Another fatal dog attack

KikiDee said:
I think the problem in this case is that nobody was home with the poor girl at the time so we'll never really know what happened/what triggered the dog. There were 2 other dogs at the property, a family member has commented that she was trying to separate a dog fight and got caught in the middle, although the dad doesn't mention anything, so who knows. There was the tragic incident a while ago of the dog-walker that was mauled by the dogs she was walking when a fight broke out and they redirected at her. It could have been resource guarding gone badly wrong. It could have been that the dog had a brain tumour or neurological issues that just caused it to flip. I thought the interview that the dad did was fair enough, it was a much loved family pet, not a dangerous dog that they tip-toed around and kept locked away. He wasn't making excuses but saying that he never imagined in his wildest dreams that his dog would behave like that and a warning to others that you can't ever assume you know your dog and that it won't happen. I understand why he did the interview as there was so much public speculation about the breed of dog/circumstances around what happened. It's a devastating tragedy whatever.
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Yup, two other bull breeds. It seems like something out of character and awful happened with the dogs that tragically ended her life.
 
KikiDee said:
It wasn’t really about the breed, more the fact it’s reported to have been a family pet raised as a normal pet for 7 years with no issues I found odd, not an unhinged dog kept locked away which is usually the case. To launch a sustained attack on a grown adult is not ‘normal dog’ behaviour. Of course who knows how reliable/truthful that report is of the dogs history. I did say the dog should be PTS, no argument there. Any dog that shows that level of aggression should be PTS regardless of breed, same for snappy small dogs, just because it’s small enough not to do any real harm it doesn’t deserve a place in society. Plenty of nice dogs out there to take its place.
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I've read a few times on American based dog bite campaigner Facebook pages that pits/bullies have two points where they can snap - as they reach adulthood and at middle age (?), 7 - 10 years. Could be pain related or some sort of brain degeneration?
 
Mrs Jingle said:
I spent most of my childhood with two collies draped across my bed, over the years the disgusting behaviour has been allowed with quite a broad mix of breeds and types, labs, JRT's even a feisty little Patterdale and a few mongrels. Not all at once of course. ;)None of them were ever my 'fur babies' , I shudder at the thought of calling any of them that! 😂

So far I haven't ever had rabies, worms or any other dreadful diseases, nor have I had part of my face ripped off. I guess I must have just been lucky. 🤷‍♀️
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TBH an old friend of mine would have frozen to death in her little old cottage had it not been for her dogs. That said I did not ever want my dog in my bed, she would get covered in mud on a daily basis and was pretty stinky and definitely less hygienic than my husband as much as I dislike having to share a room with him, let alone a bed.
 
marmalade76 said:
So the other two dogs were bull breeds? Yet they think that lurcher was the killer? Sounds a bit iffy to me.
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The other 2 dogs are 18 month old ‘puppies’ from a litter the lurcher had previously. They were apparently in a separate part of the house and it was only the lurcher who showed aggression and attacked the dad also when he arrived at the house, she was also covered in the girls blood according to the dads account. It’s not been disclosed what breed the other 2 dogs are/crossed with.

The dad has asked for all 3 dogs to be destroyed as he feels it’s too dangerous to risk rehoming the younger dogs given their mothers now apparent temperament.
 
I'm Dun said:
I do not even know where to start correcting the utter nonsense in this post. Suffice to say, its horribly outdated nonsense.

My super drivey working dog, best hunting dog people who know more than me have ever seen, hunts most of the year when in season, and he also races, so hes getting his drive met, also sleeps in my bed. The two things are not mutually exclusive. But the rest of your post is nonsense.
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Do bring me right up to date: just why is it such a good idea to sleep with and share one’s bed with a dog? Was it your ambition, or the dog’s?
The hunting / racing / working pooch : do you jet wash the blood, mud, and blow dry him each night, or simply wipe him off on the sheets?
 
I loathe the term "fur baby", but my little dog sleeps on the bed, as have various dogs since I was a child. He doesn't "own" the bed, although for a dog barely weighing 8 kg he does take up a lot of space :p. I think he has a pretty good dog life, has regularly exercise and training, the opportunity to use his brain in agility and man trailing, and is a keen hunter.
 
