Animal cruelty: Torment of a stag

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Another publicty coup by the staghounds, reported in the Independent on Sunday:

Animal cruelty: Torment of a stag

Video shows 'barbaric' hunting of deer with whip, say campaigners

By Sophie Goodchild, Chief Reporter

Published: 27 August 2006

Police are to investigate video footage allegedly showing "barbaric" and "inhumane" treatment of a stag by huntsmen on National Trust land.

The incident, captured on camera by animal rights campaigners, shows the creature being chased for more than two hours by dogs and a rider, who is seen cracking his whip at the animal which is clearly frightened and exhausted.

The League Against Cruel Sports alleges the Devon and Somerset Staghounds acted illegally in chasing the stag, which was eventually shot, over a long distance at Dunkery Beacon in Somerset on 14 August. It also says these "barbaric" actions show the hunt is not fit to dispatch stags and was contravening National Trust guidelines. These allow a hunt on to Trust land only to dispatch stags which are sick or injured, and state categorically that animals must not be chased.

The hunt denies any wrongdoing and says its members were culling the stag, which it says was old, in accordance with hunting laws.

However, the allegations made by the league are deeply embarrassing for the National Trust which caused uproar earlier this year when it announced it planned to reverse a long-standing ban on hunts on all of its estates. The decision was taken to allow the culling of stags on its land. The trust said this could be an effective and humane way of dealing with deer on its property in the Quantock Hills and Exmoor.

The pro-hunting lobby argues that hunting with hounds is the most humane way of managing deer and foxes, but welfare activists say it legitimises hunting as a sport. The league said that it believed that the Devon and Somerset Staghounds was using dogs to chase the stag. The law states that the hunt is only allowed to use two dogs to flush out animals.

"These pictures show the shocking truth about how the people chosen by the trust to kill ani- mals behave," said a spokesman. "It's like allowing paedophiles to help out with a mother and toddler group. This animal was exhausted, terrified and tormented. This was the pursuit of a deer for fun. It was not a cull, it was slaughter. It was barbaric and inhumane."

The Devon and Somerset Staghounds refuted the league's claims and said it was acting within the law, had permission to be on the land and said the stag was one "suitable for culling" because it was old.

Tom Yandle, chairman of the hunt, said that the horseman had cracked the whip near the animal to turn it back towards the waiting guns. He added that the new restrictions on hunting brought in by the Government were partly to blame for how animals are killed.

"I don't think the Hunting Act produces humanity," said Mr Yandle. "It would be much better for the animals if the Act had not happened but I don't see how chasing the deer and riding alongside it and cracking a whip is any more inhumane than any other form of moving a deer around."

The trust confirmed it had been called to an incident on 14 August. It said it had no power to ban the hunt from this part of Dunkery Beacon and had no control over its activities because the trust did not hold the hunting rights.

However, anyone who controls or manages land where hunting takes place has a responsibility under the Act.

Police are to investigate video footage allegedly showing "barbaric" and "inhumane" treatment of a stag by huntsmen on National Trust land.

The incident, captured on camera by animal rights campaigners, shows the creature being chased for more than two hours by dogs and a rider, who is seen cracking his whip at the animal which is clearly frightened and exhausted.

The League Against Cruel Sports alleges the Devon and Somerset Staghounds acted illegally in chasing the stag, which was eventually shot, over a long distance at Dunkery Beacon in Somerset on 14 August. It also says these "barbaric" actions show the hunt is not fit to dispatch stags and was contravening National Trust guidelines. These allow a hunt on to Trust land only to dispatch stags which are sick or injured, and state categorically that animals must not be chased.

The hunt denies any wrongdoing and says its members were culling the stag, which it says was old, in accordance with hunting laws.

However, the allegations made by the league are deeply embarrassing for the National Trust which caused uproar earlier this year when it announced it planned to reverse a long-standing ban on hunts on all of its estates. The decision was taken to allow the culling of stags on its land. The trust said this could be an effective and humane way of dealing with deer on its property in the Quantock Hills and Exmoor.

The pro-hunting lobby argues that hunting with hounds is the most humane way of managing deer and foxes, but welfare activists say it legitimises hunting as a sport. The league said that it believed that the Devon and Somerset Staghounds was using dogs to chase the stag. The law states that the hunt is only allowed to use two dogs to flush out animals.
"These pictures show the shocking truth about how the people chosen by the trust to kill ani- mals behave," said a spokesman. "It's like allowing paedophiles to help out with a mother and toddler group. This animal was exhausted, terrified and tormented. This was the pursuit of a deer for fun. It was not a cull, it was slaughter. It was barbaric and inhumane."

The Devon and Somerset Staghounds refuted the league's claims and said it was acting within the law, had permission to be on the land and said the stag was one "suitable for culling" because it was old.

Tom Yandle, chairman of the hunt, said that the horseman had cracked the whip near the animal to turn it back towards the waiting guns. He added that the new restrictions on hunting brought in by the Government were partly to blame for how animals are killed.

"I don't think the Hunting Act produces humanity," said Mr Yandle. "It would be much better for the animals if the Act had not happened but I don't see how chasing the deer and riding alongside it and cracking a whip is any more inhumane than any other form of moving a deer around."

