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But do we think AN and AT will learn from their mistakes?

AT very obvously hasn't!

But with AN.....time will tell I think. I hope he learns.

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Ok everyone - don't shout at me - but, didn't AN just miss???? That was an honest to goodness mistake wasn't it??

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he missed!
but he was on a very weary horse that could of done with just a little more energy.
 
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he missed!
but he was on a very weary horse that could of done with just a little more energy.

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As was Sharon Hunt, and the horse just ground to a halt.
 
i don't think AN missed. he tried to do a very demanding fence on a tiring horse, and when it landed short over the first pagoda fence, he put his leg on to send it forward to get the 2 strides... fine, except that it didn't respond at all, in its tiredness. if he'd held for 3 strides, i'm convinced it would have cleared the 2nd brush. he should have gone the longer route, or held for 3 (as Dan Jocelyn did on the 8 yr old, fwiw.)
 
I dont think ANs mistake comes anywhere close to what AT did to Le Samuraii.
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AT killed her horse through irresponsible riding and she screwed up her Olympic bid with the same. She was going too fast, she wasn't anchoring her horse properly and often had reins like washing lines.

I am not afraid to say that women deserved everything she got and nothing will ever make me 'get over' her public 'killing' of a horse. She shouldn't have even been on the American team, she should have been banned back then and I sincerely hope, after the awful excuse of riding that resulted in her horse taking a fall on course, the American selectors rethink using her.

I am not afraid to say I dislike her; I dislike anyone who puts their own ambition and want to win attitude above their horse.

It is not simply reserved for AT.

I am a AN supporter, but I thought her rode like a [****] yesterday and, to be honest, was an embarrassment to watch- He should have known better and he was very lucky that his horse was not injured.

WFP- I love how people say he had a smooth round, etc. We didn't even see most of it. He was one of the fastest of the day and his horse was tired coming into the last fence and he, in my opinion, was EXTREMEMELY lucky to get away with it. He was very close to joining the ranks of all the other riders who tried go too fast, on tired horses, and paid the price.

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i agree about the first two, but not the latter. WFP missed at the last... not horrifically imho, he just went for a long one and the horse was a bit surprised. i did think "thank god it's been ridden by an amateur" actually... it bicycled a bit with its front legs but picked up fine and cleared the fence. (Leslie Law missed far worse to the final fence when on the British team years ago, fwiw!)
AN was ridiculous, took chance after chance on that lovely genuine horse. very very lucky the top of that fence was soft and therefore it didn't have a rotational, imho. he was chasing the clock to the utmost, very irresponsible riding.
 
Mmm I don't think he missed - more misjudged. He (and he is not alone) did not conserve his horse over the early stages of the course and paid the price. A case of him pushing too hard when the horse had nothing left to give. I didn't compare him to AT .......
 
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...and riding like that is loading the scales against you - just IMO of course!

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Was that intended to be a little tounge in cheek, Lou?!
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I have never commented on AT until today. But the more I think about Le Samuraii the more my stomach churns. That poor, poor horse. I don't know about this incident today, but I do think she should have paid a serious penalty for the LS incident. MP consistent support was rather galling too.
 
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...and riding like that is loading the scales against you - just IMO of course!

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Was that intended to be a little tounge in cheek, Lou?!
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Actually no LOL!
 
I'll have my little say for what it is worth.

I watched AT's round with interest, as i haven't ever had the opportunity to see her ride, but heard all about the 'incident' last year, and to be honest, based on her riding today, she deserved to hit the deck. She offered that horse no back up, support or direction into the fences, and rode in an obviously reckless manner - if this is how she rode Le S, It is hardly suprising he broke down - a horse jumping flat and ragged is not using himself efficiently and is therefore more likely to injure itself.

IMO, if she hadn't have hit the ground at that jump, she wouldn't have got much further round if she had carried on like that.

As for AN, I thought he was better then that - just goes to show that if you wave an Olympic medal under someones nose they can get red mist - I said outloud as he came around the corner at the top of the hill that he wasn't going to make it through the next 3 jumps if he carried on like that and sure enough he carried on flat out and didn't check the poor horse, and then didn't even have the decency to put his breastplate back down his neck when leading him back in.

(and that cuban (i think) should give his horse a massive pat on the back for getting his unfit arse out of alot of trouble out there!!)
 
