Animal cruelty: Torment of a stag

[Hercules]

How fast does a dog need to be moving in order for deer to be in distress?

Out of control dogs whilst flushing means illegal act. Why don't they prosecute?

 

[Ereiam_jh]

Rubbish, my dogs were chasing the deer and so was I. I could chase an animal with the dogs on a lead as well if I so chose to.

The distance between Tony Wright and his hounds was never considered.

 

[Paul T]

How fast do your dogs run when they're chasing something, Giles?

"The distance between Tony Wright and his hounds was never considered."

Why do you make things up as you go along? From Judge Farmer's verdict on the Wright case:

"Mr Wright acknowledges that there were times when the hounds were some distance from him and in respect of the 2nd fox, so far ahead he did not appreciate that a fox had been flushed and was, whether by scent or sight being chased."

 

[Paul T]

Giles is adament his dogs are always in his control.

Unless a dog has three legs it moves much quicker than a human when it's chasing something. Giles's varying accounts of his exploits just don't add up.

 

[Ereiam_jh]

"Giles is adament his dogs are always in his control."

No I'm not adamant of any such thing.

They were always in control last weekend while I chased deer. Sometimes they are off for hours.

 

[Ereiam_jh]

"How fast do your dogs run when they're chasing something, Giles? "

Bloody fast unless I restrain or control them, but not as fast as deer.

"Mr Wright acknowledges that there were times when the hounds were some distance from him and in respect of the 2nd fox, so far ahead he did not appreciate that a fox had been flushed and was, whether by scent or sight being chased."

mm I'll sort of give you that one.

 

[Paul T]

"mm I'll sort of give you that one. "

Good. See, it's not all that difficult.

""How fast do your dogs run when they're chasing something, Giles? "

Bloody fast unless I restrain or control them, but not as fast as deer."

But surely if you restrain them they're no longer chasing the deer. Tracking maybe, but you've prevented them from chasing the animals.

 

[Ereiam_jh]

I let them chase them as fast as I can run. I beleive hiunts do control there dogs while hunting animals.

According to the government searching is hunting.

Pursuing is I believe the word in the law.

 

[Paul T]

"I let them chase them as fast as I can run."

Through thick undergrowth? Cricky, that must be fast. I don't think any reasonable person would classify that as chasing. Perhaps that's why the police haven't wasted time on your self-seeking publicity crusade.

 

[Paul T]

Hear, hear.

 

[Hercules]

You could run after a human through undergrowth and that would be classed as 'chasing'. Why not the same classification if you run after deer? Speed is not the issue.

 

[Paul T]

How ridiculous, of course it is. Speed and distance from the quarry has everything to do with the the concept of 'chase'.

Dictionary definition: "When you go after someone or something very quickly in order to catch them...Asked why he went fox-hunting, he replied that he loved the thrill of the chase.."

 

[Hercules]

So by your reasoning, when for example a fox 4 fields away from hounds it is no longer being chased because it is a long distance away.

Glad about that. A trail can be hunted, a fox can break covert. The hounds can be held up until the fox is a few fields away. Hounds can be laid on to the scent, but because of the distance between themselves and the quarry, they are not therefore deemed to be chasing.

Foxes run faster than hounds, so again speed is not the issue.

Nothing has really changed. Thanks mate. I am not a lawbreaker after all.

 

[Paul T]

No, the relevant distance will depend on the animal being chased. It's a pity I have to point all of this out but never mind. Don't you think the concept of chase has more relevance if a fox is four fields away rather than a tortoise? Do you think you can chase a fox that's five miles away from hounds?

 

[Hercules]

''Do you think you can chase a fox that's five miles away from hounds?''

Unlikely, but you tell me at what distance from the quarry species the chase actually starts/finishes.

You don't really know mate and once again your flawed reasoning has tied you up in knots.

 

[Paul T]

''Do you think you can chase a fox that's five miles away from hounds?''

Unlikely..."

Thanks, so you're wrong to claim that speed is not the issue.

 

[Hercules]

Mate,

5 miles is a distance, not a speed.