Another fatal accident in eventing...

Extreamly tragic
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My thoughts go out to all who knew both horse and rider.
 
How tragic, especially to have lost both horse and rider. Although they will be able to ride on together now.

You have all mentioned, the jumps, and pins and stages and the dressage, but what about the saddle? I seem to remember talk a while ago that with new saddles designed to keep you more secure they actually endangered you in a rotational fall as you were not thrown out of the saddle when you really need to be.
I am of the believe that a horse needs to have an instict, skill and a certain sense to be able to tackle XC. They need to be able to save you, not you save them.
 
Sh*t. Poor Eleanor, she was at Hartpury with me before I changed courses. I never really met her properly, but from what I knew of her from other people, she was really up-and-coming and very talented, plus a nice person with many friends at college. I know she had a lot of trouble with her Badminton horse Bailey Zwei (not sure exactly what though) and lost him a while ago too. At least she died doing what she lived to do. RIP Eleanor and Mr Barnabus
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RIP
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AGree, i think it a combination of higher submission asked for from the horse means less ability to think on their feet and gives wider scope for things to go wrong as the rider will say jump and the horse will, even if on a duff stride, whereas previously it has been more on horse and rider instinct, and the horses want to do the XC, not necessarily doing what it is told every stride. This combined with the speed required to stop it being a Dressage competition is what, IMHO is causing the probs.
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Firstly sympathy to her connections, they must be devastated.
re the reasoning behind more fatalities I agree with MDM, years ago having a fantastic XC horse was the paramount requirement of an event horse, you could muddle through the dressage phase because the standards were way below what they are today.
Now the phases are more equal and an average type horse can compete, but when it comes to the crunch, they make a mistake and fall.
Take Jonty and Chcolate. The inexperience of Chocx gave him a bruising fall at a fairly difficult fence at Stockland Lovell. He made a novice mistake, hit the fence with his legs and fell heavily.
Take Jonty, who the other week did a fun ride there and also met the same fence the first time. She too almost made a mistake but being cat like twizzled mid air, somehow lifted higher and landed effortlessly despite the mistake.
One is a good but in experienced horse, the other a clever little cat like horse who gets herself and her rider out of a mess...
We can never lose sight of the fact what riders do Xc is a risky sport. All organisers can do is make the fences as safe as possible and it's up to riders to assess their horse's ability before entering.
This young lady sounds very experienced despite her young age, and they both just made a mistake.. personally I would ban all table fences, I have always said they are bloody dangerous things, if you make a mistake, there is no get out..
 
I must admit, I hate to hear of yet another tragic eventing accident.
But we also must remember she died doing something she really enjoyed and put her heart into.
That's got to count for something, in her short life, she enjoyed what she did right up to the very end.
My best wishes go to her family and all that new her. x
 
Read all these posts and I am going to get yelled at and make many enemies I am sure! Ride a lame horse and this is what happes period...

Hereis what this horse did this year... WHY WHY WHY PUSH IT!!!! 2007 was Eleminations!! and Retirments and more poles down then up!!
Running a 2Star!!! Are yo kidding me!!! Goodbye to this forum I am sure I am going to take licking here!! Ill respond to no email or comments!! This sportneeds to make Major changes!!


2007-11-03 - River Glen H.T. (TN) Area 3

IntermediateYOI (Starters: 10) Dres.
Score SJ
Time SJ
Jump XC
Time XC
Jump Final
Score Place USEA Points

Mister Barnabus / Eleanor Brennan (VA) 41.03 0.00 20.00 30.40 0.00 91.43 7 0.0


2007-10-04 - Morven Park Three-Day Event & Advanced H.T. (VA) Area 2

AdvancedA-1 (Starters: 19) Dres.
Score SJ
Time SJ
Jump XC
Time XC
Jump Final
Score Place USEA Points

Mister Barnabus / Eleanor Brennan (VA) 38.70 47.20 0.00 E 0


2007-09-22 - Plantation H.T. (PA) Area 2

IntermediateYOI (Starters: 7) Dres.
Score SJ
Time SJ
Jump XC
Time XC
Jump Final
Score Place USEA Points

Mister Barnabus / Eleanor Brennan (VA) 38.30 1.00 16.00 R 0


2007-09-07 - Poplar Place H.T. (GA) Area 3

HT 2-StarCIC** (Starters: 14) Dres.
Score SJ
Time SJ
Jump XC
Time XC
Jump Final
Score Place USEA Points

Mister Barnabus / Eleanor Brennan (VA) 62.80 14.00 24.00 24.40 0.00 125.20 8 0


2007-08-17 - Waredaca H.T. (MD) Area 2

IntermediateOIA (Starters: 17) Dres.
Score SJ
Time SJ
Jump XC
Time XC
Jump Final
Score Place USEA Points

Mister Barnabus / Eleanor Brennan (VA) 35.90 12.00 20.00 R 0


2007-07-21 - The Maryland H.T. at Loch Moy Farm II (MD) Area 2

PreliminaryJYOP (Starters: 17) Dres.
Score SJ
Time SJ
Jump XC
Time XC
Jump Final
Score Place USEA Points

Mister Barnabus / Eleanor Brennan VA (VA) 41.30 7.00 8.00 9.20 20.00 85.50 10 0

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those scores do NOT look good

nothing there to prove lameness but certainly a horse that was perhaps trying to tell the rider something - or maybe one that was doing good at home and failed to produce much on the course - i.e. heart wasn't in the game - plenty of NH horses have a similar attitude - can catch cheetahs on the training gallops and down tools on the racecourse

however it IS still very very sad that both the rider and the horse have paid the ultimate penalty

it will be interesting to see if the horse did have a heart attack as a PMortem is apparently being done.

