Annoyed , neighbours getting a pup and work full time

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Courier just tryed to deliver a dog cage to me , turns out it is for my neigbours , young couple that have decided against my advice to get a cocker spaniel puppy , told my OH that it will stay in cage all day as they both work full time,
Bloody furious ! , i don't leave my pup for any more than 2 hours , he would be climbing the walls with boredom .
Do i offer to let the pup out at lunch time and feed it ? or just not get involved ? thinking of the poor dog and not about helping them out .
 
Prob shouldn't get involved as it will make it easy for them and they wont see what all the fuss about working full time was about...BUT..... I would, just so you know he's not caged all day and the whimpering through the walls is only going to break your heart :mad:

You could let him out and get the owners to buy him a boredom toy like a kong you can give him when you put him back in. :D
 
My old neighbours had a staff puppy which was caged all day. They both worked full time. I was in a position at the time that I was able to offer to pop in once a day. So if you can it would be nice for pup.

As she got older I used to take her for a walk. They did try leaving her out of the cage, but she used to chew everything in sight.

ETA To be fair one of them used to try and pop back on their lunch (will your neighbours do this?) So my popping in meant she was able to get out of the cage twice in the day (if they could get home). She used to hate going back in and I used to have to really shove her in!
 
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So, remind me again why this is your business? They may have made arrangements that they have not seen fit to share with you.
 
why dont you offer to do it but for money? say £2 a day to let him/her out for a wee and leg stretch? that way they won't take advantage and will hopefully see that puppydog need to be let out in the daytime.
Or talk to them about it? maybe they didnt make thier plans clear and they do plan to take it in turns to come home at lunch?
 
Spudlet. this is my business as i know for a fact they have'nt made arrangements , and as a dog trainer teaching kennel club good citizen's scheme to help people with be good dog owners , i feel it is my responsibility to make them aware leaving a pup in a cage 8 hours a day is'nt good ownership , they really can't see a problem with leaving it in a cage all day .
 
My neighbours are the same. They have an American cocker spaniel on its own from half 7 until half 5. Drives me up the wall barking all day! Have tried to offer advice/ help but they are not interested.
 
The pup will have damage to it's legs/joints/muscles/growth if shut in a cage all day, absolutely criminal! suggest to them they get two, then at least the poor little sods will have each other to play with and not get lonely.

I don't believe in cages unless for very very short periods, such a shame that there are people that think it's all ok.
 
I would stay out of it unless it clearly becomes a problem (as in, you can hear the pup barking etc etc). Even if you are a trainer etc it is still not your place to interfere, as it seems like you have already given them advice which they unfortunately ignored! Maybe next time you see them drop in a couple of hints that if they find themselves struggling you could let him out (if you are happy to) but otherwise avoid
 
It is clearly not ideal, but that does not make it your business. They asked your advice, they chose not to take it - that's up to them. If you stick your nose in unasked now, they are less likely to ask your advice when they actually need it, which they almost certainly will.

Being trainers does not make us into the dog police, there to judge who can and can't have a dog.
 
Not going to interfere , will just hand the cage over to them later , will offer any friendly advice as we do know them .
 
Me and my oh work full time and our 3 dogs, inc new puppy, are crated.....they are rarely left for more than 4 hours with the way our hours work and they come to work with me if they will be left longer.....working full time and having a puppy does not make everyone a bad person.
 
maisiemoo said:
Courier just tryed to deliver a dog cage to me , turns out it is for my neigbours , young couple that have decided against my advice to get a cocker spaniel puppy , told my OH that it will stay in cage all day as they both work full time,
Bloody furious ! , i don't leave my pup for any more than 2 hours , he would be climbing the walls with boredom .
Do i offer to let the pup out at lunch time and feed it ? or just not get involved ? thinking of the poor dog and not about helping them out .
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Honestly? I think you should leave well enough alone unless asked. How would you feel if someone was posting on a public forum about how you chose to keep your animal? FWIW, I think a young cocker puppy needs someone home to oversee socialization, house training, general manners, etc. . . . but the bottom line is that puppy isn't my dog . . .

I know you're professionally invested in this . . . and I get that you care about the pup's welfare . . . but I think you need to let them get on with it for now. You have already offered your assistance and they have declined. Unless and until this becomes a bona fide welfare issue (as in pup is malnourished, doesn't have regular vet attention, etc.), you really need to step back.

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never said they were ' bad people' . actually nice people , but clueless, handed them their cage tonight and had a chat about the new puppy , which they get on fri , bloke is chuffed that they can breed this pup when it is 2 so he can make some money , i rest my case !
 
Sound like ********s, pity you could not find out which irrisponsible idiot sold them the pup, I would bide time and if indeed it is kept in an unsuitable manor then report them if indeed the pup is left all day, be it to the council for noise regardless if there is noise or not and an authority who will (if you can manage) that come out and have a word to them.
 
