Americans blow Harry's cover in Afghanistan

Well the yanks probably haven't had the opportunity to bomb any of our troops recently so they may as well give the Taliban some help in finding a suitable target.
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I think Harry has done a pretty good job of finding out who he is and the best way he can do something for his country.
My partner is out there at the moment and it was a known thing that he has been there for a while but he is just Harry Wales and his concern as a young 'subbie' are his men. A point that he made clear.I do not envy his 'choices' for life one bit. I mean he could be like Edward? saying that when his wife tried to carry on working she was slammed. They are damed if they do and damed if they dont. In my mind he is doing the right thing.
One of the most amazing things was to watch the flag go up when i represented my country, what amazing things do you do JM07???
 
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One of the most amazing things was to watch the flag go up when i represented my country, what amazing things do you do JM07???

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I can't speak for JM07, only for myself. I feel that although you no doubt worked hard to represent your country (I am assuming in a sporting capacity), it was also a privilege - and one not afforded to many people. The vast majority who would like to represent their country simply do not have the resources or opportunities available to them. It is not really a fair comparison with fighting in a war. Most of us do our bit for our country by paying taxes and in general being responsible members of society.
 
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oh come on, Sooty...he didnt "sign up"!!!

if he wasnt in the Army, what else would he be doing??

collecting jobseekers??
my reaction is that i'm not a royalist....my choice, so im assuming i can voice it?

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I'm not a royalist, though I'm not particularly anti-royal either, but I do admire what he's doing.

His status is an accident of birth, just like it is an accident of birth that his brother is the heir and he's the spare.
It would have been easy for him to take some cushy job at home, rather than be on the front line, but he has chosen to put his training to good use and get out there.

There are plenty of spongers in life, from the royals who live off the tax payer, to people who live a lifestyle paid for by wealthy parents instead of paying their own way.

At least he is making his own way as far as he is able to do, within the restrictions of being a royal.
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i dont really see your point.Mine was simple i was happy to make the sacrifices that i ahd too make and i do know and feel proud to know that i did that for my country. My other half feels proud of the union jack that he wears on his sleeve and i well know what kind of effort it takes, i also know the sacrifices he and his and other families like our and his have to make.
I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth and no-one has given me anything but that does not mean i wish to denigrate the effort that Harry has made . As for JM07 the comments would have had more gravitas if they had been delivered in a more eloquent manner.
i feel my question is a valid one . What extraordinary things does any of us do? and what are the motivations?
 
I honestly don't know if there is an answer to that, because what may be extraordinary to one person, and a real sacrifice, may be the dream of another and have no real personal cost at all. It is impossible to tell from the outside. As we do not (at the moment) have conscription, we must assume that everyone in the armed forces is there because they want to be. There is no doubt that they are vital, and the country needs and should appreciate them, but it is their choice to take that path. I cannot begin to understand what would motivate someone to join up, but then I do not understand why someone would want to be, for example, an undertaker, but I am very happy that there are people who are happy to fulfill all these roles!
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It as not meant (I don't think) to be a comparable......iut was a comparable about being patriotic.

I am a huge patriot, I love this country, and everything it represents. My OH is HM Forces and I am so incredibly proud of him for doing what he does. He has been sausage side and I for one give him my support and backing 110% of the way.

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I am patriotic, but not in the American 'saluting the flag' sort of way. It is quite unfashionable to be patriotic these days, we are not supposed to be proud of anything we as a nation have achieved or have become. Instead, we are supposed to be making endless apologies for all the wrongs we have inflicted on everyone over the last millennium. Ho hum.
 
I don't post on here very often just look to see what is going on as for the fact that yes Harry is over there can be seen as a very good thing the fact that it has now been leaked not only puts this young boys life at possible risk it also possibly could endanger a lot of other if they were to get caught in anything over there. I also have a friend based over there who said that it is not pleasant and it is dangerous as wars are but that having him over there is asking for trouble.

Although I agree he should be given a chance on the whole going to war front as he signed up he should go like all the others

Right now that bit has been said as for all the other things said I don't agree with JM07 on a lot of things she says as is apparent by others but she is not semi-literate she is an extremely intelligent person who just like to speak her mind and if that upsets people then so be it, speaking from knowing her for 28 yrs
 
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what amazing things do you do JM07???

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nothing really....
i give the odd pint of blood when the waggon turns up...
i'm on the bone marrow register...

a few other things that i dont call amazing and i wouldnt disscuss on here, but others have said "good for you"....

so no, nothing really...
 
As an American now permanently living in England, I would like to apologise for the completely disgusting behaviour of whomever blew HRH Harry's cover. It put everyone in danger, not just him. I know you all get a laugh over the "friendly-fire" comments you make, but please, I have a son in the U.S. Navy who flies jets...I hold my breath every moment I think of him. He is in danger too and fighting for his country and yours...excuse me-"ours" as I love this country as much as my own.
I have great respect for what Harry has done. It is just a shame that some idiot had to look for his 15 minutes of fame by putting one of our Princes in such danger! I hope he has his 15 minutes of hell as payback.
I cannot believe the people who take pot-shots at the Royal Family. Yes, some I am sure are useless, but anyone who watches what HM The Queen does each and every day at her advanced age and thinks she does nothing, needs to get a reality check.
How would you like to account to a whole country for every tiny thing you do 24/7...I know I couldn't hack it.
God Save The Queen!
 
who ever it was - and radio 4 has just said a british newspaper began it all, but lets face it if it was some hick weekly, that no one reads, and no one seems to have noticed the aussie, either - whoever it was, it was despicable.
Why ? What was the point, exactly?
 