No - no slagging from me for posting factual results at all - but if you have video or other evidence of 'a lame horse' then please supply as we've had enough this year of amy tryon and her (mis)deeds
 
Very sad news.... I knew her through a friend at Hartpury, although I wasn't her biggest fan wouldn't wish that on anybody, so tragic
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Those scores don't surprise me one bit but regardless it is still an incredibly sad loss - both horse and rider, my thoughts are with all who are involved
 
Thats the american record? Looking at the BE record on the british eventing website it seems like that the horse has been Eliminated or Retired in the cross country at nearly every event its done ( all intermediates) for the whole of the last two years.
That begs the question- why does the FEI allow them to carry on competing at that level, least of all enter a two star.
 
Totally agree.
A lot of people who knew her on a daily basis felt that the combination should not have been competing at that level - regardless of how talented or nice a person she was.

Do you know who owned the horse??
 
I was suprised when she ran him at Longleat 2* and tbh, their scores have been pretty bad. He obviously didnt lack talent but I'd question taking such an out-of-form horse to a 2*

Very, very sad and it doesnt mean she 'deserved it' or anything, I just feel that she increased the risk.
 
if a horse is not going consistently clear and happily at a level (the odd naught run-out doesn't count, obviously...i'm talking consistent stopping, retiring, eliminations) then it is the rider's/owner's responsibility to step it down a level, at the very least, and to find out and solve the problems.
i won't have a go at anyone for posting something factual like those results.
it happened at the penultimate fence though, i thought. were they clear until that point? if so, any criticism is really not at all justified.
i wonder if it was running there in order to maintain qualifications for next year, or something? just a thought. the whole qualification system needs a complete overhaul imho.
very tragic. RIP both horse and rider.
 
OMG I just pulled her British Eventing Record and I am sick to my stomach! I challenge anyone out there to pull a more horrible record from the British Site or the US Eventing site!!

What is the FEI Thinking allowing this combination to compete and I am sorry most of the blame goes to the rider! Now cause everyone in the Eventing world is always afraid to ruffle feathers (At least here in the US this is true) they are going to be looking into eveything but the truth!! I am sick to stomach reading these results! Once again the real problem wll not be discussed by the FEI its going to be another "Fence Issues" "Saftey Issues" Did this rider have Parents?? Trainer?? anyoe who cared enough to say STOP??
 
Have also just looked at it's BE record.. in the 2 years she had it in this country (UK) she entered 20 events with it.. of those 20 events (ranging from novice to **) she only managed to complete 5 of them and of those 20 events, they managed 4 clear rounds XC and 0 clear rounds SJing.. infact her best SJing result was 12 faults...

I find the whole thing quite scary!! not sure which bit more, the fact that the FEI think this is ok, or the fact that the horse was still being run at that level (**)...
 
Can I also just point out that if you look at girls BE record (not just the horse) - you'll see that it isn't too pretty... she's been having major problems with other horses too: She had 32 runs 2006 and 2007, eliminated / retired / withdrew 22 times...

I think the FEI should certainly be monitoring these sorts of records and making the horses / riders drop a level or 2. Its simply not safe to let these sorts of records go on until something like this happens.
 
I absolutely agree. Why on earth didnt someone say STOP.
I mean, Mark Phillips was her trainer for chrissakes- surely he cant be that weak?
 
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I absolutely agree. Why on earth didnt someone say STOP.
I mean, Mark Phillips was her trainer for chrissakes- surely he cant be that weak?

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Or deaf/blind.. surely when you're training someone, you ask how they got on at the weekend.. why didn't alarm bells ring when she probably never had anything good to say??

The other thing i'd like to see.. is her results on how she managed to qualify for Badminton aged 18???
 
Like I said, I wasn't her biggest fan.... ! The whole thing was just dangerous, and if the horse was actually her own or family owned it wasn't even as a result of an owner pushing for results/qualifications!
 
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The other thing i'd like to see.. is her results on how she managed to qualify for Badminton aged 18???

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She qualified in America, Bailey Zwei was a seriously good horse that she seems to have had an amazing partnership with
 
I remember watching her.. he was an awesome horse!!!!
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but whatever country you qualify in, you still have to do the same with regard the FEI?? ie 2*s 3*s etc..

you've got to admit.. her results are a bit scary!!
 
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I remember watching her.. he was an awesome horse!!!!
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but whatever country you qualify in, you still have to do the same with regard the FEI?? ie 2*s 3*s etc..

you've got to admit.. her results are a bit scary!!

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Maybe he was a good xc horse- she seems to have very rarely made it beyond the sj which is a pattern with all of her horses.
 
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