An incredibly long 'get it off my chest' post...

LucyDT

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As some of you may remember, I had to retire my horse Cody early last year after he failed to fully recover from surgery (kissing spines). I went through the whole debate about what to do with him, and just couldn’t bring myself to have him PTS. He is the kindest, sweetest horse I have ever met, is only 10 and is pain free unless ridden.

Anyway, a friend of my instructor who had recently imported two yearlings offered to take him as a companion for her young colt. My instructor’s old mare would also go as a companion to the filly and we agreed between us that if this lady had to go away or needed help, we would share it between the two of us. I had no hesitation; they have a 100 acre farm and only 4 horses (including Cody & the mare). Stupidly I did not insist on a loan agreement (she didn’t want anything ‘formal’) and as she is extremely well known in our area and came highly recommended I didn’t think anything more of it. It was agreed that this would work as a ‘mutual favour’ and I would retain ownership of Cody, pay his vets bills and insurance and also for wormer and feet trimming– he would live out all year and have access to a field shelter.

Things worked really well for a while (she took him at the end of June) but then in February she moved the field shelters out of the field and turned them into ‘stables’ – the horses had to be brought in each night, mucked out and turned out again the next day. She did this because she wanted to start handling the youngsters. Anyway, this was entirely her choice.

From the very start I have asked her how much she wanted for Cody’s feet trimming and if she needed or wanted anything for his keep. Bear in mind that this lady is a multi-millionaire with various horses stationed all over the world and money is no problem for her. I must have asked her at least once a month if she wanted anything from me and she never responded. Because I felt I should make a contribution I bought a ‘trade’ pack of wormers for the 4 horses, to last them all a year, at a cost of £100. From December, when the horses were being fed more, I bought food once a month at a cost of £50 a time (to feed all of the horses – young stock mix for her yearlings, 16+ for my instructor’s mare and bog standard pony nuts for Cody who would have been perfectly happy with Hay and a bit of HiFi). She then asked me to get more wormer (for all four horses, not just Cody) which I did at a cost of £35 a couple of weeks ago. I also pay for Cody’s insurance and vets bills – and each time the vet as come out to Cody she has ‘tagged on’ and had her horses looked out so that I pay the full call out.

I visit Cody at least twice a week, and when I went up about 6 weeks ago she told me that the colt was being sent back to Holland to ‘grow up’. I said straight away that now Cody was ‘redundant’ I would happily take him home, she said that there was no need; she had all this land and the horses would be living out again soon. I had also heard through the grapevine that her farm was sold. I told her that if there was any chance that Cody was going to become homeless then I would appreciate knowing ASAP so that I could make arrangements. She insisted that the farm was only on the market ‘for tax reasons’ (whatever that means!?) and that she wouldn’t be moving.

Shortly after that I got a text from her saying that she was going away for a week the next day, and I had to look after the horses. No ‘please could you’, just a demand. So, for five days I looked after the three of them (colt had gone). This was the first time I had done it since the horses had been brought in at the end of Feb. She was back for a week and then I got another text saying that she was going away over Easter for 10 days – same demand, look after the horses. I asked my instructor (who is extremely ‘friendly’ with this lady) if she would mind helping out, and I got all the excuses under the sun “I’ve had a nasty fall” (yet was OK to ride) etc. etc. So I made the 50 mile round trip twice a day for another 10 days.

Last week she turned the horses out in a field that had not been grazed since last summer. Cody got colic (hardly surprising) and I had to have the vet out at 7.30am on a Sunday morning – which I will pay for. Then, on Saturday, she phoned me to say that the farm was probably sold, and I would have to move Cody within 4-6 weeks, but she would confirm within the next 10 days. I was a bit annoyed as she’d told me that they definitely weren’t moving just a couple of weeks ago. Anyway, fair enough I thought. Then this morning I got a text from her saying “Cody had feet trimmed yesterday, that’s five times since June @ £20/time so you owe me £100 exactly”.

