last time that I've lost the plot. :)
 
Am I the only one that has had a sheep hanging off my horse's tail?:D
Seriously, it's a very tame, young, curious ewe that is into everything...and follows the horses trying to nibble their tails!
 
Landcruiser said:
Am I the only one that has had a sheep hanging off my horse's tail?:D
Seriously, it's a very tame, young, curious ewe that is into everything...and follows the horses trying to nibble their tails!
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No you're not, and I spent a fortune on bite stop spray cos it was literally eating her tail!
 
No, I don't think you are wrong to be annoyed at all. As it happened, all was fine, and your filly was a good girl and didn't react.

However, it could have been a very different scenario with dog being booted and filly bolting off easily.

We have two collie dogs down the lane from the yard who are constantly going for our horses legs. Personally I often wish one of the horses would boot them into next year and put a stop to it.

We have a working collie who wouldn't dream of doing anything like that, but these two are not working dogs.

If you are going to allow dogs to roam 'free range', I would expect the dogs to behave, and that one clearly doesn't and I would expect the owner to either train it properly, or keep it on a lead where it can't cause trouble.
 
so irresponsible of dog owner,u shud report it to yard manager,they shud get onto it straight away if ur one of the good liveries that pay well and on time then they will help u have a word with dog owner,if u dont pay livery then they wont stand up for u i suppose.....
 
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