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i agree about the first two, but not the latter. WFP missed at the last... not horrifically imho, he just went for a long one and the horse was a bit surprised. i did think "thank god it's been ridden by an amateur" actually... it bicycled a bit with its front legs but picked up fine and cleared the fence. (Leslie Law missed far worse to the final fence when on the British team years ago, fwiw!)

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Agree, and plus, lets face it, there are people like WFP and MK, who have hunted in the rain and the [****] and up to their necks in mud on youngsters, who can actually hold on if a horse takes a flyer, throw everything at it and survive with horse and jockey in tact. And then there are the others.
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Agree totally with your posts on this thread! It's like you can read my mind!
I'm also with Sooty on this one - I too got some perverse pleasure from watching that arrogant, cruel, unfeeling, unappreciative woman hit the deck!
She should never have been allowed back on a horse let alone allowed to compete in the Olympics - Dwane Chambers wasn't allowed to compete & it was his own body that he was messing with not some poor unfortunate creature who did nothing other than try his heart out for the heartless witch! (I know it's a totally different scenario - he was allegedly cheating - but IMO his actions certainly didn't come anywhere near to being as out of order as hers!).
She's reckless, dangerous & a total liability to any horse who has the misfortune to end up underneath her - IMO!
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I never saw the AT video and I haven't seen her ride before, but I've heard all about it on here. When I was watching this afternoon, I thought she looked too fast and lol when she fell off on her fat ass!!!
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I don't care what reasons she had, but when I horse breaks down on you it is pretty f*cking obvious and you know istantly, so if she did/didn't know, whatever, she shouldn't be riding at that level. I spoke to my mum afterwards who doesn't know about any of the AT stuff, she said something along the lines of "who was that fat, american girl who was going far too fast and fell off???"
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As for AN, WFP etc, they were pushing it, but I can't imagine how much pressure those guys are under, so I'm willing to cut them a little slack.
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If anyone rode the perfect round every time, they would be, well not human!!
 
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i agree about the first two, but not the latter. WFP missed at the last... not horrifically imho, he just went for a long one and the horse was a bit surprised. i did think "thank god it's been ridden by an amateur" actually... it bicycled a bit with its front legs but picked up fine and cleared the fence. (Leslie Law missed far worse to the final fence when on the British team years ago, fwiw!)

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Agree, and plus, lets face it, there are people like WFP and MK, who have hunted in the rain and the [****] and up to their necks in mud on youngsters, who can actually hold on if a horse takes a flyer, throw everything at it and survive with horse and jockey in tact. And then there are the others.
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I disagree.

Mary's was a fantastic round, considering the lashing of rain and the ground breaking up, and she deserves all the plaudits anyone can give.
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Even though I was glad that WFP got round, it wasn't the best round I have ever seen him ride and he was starting to push he luck. There was a few times when I though "Oh dear" and held my breath, so I am not going to say he did anything better. The only thing he did better was stay up, just.


As I said earlier, AN was an idiot to push his elderly horse, who was clearly labouring.

I would love to be able to give LK a big pat and say what a great horse he has been to watch over the years. Shame it couldn't have ended better for him, he deserved a big win like the Olympics.
 
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But do we think AN and AT will learn from their mistakes?

AT very obvously hasn't!

But with AN.....time will tell I think. I hope he learns.

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Ok everyone - don't shout at me - but, didn't AN just miss???? That was an honest to goodness mistake wasn't it??

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That's exactly what my OH just said....do you think it's a case of ppl taking the commentators' opinion?
 
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Ok everyone - don't shout at me - but, didn't AN just miss???? That was an honest to goodness mistake wasn't it??

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I don't think so. He took lots of risks on that course. I don't think I'm alone in that I could see that mistake, Sharon Hunt's and WFP's coming a mile away. All the weary looking horses that weren't eased up on at the end only made it through the last couple of fences if they were lucky. There was a clear difference in the way the horses with petrol left took on the last few fences and the knackered ones. Surely all the riders felt it. Too many chose to chance their luck and that of their horses towards the end IMHO.
 
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Amy Tryon has had several choices, she could have been sorry instead of trying to justify her appalling cruelty. She could lose weight, (yes it IS relevant, it would improve her balance and fitness) hell, she could even learn to ride.
Le Samurai had no chances, no choices, he just did his best and died for it.
She should have been banned for life. Full stop.
And if a few people take delight in her landing with her arse on the grass, so what?
Why SHOULD we forget what she did? Why should she?

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Hell, I'm with you. How many chances does she want? She was on a second chance she didn't deserve to even be at the olympics and she's learned sweet FA.

