Another Question about the RAW diet

Forgot to add....got Salem weighed....he's 64kg! He should be 55kg ish.....:p

Looks like he's doing a little too well on the Raw diet - even when I calculated his ration as 2% of 50kg!

Diet time.......
 
Prices for that new supplier:

At the moment we have available:

100% Minced, ground Chicken (meat, cartilage & bone) 400g 61p 700g £1.05

Minced Chicken & Turkey (Chicken meat, cartilage, bone & Turkey muscle meat) 400g 83p 700g n/a

Minced Chicken & Beef Liver (Chicken meat, cartilage, bone & beef liver) 400g 91p 700g n/a

Minced Chicken & Pork Liver (Chicken meat, cartilage, bone & beef liver) 400g 87p 700g n/a

Minced Chicken & Chicken Heart (Chicken meat, cartilage, bone & hearts) 400g 95p 700g £1.59

Minced Chicken & Oily Fish (Chicken meat, cartilage, bone & whole fish) 400g £1.15 700g £2.04

Minced Chicken & Lamb (Chicken meat, cartilage, bone & lamb muscle meat) 400g £1.39 700g n/a

Minced Chicken & Lamb Offal ( Chicken meat, cartilage & bone & lamb offal) 400g 88p 700g £1.49

Minced Chicken & Lean Beef Tripe (Chicken meat, cartilage, bone & beef tripe) 400g 69p 700g £1.17

Minced Chicken & Lamb Tripe (Chicken meat, cartilage, bone & lamb tripe) 400g 72p 700g n/a

Minced Chicken & Wild Wood Pigeon (Chicken & Pigeon meat, cartilage, bone) 400g £1.05 700g n/a

Minced Chicken & Rabbit (Chicken & Rabbit meat, cartilage, bone & offal) 400g 83p 700g n/a

100% Minced Oily Fish 400g £1.52 700g n/a

100% Minced Lamb Tripe 400g 89p

Bones:

Our current prices for Raw Meaty Bones (and they are meaty!!)

Chicken:
2 joint wings £1.52/kg
3 joint wings £2.75/kg
Tails £1.04/kg
Backs 89p/kg
15kg box of carcass (frozen) £10

Lamb:
Ribs, Tails, Necks & Leg bones £1.54/kg

Beef:
Recreational bones 56p/kg
Marrowbone £2.21/kg
Tendon chews £2.76/kg

Fish:
Sprats £3.09/kg
Whole trout £3.15/kg

Tripe:
Chunked lean beef tripe 1kg bag £1.58- None in stock at the moment but we may have it next week.
Chunked lamb tripe 1kg bag £1.98 - None in stock at the moment but we may have it next week.

Pork:
Tails, Ears & Trotters £1.82/kg - A few ears still in stock no trotters or tails at the moment.
Pancreas £5.51/kg - Available next week.

Our prices are due for review November 2011.
 
ComparIson with the Dog Food Company (Norfolk, delivers most places south of Lincolnshire)

Product Unit of Sale Box Cost
Lamb and Tripe Mix 1 lb * 42p / lb
Ox Liver 1 lb * 48p / lb
Ox Heart 1 lb * 75p / lb
Chicken Wings 1KG 15 KG 97p / Kilo
Chicken Carcasses - 15 KG 50p / kilo
Tripe (Chunky) 2lb (block) 40p /lb
Tripe (Green) 1 lb Tube * 35p /lb
Lamb (Breast) 1 lb rib * £1.00 /lb
Mixer (Chudleys) 10 KG 15 KG POA
Chicken Necks * 15 KG 75p / kilo
Chicken Mince with bone 1lb * 33p /lb
economy mince 1lb * 31p /lb
Whole Rabbit each * £2.00
meaty bones 1lb * 32p /lb
Mince Beef TBA * 75p /lb
Pig Pluck (offal) 2lb bag 7 lb box 74p /lb
 
Just had a month's worth and extras delivered from Durham Animal Feed...

I have body parts stashed in every corner of the kitchen and shed and 10kg green tripe in the kitchen sink.

FFS - now I need to go buy a chest freezer.

Bloody dogs, bloody Raw.....Kibble was so much easier:p
 
Oberon said:
Just had a month's worth and extras delivered from Durham Animal Feed...

I have body parts stashed in every corner of the kitchen and shed and 10kg green tripe in the kitchen sink.

FFS - now I need to go buy a chest freezer.

Bloody dogs, bloody Raw.....Kibble was so much easier:p
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Yeah, stick them on Bakers! :p (Not!) I tell you, my kitchen sometimes looks like the scene of a horror film and I nearly chucked at the bunny crunching yesterday. :o
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I've got 20kgs green tripe defrosting in my kitchen (need to wait 24 hours before I can put stuff in the new freezer) but I don't mind - I rather like tripe.