MurphysMinder said:
I loathe the term "fur baby", but my little dog sleeps on the bed, as have various dogs since I was a child. He doesn't "own" the bed, although for a dog barely weighing 8 kg he does take up a lot of space :p. I think he has a pretty good dog life, has regularly exercise and training, the opportunity to use his brain in agility and man trailing, and is a keen hunter.
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Same. Although I'll admit to clinging on to the edge of the bed as little madam stretches out.

My dog has an excellent life. No pavement pounding here. Miles of beaches and countryside to explore at our leisure which we do everyday.
 
Exasperated said:
Do bring me right up to date: just why is it such a good idea to sleep with and share one’s bed with a dog? Was it your ambition, or the dog’s?
The hunting / racing / working pooch : do you jet wash the blood, mud, and blow dry him each night, or simply wipe him off on the sheets?
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He has a dry coat he wears if hes particularly dirty, but a good dog doesnt get filthy working, they certainly dont get covered in blood. He has lovely warm shower while I check him over, in my shower, gets dried off with a towel, gets fed a big bowl of minced raw meat and goes to my bed to rest. He has regular physio, goes swimming in a dog swimming pool, goes to starbucks where hes a firm favourite with the staff, hes recently been helping me show the local traveller kids they dont need to be scared of dogs and how compassion with animals works better than force.

Thats the beauty of such a well adjusted, nice natured dog. I can and do take him anywhere. My older boy is a medical detection dog. Pretty much trained himself and just needed a bit of shaping. Hes saved my life countless times. He wakes me up when I have hypoglycaemic episodes. As for whose idea it was? Mine initially. Young puppies need touch as much as food and water. But given the breed was in part bred to be bed warmers, I'm pretty sure they would have come up with the idea themselves.

Any more ridiculous questions and thread hijacking you want to do or have you finished airing your hangups on line?
 
KikiDee said:
The other 2 dogs are 18 month old ‘puppies’ from a litter the lurcher had previously. They were apparently in a separate part of the house and it was only the lurcher who showed aggression and attacked the dad also when he arrived at the house, she was also covered in the girls blood according to the dads account. It’s not been disclosed what breed the other 2 dogs are/crossed with.

The dad has asked for all 3 dogs to be destroyed as he feels it’s too dangerous to risk rehoming the younger dogs given their mothers now apparent temperament.
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Ah, I saw photos being shared of 2 dark coloured big staffie type dogs. But they could have been anyones I guess. This is all just so very sad.
 
My dog, who was sadly PTS 6 weeks ago due to old age (15.5 yr old Lurcher) did snap a couple of times in the 7 years I had him but only at my inexperienced partner and his son, each situation I felt they had overstepped the mark with the dog. Please don't judge my dog, he was wonderful and we adored each other, but I still respected he was a dog.

My partner decided to get his teenage son a dog :rolleyes: because his son was desperate for one, it was against my advice as I knew son would get bored very quickly. As I was overruled I absolutely put my foot down to a puppy and insisted on rehoming. We went to a shelter where they fell in love with a husky :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: thankfully that wasn't available! We came home with Banjo, a beautiful 7 yr old Lurcher.

Within a week, again against my advice Banjo was allowed to sleep in the son's bed..... yep, we were woken up to 'something' happening and the son screaming as he had scratches on his face. I was appalled that within a couple of weeks my partner was insisting the dog was allowed back in his son's bed!!! I absolutely said no, I was not allowing them to put the dog in that situation ever again

This to me shows how easily situations can arise when people don't understand dogs, if I hadn't been there the dog would have been put back into a situation where he may have felt trapped again and would have been PTS. I eventually moved out and took the dog with me
 
MurphysMinder said:
Just how do they manage to do that ? There is just him and me in a king size bed and I frequently wake up balancing on just a few inches 😂
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My JR is exactly the same, even worse, he’s now managing to pull most of the duvet over himself and off me and yes he sleeps under the duvet….
PS…who came up with the dreadful “fur baby thing” they should be locked up!
 
This dog attack story doesn't make sense to me. The younger dogs were separated from the older dog and so were not allegedly involved in the attack. A dog fight broke out, (which must have been the 2 younger dogs), which the girl tried to intervene in, then the older dog attacked and killed the girl?

I'm just not getting this and find it disturbing.
 