Now – am I being unreasonable? She needed Cody as a companion for her colt, she would have had to buy or formally loan something if he hadn’t have been around, so I think from the point of view of a free companion with no responsibility she’s done quite well. It costs her nothing to keep them, they produce their own hay – all it costs is straw (of which he’s hardly had any) and hard feed (he would be fine on very basic rations!). It was her choice to stable them, they would have all happily lived out with their shelters. I have offered constantly to pay for his keep, she has refused, so I bought feed for them all instead. Now the colt has gone the goal posts have been moved and I feel that I am being used.

This morning I told her that I was upset with her insinuation that I have not paid or done enough to satisfy her, and that I had asked her on numerous occasions if she wanted any financial contribution from me, and now she lands me with a large bill when I can least afford it (just moved house & have large ‘colic’ out of hours bill to pay) and that I would be picking Cody up on Sunday. She then left a message on my voicemail to say that I had “had a good deal” and she bought “£80 worth of feed every 10 days”, “the horses have been stabled for 6 months” (not true & her choice anyway) etc. etc. I feel really upset that she would think that I haven’t supported Cody enough. He will always be a priority in my life and I would do everything I possibly could for him. Am I wrong to feel upset by this? It seems obvious that she wants rid of Cody, but why couldn’t she have been honest with me when I asked her if she wanted me to have him back (I think she kept quiet because she wanted me to look after them while she was away).

Now I will have to bring Cody home, and he will be kept on his own while I try and find another solution for him. I have recently had back surgery and my other horse is having to be kept on full livery until I can ride again. Has anybody got any advice? My husband thinks that I should not pay the £100 she has asked for as I have already spent more than that on feed and worming for her other horses. She absolutely does not need the money and she knows things are tight for me at the moment – I’m supporting two horses that I can’t ride! ‘Home’ is not an ideal solution as he will be on his own and we only have ¾ of an acre of grazing. What other options do I have? Or is it me that is being unreasonable?
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Sorry for the long post...
 
It's so awful when situations like this arise isn't it.

Write down what you have spent on what - so clearly itemised.

Write down what you owe.

Deduct the difference - she pays you or you pay her - whichever person is owed.
 
I'm with you - she's being unreasonable to ask for foot trimming especially backdated.
It may make life a bit tricky, but can't you have him back on grass livery for the summer til you work out another solution for him. Then you don't have to hurt your back mucking him out etc?
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If it were me, I would chalk it up to experience, tell her I'd pay her when I next got paid, take the horse home and write a proper loan agreement next time. It definitely sounds like the goalposts have changed and that she has been difficult, but I think £100 is not a lot in the greater scheme of things, though I wouldn't go short to pay her.
 
Perhaps itemise all the things you have paid for (including the travelling 50 mile round trip to look after her horses) - then (providing you can afford it without too much hardship) say "of COURSE you will pay the farrier bill" and explain that you felt that the feed, wormers and other extras were a contribution. Point out that the horse was NOT on livery with her, but was there at her request as a companion.
 
God what is wrong with people! I'm sorry but this woman did not want anything 'formal' on paper by the sounds of it, you have helped her loads, and paid for wormers etc and helped at extremely short notice. I personally would not pay her, she would have had to pay 'maintenance' shoeing/trimming on any loaned horse. Sorry to rant but people sometimes take the p*ss!! What a horrible situation to be in. Get you boy home and try to put him at grass somewhere.
 
I agree with AmyMay....she has had the use of your horse for all this time, at her request, and yet you have been paying for worming, feed, etc. at various times. Generally if someone takes a horse on loan, even just as a companion, then they will have to agree to pay all costs as the horse is, to all intents and purposes, theirs to care for as they are the ones getting the use out of it.
Try and work out exactly how much you have spent on wormers for her horses as well as feed, etc. and say to her that if asking you to pay a trimming bill at this late date is how she's going to play it, then here is a bill for what she owes you!
If she hadn't have had the use of your boy then she would have had to lay out money to buy or loan another horse! Up until this spring when my broodmare came home, I had borrowed a youngster off a friend of mine to keep my youngster company. Whilst I had him, I paid all feed, livery, trimming, worming costs, etc. and gladly because at the end of the day I was the one that needed him at my place - I would never have dreamed of asking them to pay for him!
 