I have a 4 month cocker spaniel and my boyfriend and I work full time. However, he goes to my friends house one day a week, to work with my boyfriends dad one day a week, and the other three days I pop home at lunch. He is only left from half 8 til about 4 with obv the hour I'm back for lunch in the middle, and he will have kong and occasional stuffed bone of pigs ear. He gets walked twice a day and this arrangement works well for us all. Could you suggest anything like this to them? Do either of them work close enough to pop home at lunch etc???
 
maisiemoo said:
never said they were ' bad people' . actually nice people , but clueless, handed them their cage tonight and had a chat about the new puppy , which they get on fri , bloke is chuffed that they can breed this pup when it is 2 so he can make some money , i rest my case !
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I would feel exactly the same as you. Some people only hear what they want to hear. Well done for offering advice, even though it was ignored. When it starts to become destructive, hyper, noisy etc and they come asking for advice tell them to bog off!!!!;):D
 
Unfortunately other than offering to let it out during the day there isn't much you can do except be on hand if they need advice. I've never been a fan of cages myself anyway, some people may have valid uses but imo they're not to keep a pup in while you go to work all day. Remove young pup from its pack of siblings, stick in cage alone. Disgusting.
 
littlelegs said:
Unfortunately other than offering to let it out during the day there isn't much you can do except be on hand if they need advice. I've never been a fan of cages myself anyway, some people may have valid uses but imo they're not to keep a pup in while you go to work all day. Remove young pup from its pack of siblings, stick in cage alone. Disgusting.
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I agree. Hate the cage, crate thing. As for using them for puppies all day! My idea of training is to actually train how to behavour in the house, not having to get locked away all day incase of misbehavour. You get a dog you live with the consequences. Maybe suggest if its crated all day that at night its given freedom.
 
Crates are perfectly fine aslong as they are not abused and a perfectly good aid for setting a good routine in place ready for leaving the puppy in bigger space (a puppy should never spend all day in a crate) and it would be equally as bad to leave it all day in a kitchen alone.
 
A puppy should not be crated during the day. Even if it's left alone in the kitchen it can move round chase it's kong and generally jump about and relieve the boredom. I work full time and have never crated in fact the idea has never crossed my mind. I do though come home a lunchtime to let my dogs out.
 
We will have to agree to disagree, my pups safety would be my first importance and not space, as i would tire my puppy out and leave it with something stimulating and not leave it very long, we have many an incident at work where pups are left in open space and have gotten into mischief inc ingesting lino or chewing away fixed objects that could not be removed, a kong/toys will only keep attention for so long when left to long in an open space till something else catches a puppies eye, crates are also a very good aid to help toilet training and a safety aid if you have other adults dogs kept in the same room whilst unsupervised and also helps prevent seperation issues (which alot of people will eventually) part with the dog for, infact its one of the main reasons for it.

If someone does not want to use a crate then fair dos but those those who do it's perfectly fine if used in a sensible manor. weather left in a kitchen or a crate for a full day they are both going to be lonely places to be when left alone so young and without access to the toilet, which does not sound like these people have considered which is the issue here.

They should be leaving the puppy in a tired state with some stimulating toys and then back for a dinner break for a play and the toilet and goodies refilled and then they should have asked the neighbour if she minded an afternoon break before they get in and on days she cannot they should make other arrangements, instead looks like they are possibly doing either (who knows)
 
I'd never consider a puppy left all day, crate, kitchen or otherwise. That way if it does have to be kept in one for its own safety for a short time its entirely different to spending its life in one. Like I say, I'm not objecting to anyone using one ever but not all day for a pup.
 
littlelegs said:
I'd never consider a puppy left all day, crate, kitchen or otherwise. That way if it does have to be kept in one for its own safety for a short time its entirely different to spending its life in one. Like I say, I'm not objecting to anyone using one ever but not all day for a pup.
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^^agree:)
 
Mine were crated from day one because the big dog would have killed them. they chose to leave the cage and sleep on the dog bed at about a year, but are happy as anything to go back in if needed. They're bril for injured dogs and it's essential, IMO, to train a dog to be happy in a cage in case of an emergency.

However, the new puppy does not sound like it will be in an ideal situation. It's unfortunate that it will be left so long. I wouldn't leave more than four hours for pups and would aim for two ideally.

My mate insisted on getting a gorgeous working cocker despite working full time and me telling her what a bad idea it was to leave the pup alone all day. Last week, she told me she's re-homing the pup who is now 6 months. :( Good that she's decided now, I guess.
 
Please don't think I'm picking an argument as that's not at all what I mean. But I really can't think of any emergency where a dog would need to be crated. Granted in a vets, but that's a different environment & the confinement is familiar to any dog who travels in a car. I'm not debating that for some people may need them, but i'm genuinely interested in what emergency scenario its a benefit to be used to one, as opposed to the dogs I've had who've never been in one. (assuming the dog is a normal well trained one who's fine in car boots etc)
 
Littlelegs I used to be very anti crate, my views were coloured by seeing someone in our village crating all her dogs most of the day.

A few years ago i was offered a Dobe who had been returned to his breeder having bit someone, he came to me on trial with a crate which he was used to. I already had a older male Dobe and did not want a younger one making his last few years miserable and I needed to keep him safe. The crate proved a godsend and was used in any situation if I felt it was needed, over time Ireturned the crate and the dog stayed.

Less than a year ago my daughter and boyfriend bought a Lancashire Heeler puppy and also a crate and Caylas crate guide. The puppy learned the crate was her bed and would actively go into it of her own accord and house training was a doddle. When the puppy goes out in the car she gets in her crate which is secured in the car and is happy to do so. She still sleeps in her crate with the door open and she will be 1 year old later this month.

Used correctly it is a wonderful tool but like anything can be abused if used incorrectly. I am now a big fan of crates.:)
 
Spudlet said:
So, remind me again why this is your business? They may have made arrangements that they have not seen fit to share with you.
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My son has just bought pup hes taken two weeks off work and will be going home lunchtimes my husband is going to call mid morning to let him play with our dog until he can walk him around 11 and his girlfriends family will help out with afternoons.Things might not be quite what you think:rolleyes::)
 
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