Poor Le Samurai didn't get a second chance.

Anyway - I'm a bigger rider - and even I don't take offence at saying she landed on her fat ass and deserved it. There's nothing wrong with bigger people like me riding, but it would be totally unfair to your horse EVENTING at that level and in those conditions over in Beijing, if you couldn't make the effort to be a fair weight for them to carry.

That other USA rider looks amazing, if she can put the effort in, you'd think AT could tone up.

I'd never expect my mare to carry me as I am now doing that level of work - wouldn't be fair to her at all!
 
Yeah, watched it live and jumped out my seat laughing my head off when the stupid woman fell off. Her horse couldn't get away from her quick enough - tee hee.
Long may her (safe) bad luck continue after what she did to LS.
 
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I wondered if Lucinda took Britters the long way through the pagodas because she was tiring?
If so, well done her. She'll get her reward.

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Brit was not tiring! She finished better than anybody and could have done with a much longer course- she was riding to team orders.


This is the Olympics- you dont push now, you never push hence why some of the top riders were going all out. For a few it paid off, for several it didnt but thats the sport. You dont win gold medals by being a little cautious.....
I liked the way some of the riders in the top 5-15 rode as they were sensible and have given themselves a shot at a medal with a horse who may well be slightly fresher through the 2 rounds of sj than those who went all out on the xc
 
Blimey, it was only a thought. No need to bite heads off.

It's still my personal opinion that I'd rather see a rider keep her horse safe, whether for personal or team reasons, than murder it like that Tryon Cow.
But each to his own I suppose.
There's a horse involved as well as a medal.

As you say, there's another day to go yet, isn't there?
 
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Could someone tell me what she did to provoke the mighty wrath of HHO?

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<paraphrasing>she was riding at Kentucky, her horse broke it's leg, you could clearly see it's leg was broken because it's hanging off and the horse couldn't stand up, but the rider whipped the horse mercilessly (while it was trying to lay down) - possilby with a bit of 2x4 she'd wrenched from a fence post - and forced it to gallop on, and jump a fence. Meanwhile the stewards were trying to drag her off the horse, the crowd were trying to drag her off the horse, the horse's leg fell off and it had to jump the last fence on 3 legs. She then whipped the horse frenetically until it had crossed the finish line (had to finish inside the time so she could win), then got off, pulled the saddle off and threw it at the horse's head. Or possibly she kicked it in the head</paraphrasing>

according to what I remember reading on here ...
 
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Could someone tell me what she did to provoke the mighty wrath of HHO?

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<paraphrasing>she was riding at Kentucky, her horse broke it's leg, you could clearly see it's leg was broken because it's hanging off and the horse couldn't stand up, but the rider whipped the horse mercilessly (while it was trying to lay down) - possilby with a bit of 2x4 she'd wrenched from a fence post - and forced it to gallop on, and jump a fence. Meanwhile the stewards were trying to drag her off the horse, the crowd were trying to drag her off the horse, the horse's leg fell off and it had to jump the last fence on 3 legs. She then whipped the horse frenetically until it had crossed the finish line (had to finish inside the time so she could win), then got off, pulled the saddle off and threw it at the horse's head. Or possibly she kicked it in the head</paraphrasing>

according to what I remember reading on here ...

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crikey, wtf is all that about? nothing excuses what she did, and anyone can watch the video of it again and decide for themselves whether we are justfied in our disgust.
i for one have never exaggerated what she did, there was absolutely no need, it was heinous enough.
nice to know someone thinks it's worth trying to make a joke out of though... ha bloody ha, how hilarious.
 
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Could someone tell me what she did to provoke the mighty wrath of HHO?

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<paraphrasing>she was riding at Kentucky, her horse broke it's leg, you could clearly see it's leg was broken because it's hanging off and the horse couldn't stand up, but the rider whipped the horse mercilessly (while it was trying to lay down) - possilby with a bit of 2x4 she'd wrenched from a fence post - and forced it to gallop on, and jump a fence. Meanwhile the stewards were trying to drag her off the horse, the crowd were trying to drag her off the horse, the horse's leg fell off and it had to jump the last fence on 3 legs. She then whipped the horse frenetically until it had crossed the finish line (had to finish inside the time so she could win), then got off, pulled the saddle off and threw it at the horse's head. Or possibly she kicked it in the head</paraphrasing>

according to what I remember reading on here ...

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Have you seen the video?
I don't believe anyone exaggerated, but don't take anyone else's word for it.
 
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