Have to agree.....it's your word against hers as to what has / hasn't been paid / agreed though...

Get the horse back and wait to see what her next move is....if she wants the £100 that badly she could go to the small claims court, but i doubt anyone would bother for such a small figure
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Play her at her own game
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Thanks guys, you've made me feel alot better. I was beginning to think that it was me who was in the wrong. What happened to the days when people did things for others out of the goodness of their hearts! My other horse is on loan to me and I wouldn't dream of asking for any contribution from his owner, he is totally my responsibility.

As for grass livery, that would be the best solution, but I don't know anywhere near me. I will keep my ears open though and if I hear of anything then that would be great... Thanks again.
 
Hey poor you. I have been in a similar situation to you involving a rented house. Landlord (who lived there) repeatedly told me "not to worry about council tax" when I paid the rent despite me offering. He gave me the impression that council tax was included in the overall rent bill.

6 months down the line, he started being threatened with the bailifs because he hadn't paid the council tax (I was unaware that this was happening). He turned round and demanded £330 backdated council tax money from me. When I pointed out that he had told me not to worry about it when I offered previously, he got really angry and told me he had meant 'don't worry about it <u>yet</u> '. He also did the same thing to the other tennant.

I just bit the bullet and paid up in the end which was pretty hard finacially but easier than arguing with him as he was being totally unreasonable and practically accused me of 'stealing' from him and trying to take him for a ride and other stuff that was really offensive to me as I try to be a person that ALWAYS pays their way.

It sounds to me as if maybe this woman is in financial difficulty of some kind herself that she is keeping under wraps. It may seem to the outsider that she has all the money in the world but you never know what is happening behind closed doors. I would just pay up, take your horse and just get her out of your life.

sorry this happened to you, some people are really selfish.
 
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It sounds to me as if maybe this woman is in financial difficulty of some kind herself that she is keeping under wraps. It may seem to the outsider that she has all the money in the world but you never know what is happening behind closed doors. I would just pay up, take your horse and just get her out of your life.

sorry this happened to you, some people are really selfish.

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I wonder the same, what a shame she could not have been more upfront, there would have been no need for all this
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Fingers crossed you find him a lovely new home soon.
 
You could well be right, maybe she is in some sort of financial trouble... I just wish she could have been honest. It's not even the money that's the biggest issue (although it is a BIG issue!), it's the fact that I am being made to feel like a 'bad mum'. I thought I'd done everything right and I feel a bit betrayed. Nevermind - will put down to experience and at least I get to spend more one to one time with him, for a while at least!
 
Lucy. I would get in touch with the farrier and ensure that she has already paid him for the five trims. If he hasnt been paid clarify the number of trims you owe him for and pay him direct. If you do owe this lady pay her the £100 case and take your horse ASAP.

I think theres something very dodgy going on it the background with this woman and she has clearly taken the proverbial over the past year.

What you dont want is her badmouthing you all over the county because you have kicked up a fuss. If she is well known its very difficult for people not to take her side of the story as gospel.

Chalk it up to experience but ALWAYS get things in writing - even best friends can misunderstand or fall out over arangements.
 
My advice would be pay her and learn from your experience. Clearly these people do not have the money you think they have and have probably been living off plastic for the last few years. Get your horse out of there as quickly as possible before the baliffs take him. Believe me I have seen this happen many times before. Those that flash their money about normally in reality are of no substance at all and are living off credit
 
i would agree with amymay's solution and i would factor in you travel costs while you had to look after the 3 of them, then move your boy asap.

i would politly but firmly insist that it was her choice to stable the horses and that you provided adiquate feed and wormer etc for your horse.

3/4 acre isnt great but he would cope on it for a few weeks while you find alternative accomidation im sure.

really sorry your in such a horrid poosision ((hugs))
 
DONT PAY! No loan agreement so how can she say its for you to pay? You didnt sign a contract saying you would pay for it so dont.
 
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