Fur baby makes me shudder… we are all different, my friend lets her two dogs sleep on her bed which is her choice but I am a really light sleeper and don’t let my dogs upstairs at all, they all shed and I’ve got carpeted stairs and bedroom and it’s nice to not have dog hairs everywhere…
 
Exasperated said:
Do bring me right up to date: just why is it such a good idea to sleep with and share one’s bed with a dog? Was it your ambition, or the dog’s?
The hunting / racing / working pooch : do you jet wash the blood, mud, and blow dry him each night, or simply wipe him off on the sheets?
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Cowardice: In 2009 I moved into a Victorian terrace house that had not been occupied for some years. Prior to that dogs always slept downstairs.

I decided it might be creepy so got my terrier up to sleep in my room. Great idea🙄 2nd or 3rd night at 3.30am there was a huge crash. Dog dived on top of me and lay there shaking! Not comforting. In the morning it transpired that something I had put on bathroom wall had come down and flung itself across the room.

Mostly dogs have been allowed in bedroom since.
 
Exasperated said:
This is right, the case is absolutely tragic, but the circumstances in which the attack bitch lived will be similar/identical to multiple dogs all over the place.
Why are dogs ever living in bedrooms, sleeping on beds with sleeping humans, being actively encouraged to ‘own’ such spaces? Apart from hygiene issues, this is so inappropriate for dogs, but entirely in keeping with the notion of a ‘fur baby’.
You might with good reason prefer your dog to the other humans in your life, but can still respect and treat it as a real live dog, with real live dog needs, drives, idiosyncrasies which need separately addressing from your own.
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One of the homes that returned Tala to dogs trust before we got her returned her because he had woke up with her mouthing on his neck. He seriously took a 40kg dog that he didn't know into his house and shared a bed with it on night 1!!
 
nutjob said:
This dog attack story doesn't make sense to me. The younger dogs were separated from the older dog and so were not allegedly involved in the attack. A dog fight broke out, (which must have been the 2 younger dogs), which the girl tried to intervene in, then the older dog attacked and killed the girl?

I'm just not getting this and find it disturbing.
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And since the girl was alone in the house, it can surely only be supposition?
 
Spotherisk said:
Someone recently asked if mine was a girl or a boy- I answered bitch. She seemed genuinely shocked and no she didn’t think I was being rude to her.
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I couldn't bring myself to say bitch. I just couldn't. It would be girl. There are words I can't stand and that's one of them, although I would happily use it for a human😁
 
Obviously any dog is heavily weighted around the owner actually bothering to train it properly, however these massive breeds are so strong and powerful, they are at GREATER risk of causing harm, without then adding in the risk of them being owned by someone who WANTS to look like they can cause harm

No one can drive a car without a test. So why not apply levels of tests to dog sizes which need to be passed before ownership. (Or another criteria as ive come across a couple of really horrible nippy small dogs, I think the medium breeds often seem nicer even though I am NOT a dog person)

If I ever got a dog I wouldn't even dream of having something like a bully, I don't have the experience with dogs to be able to properly train something where the consequences are far greater if something goes wrong. Plus no way could I hold one, it was alarming enough being towed by a lab when we looked after him for the day

Its not just restricted to the big powerful breeds theres multiple yappy little rats who are just allowed to do as they Please. I know one, husband was about to let my young baby touch it, when its bitten people before, I legged it across the room, baby had his hand out to it, I pushed it back on its shoulder and it went to snap at me.

It definitely needs some sort of competency test, you wouldn't give a 17 year old a ferrari after passing their test and expect it to end well, with all that power and lack of experience

I feel as well, since covid, dogs have become too powerful and seem to be allowed anywhere. I went to a cafe at the weekend and there were a few dogs in there. One was a service dog, fair enough but then we had a pair of yorkie type things. It was quite a small cafe. As a non dog person, I do not want to be eating near dogs that may or may not be clean/well behaved/allowed to lick the table etc. It used to be limited to establishments such as country pubs where dogs were allowed, now they seem to be welcomed with open arms and pray Fido is left at home!

People also seem to assume everyone loves their dogs, the number of times ive been out with the pram and one is allowed to just come up and nose around, yep like im going to touch a strange dog!

These bully things also seem to be wired very very wrong, and when they snap they dont stop
 
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