The trust confirmed it had been called to an incident on 14 August. It said it had no power to ban the hunt from this part of Dunkery Beacon and had no control over its activities because the trust did not hold the hunting rights.

However, anyone who controls or manages land where hunting takes place has a responsibility under the Act.
 

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A sensible law would regulate such activities on the basis of cruelty. The Hunting Act makes no attempt whatsoever to do so.

I can't see much correspondance between the probably legal activities described here and the completely illegal ones I describe in the previous post.

If this is legal why should what I do be illegal?
 

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I very much doubt that what is described here is legal under the terms of the Hunting Act, particularly as it doesn't seem as though the stag was shot as soon as possible after being found or flushed out.

Your colleagues in the pro-hunting campaign just wanted to have some 'fun' before killing it instead.
 

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Karl, quick question for you...

You know how the countryside is... full of bushes, hills, other little inconveniences, and you know how guns are - kinda fatal.

As it would appear that the stag was chased towards waiting guns, even if the chase did last the alleged two hours, how would you feel if it was proven that the whole fiasco was, in fact, to try and stay inside the law?

The hunt needed a stag who was suitable to be culled, and the guns need to be positioned somewhere safe, somewhere they can clearly see the difference between the hounds, the huntsman, the stag and the antis. Now, how else do we get a stag to happen to find himself in such a position that he can be shot quickly?

I wonder if in this instance the huntsman travelled to find a deer. Maybe a couple of miles from the guns as the croiw flies. But Stag don't run like crow fly, so he ran back and forth. Realising this was a) illegal and b) causing distress, the huntsman rode alongside in order to try and turn the stag in the direction required more affectivly.

And bollocks to him clearly looking scared - I know the LACS idea of clearly scared - I've seen a video that they claim shows a stag clearly distressed with hounds on it's heels, and all I could see was a stag running along quite gayly to the sound of BIRDSONG! Hounds could not be seen nor heard!

LACS seem to think if an animal is running it is therefore distressed. They even claim it of the hounds from time to time...
 

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They have to take reasonab;e steps to shoot the deer, cracking a whip at it to drive it towards guns is such a step.

In my opinion they should be allowed to let it escape, what do you think Karl?
 

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I know how the stag-hunters are - kinda taking the piss. They so obviously care nothing about animal welfare (well, obviously to anyone with half a brain and an ounce of concern for animal welfare) and are only concerned with having their 'bit of fun', whatever the cost.

I'm surprised you continue to argue the toss.
 

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I find it difficult to work out exactly what you do and don't do with your dogs because your accounts seem to change from post to post.

If you were using your dogs to chase deer then yes, I think it should be illegal.
 

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So what you really mean is, reguardless of what lengths the huntsman have to go to to hunt within the law, reguardless of the implications to animal welfare if certain animals are not culled, you believe the staghounds to be in the wrong because NO ONE should be hunting deer REGUARDLESS Of the reason.

I am sure the stags are very happy to hear that....
 

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This had nothing to do with hunting within the law and it's about time you dropped the futile pretence that it is. The staghunters caused this stag to suffer simply because they wanted some 'fun'.
 

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Karl,

We shall wait to see if the police and the courts agree with your guilty verdict. I think that you will (yet again) be sadly disappointed.
 

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It's LACS who have had to pay for the case. It's LACS who have failed to get the police or the CPS to take action on any of their 'evidence'. It's LACS who are upset about the Act being totally inneffective.

I enjoyed following a trail today. Only a brace and a half were accounted for.
 

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When I was at school one of the lads in my house used to put a squirrel in a squash court with a couple of terriers. Now even I think that's a bit orf. He went on to become a hunt master. Better not say which hunt!
 

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Hunting used to be a lot more fun. I don't mean because of the Hunting Act, which we to a man (I suppose I bet add "woman" for the antis out there) ignore, but due to the dreadfully common people we get. I mean: used car salesmen, accountants, not to mention a whole array of below-stairs types! When I started hunting we'd allow a token number of tenant farmers in to hand round the stirrup cup and that was about it.
 

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There will always be anonymous cretins who insist on breaking the law - hardly open resistence to the legislation!
 

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Yes,Karl, it certainly shows the LACS in its true colours doesn't it? Desperate to make something out of nothing, as usual. Again, as usual, it raises questions about LACS motivations, but I'll reserve judgement until I've seen the video. But I guess that might not be possible without it being 'edited' first?
 

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Hunts which publicise meets in local papers aren't admitting to breaking the law. They only time we see hunters claiming they're breaking the law is when they're posted anonymously on threads like this.

As I said, cretins.
 

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No, I'm much more interested in people who set out to be cruel to animals, not harmless eccentrics like you who are out for as much self promotion as they can get.
 

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If you use your dogs to chase deer I agree with the law which makes it illegal. However, I'd question what you've described today amounts to chasing - if your dogs were truly chasing deer they wouldn't be by your side.

If I don't get back to you for the next few hours or so it's because I have a home and family to go to.
 

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A lot of the time they were just in front of me. Can the staghounds chase a stag if the dogs are just infront of the huntsmen? Where's that in the law?

You say what I do is harmless, why should it be illegal?
 
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