I'm really cross about the whole situation, I think whoever blew his cover should be tracked down and then tried for treason. How dare they.

For what it's worth I like the Royals but that aside all Harry's comrades have been put in additional danger by the unspeakable behaviour of some little wannabe reporter.
 
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I'm really cross about the whole situation, I think whoever blew his cover should be tracked down and then tried for treason. How dare they.


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Yes, you have a point. Why don't they do that? I'm sure it's still possible!
 
There are so many things going on politically behind closed doors that we probably cant even imagine.

I feel a little sorry for JM07 her comments are attention seeking i feel rather than open opinions. She's prob real nice in RL but likes to add that' shock factor' to posts.
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I feel a little sorry for JM07 her comments are attention seeking i feel rather than open opinions.

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No they are offensive comments and racist too - and I am not a PC person.

I have no firm feelings either way about the Royal family but admire Harry for going to one of the most dangerous areas in the world.
 
Comments were below the belt JM - really, what is the problem with the royal family? (and the fact, that yes, they are pretty Germanic, but I am sure that many monarchies throughout time have been fundamentally the breeding of different nationalities to form alliances!) The Royal Family have lost really any political function, but are still one of the remaining factors that define 'Britishness' in this country, and I have to say, this 'Britishness' is rapidly declining.

It is highly unlikely that Harry will ever be King, and therefore has made the decision to go and fight for his country. Putting himself on the frontline, believing in something so much that you are willing to put your life on the line, that is something that really no one can argue with. How dare you make derogatory comments like that, it shows a closed and introverted uneducated view on political history ( can you not tell that I am a historian!).

It amazes me that it was a British tabloid, and a right wing one, that brought down Harry. They would have known as soon as the story was published that Harry would be withdrawn. Yes, it was a money-spinner for them, but, I am sure that they could have honed in on a different story - at the same time, the Mail and Telegraph were merrily running a story on how the Police are going to be trained in Sharia Law. Yes, these stories would receive the necessary outcry to produce a spike in sales, rather than causing the political instability that has now insued between MoD and the Government.

And, stop blaming the Americans for everything. Yes, crap war, but they know that too - it is just hard to pull out. Ask many Americans and they are as anti it as you, but there is little that can be done. Stop generalising nations, especially a nation which on various occasions has helped you out immeasurably! (hmmm....1941.....JM, otherwise you possibly would be German now). You wonder why in 1776 they signed the Declaration of Independence! Saying that, at that point they also sided with the French....
 
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Comments were below the belt JM - really, what is the problem with the royal family? (and the fact, that yes, they are pretty Germanic, but I am sure that many monarchies throughout time have been fundamentally the breeding of different nationalities to form alliances!) The Royal Family have lost really any political function, but are still one of the remaining factors that define 'Britishness' in this country, and I have to say, this 'Britishness' is rapidly declining.

It is highly unlikely that Harry will ever be King, and therefore has made the decision to go and fight for his country. Putting himself on the frontline, believing in something so much that you are willing to put your life on the line, that is something that really no one can argue with. How dare you make derogatory comments like that, it shows a closed and introverted uneducated view on political history ( can you not tell that I am a historian!).

It amazes me that it was a British tabloid, and a right wing one, that brought down Harry. They would have known as soon as the story was published that Harry would be withdrawn. Yes, it was a money-spinner for them, but, I am sure that they could have honed in on a different story - at the same time, the Mail and Telegraph were merrily running a story on how the Police are going to be trained in Sharia Law. Yes, these stories would receive the necessary outcry to produce a spike in sales, rather than causing the political instability that has now insued between MoD and the Government.

And, stop blaming the Americans for everything. Yes, crap war, but they know that too - it is just hard to pull out. Ask many Americans and they are as anti it as you, but there is little that can be done. Stop generalising nations, especially a nation which on various occasions has helped you out immeasurably! (hmmm....1941.....JM, otherwise you possibly would be German now). You wonder why in 1776 they signed the Declaration of Independence! Saying that, at that point they also sided with the French....

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i wasn't going to reply to this thread but as you've obviously mixed up the replies i thought i would.

i haven't mentioned the americans in my replies Apalacia01 but as you thought i had i'll offer you a reply...

when the Russians entered Afghanistan late 1978 to help out the Gvnt of the day, albeit a Marxist one,oust the Mujahideen, (taliban) the USA and several other western countries as well as pakistan, supported the very people they are fighting now!!

as i understand, although there is no official record, the CIA were heavily involved in supporting Taliban in the 70's early 80's...by supplying intelligence and weapons to the Taliban against the "russian occupation"...

1941..by this date i'm assuming you mean the entry of the Yanks into the battlefields of WW2???

A full 2 years and 4 months AFTER Hitler marched into poland....

A full 20 months after crushing the people of the Lowlands... not forgetting France, Denmark and Norway.

and 13 months AFTER the Battle Of Britain!

not keen untill they themselves were attacked at Pearl Harbor, though were they....before then all we british were offered was "lease-lend" which took this country untill the 21st century to repay!!!!!....

not bad for a semi-literate, uneducated introverted person with a closed outlook....
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Just before I start, my main point was more closely related to your comments on the monarchy....and Harry's involvement (and your reactions to that, and the slightly offhand comments about that!) The comments that you made are not in keeping with the 'British' way of thought - that is, for Britain, with inhabitants who try to support the establishment.

Sounds a little like you have been paying too much attention to the people who believe that WTC was caused by the CIA, and that there never was actually a moon landing I think.

Economic reasons were a large part to do with the Americans reluctance to join WW2, and...they had no alliances with the European countries tying them into warfare, unlike Britain which was drawn in (to an extent against) its will in order to help Poland. You have to remember, 10 years earlier, many Brits were praising Mussolini and his 'romanitas' form of Imperialism. It took the beginning of Jewish persecutions, AND trade problems which roped in other European countries. Oh, but, with your current theories, in your opinion, did the Holocaust happen! (Thats below the belt, and a joke by the way...)

The 70's and 80's saw a lot of problems both in the East and Russia for the West - the rise of communism, the Cuban Missile Crisis, growing problems with sects within the East, the list is endless. I cannot say whether there is 'evidence' as you seem to think for CIA involvement, which although I doubt, politics is best treated by siding with people who are going to cause less of a problem, and then dealing with them. That is just the way that things work.

I have to commend you though for at least knowing some history (which I have found out is not something that many Americans, nor English know!)
 
I am so sick and tired of comments being posted on here about how Americans are to blaim for all these problems. Stop generalizing that all Americans are bad and stupid. Do you think we asked for this war? We should all have a little more respect for each other's country.

And by the way, get your facts straight. America did not leak the secret first.
 
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Just before I start, my main point was more closely related to your comments on the monarchy....and Harry's involvement (and your reactions to that, and the slightly offhand comments about that!) The comments that you made are not in keeping with the 'British' way of thought - that is, for Britain, with inhabitants who try to support the establishment.

Sounds a little like you have been paying too much attention to the people who believe that WTC was caused by the CIA, and that there never was actually a moon landing I think.

Economic reasons were a large part to do with the Americans reluctance to join WW2, and...they had no alliances with the European countries tying them into warfare, unlike Britain which was drawn in (to an extent against) its will in order to help Poland. You have to remember, 10 years earlier, many Brits were praising Mussolini and his 'romanitas' form of Imperialism. It took the beginning of Jewish persecutions, AND trade problems which roped in other European countries. Oh, but, with your current theories, in your opinion, did the Holocaust happen! (Thats below the belt, and a joke by the way...)

The 70's and 80's saw a lot of problems both in the East and Russia for the West - the rise of communism, the Cuban Missile Crisis, growing problems with sects within the East, the list is endless. I cannot say whether there is 'evidence' as you seem to think for CIA involvement, which although I doubt, politics is best treated by siding with people who are going to cause less of a problem, and then dealing with them. That is just the way that things work.

I have to commend you though for at least knowing some history (which I have found out is not something that many Americans, nor English know!)

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i'm not a fan of the "Micheal Moore Theory" TBH and having watched hundreds ok maybe that is an exageration!, a fair few Docs and read a few reports about what may or may not have happened that day i think it's fair to say there is enough picture/newsreel "evidence" for folk to assume something well thought out and extremely well executed took place.
As for the Moon Landing...i was absolutely spellbound whilst watching it on a grainy BW TV at primary school in the distant past!!! i for one, would be mortified if it's proven to be fake......

as for the holocaust.. that most certainly happened..Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen are dreadful places and should be and rightfully are, preserved as a monument to remind us all of what can happen when, and to put this mildly, someone gets way above their station!!
i'm not sure how you assume what my current theories are...is it because i'm not "keen" on the royal family??

as for the Cuban Missile crisis, poor old Fidel was spitting chips at Nikita for going back on his word...which reading between the lines, led to poor Nikita being shifted sideways by Comrade Brezhnev..
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As far as I know, after the first moon landing there were five more. Were they all faked, and if so, why?
 
Hey, I hope that wasn't to me! I am a yank myself! I was trying to stand up for them a bit....lots of Yank bashing here! (not the forum, the UK!)


It was leaked in Australia but they didn't see it right?

I would have loved to have seen the moon landing - sadly I was -17 at the time, so unlikely.

No, JM, my original thing was your reaction to the royal family, and then I got my knickers in a political twist! Like a good debate! Hmmm...I am doing a debate next week between hypotethical Catholics and Orthodox..any ideas!
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No, there was never a moon landing - its all due to the CIA! Joke...I think there is meant to be another good documentary coming up on these theories on TV soon!
 
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