It feels like seaweed, the dogs love it, it isn't gory with blood and I actually like the smell.

It smells like cow pats and reminds me of running through the fields as a kid:p
 
Ok, we are three months into raw now.

Salem (Inuit with permanent rash and constant itching) has now stopped scratching altogether. Even more so now that I have stopped feeding chicken to him.

Xara (elderly, mutt) had been very shy of chewing for about a year. Vet had said it could have been inflamed ligaments around her jaw and not to worry :/ . She had terrible breath (even though her teeth weren't too bad) and would never take a piece of food from your hand without investigating it first and deciding if she could chew it or not. She'd be so ginger and obviously frustrated.....

Three months on and she happily chews on big bones and has a big lump of tripe each day. She also loves whole chicken feet. She has her Yumove tablets each day - and nips my fingers in her enthusiasm:p

Earlier in the thread I posted that I was concerned if she would be able to do Raw because of her jaw issue.

I can't believe the change! She is so much happier and confident.

And the poops are so much kinder to me. I am delighted:)
 
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We have had runny poop all over the kitchen for the last two nights
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Not the best advert for Raw, but I know (because I am fully in charge of what they eat nowadays) that this has happened because I got a free bag of stuff from the local butcher on a whim when I bought us some chicken the other day. It was a bag full of bony bits, skin, fat etc and I lovingly filled their bowls up and watched them enjoy
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I SHOULD have rationed it out and frozen the rest.
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I blamed Salem (younger Inuit) as it looked like his sized poop, so I have fasted him all day (much to Hubby's sorrow). Now I have just got up (I'm on nights) Hubby comes trotting to me to say he witnessed Xara (old dog) having a runny poop outside today and so Salem (his favourite) is innocent
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So they're both having a big lump of bone now, from the freezer, to firm them both up.

Moral of the story is, go slowly and when you hit a problem, there is always something you can do.
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I have never heard of this raw diet before. This is a real eye opener for me. Now this might be a stupid question, but when you say raw, do you really mean raw? Do you cook anything? The chicken for example? Doesn't it make them ill if it's not cooked. Also, 2nd stupid question, I was always told that dogs can't have chicken bones as they get stuck in their throats etc etc. Is that rubbish then? Sorry, I sound stupid though I'm really not. I'm just used to always feeding my dog biscuits :)
 
No cooking at all.

Feeding raw means the dogs have full access to the nutrients. You start off very slowly, with only chicken for the first two weeks and gradually introduce different meat sources and then (after about a month) you bring in organs and liver (essential for the nutrients).

This slow introduction allows the dog's stomach to develop the correct type of acid in order to be able to digest properly. Dog's stomachs are much more acidic than our - hence they can cope with raw meat and dodgy meat in a way that we can't.

Chicken bones are fine as long as they aren't cooked. They don't get stuck and (once up to scratch) the acid digests the bones nicely. I found bits of bones coming out when we first started raw, but we don't any more.

The Raw diet follows what a wolf would eat. There is a ratio of 80% meat, 10% bone, 5% organ and 5% liver to follow and that is all you need to do.

No fruit/vegetables/cereals required.

I started raw in June and have seen my chronic itcher stop itching and my non-chewing, sore jaw dog happily devour bones. Their poop is tiny now, they don't smell or pass gas and they are both calm and happy :)

I use a company who deliver my order to my door and it costs me £50 - £65 a month for two large dogs. (I could make it much cheaper, but I'm happy to pay that for the convenience).

This way I know exactly what my dogs are eating. Not sure your biscuits can say the same;)
 
Ilovefoals said:
Thanks oberon. That's really helpful. Can I ask which company you use?
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Rawtogo based in Wales, delivers nationwide via courier. They do minces and bones. You need to add offal to the minces.

DAF (Durham Animal Feeds) have franchises in Durham :rolleyes: and Kent and elsewhere. No idea about them but have heard good things.

Dog Food Company based in Norfolk, delivers to anywhere south of Lincolnshire. I recommend him, but be persistent contacting him cos he's a one man band and always busy. Cheaper than Rawtogo.

Morrisons are fab for trotters, lamb bones, diced ox heart, whole lamb hearts, pig skin, kidney, liver.
 
I use Durham Animal Feeds as they deliver to Blackpool. Very happy with them, lovely people.

It's perfectly possible to use local butchers and supermarkets to source your food, but I like the convenience of having what I need delivered, rather than going here, there and everywhere searching for offal as each butcher didn't have enough kidneys for me;)
 
Thanks for all the info guys. Another couple of questions if I may??

We have started mixing a bit of beef mince or chicken with her Burns biscuits. Is that the right way to go about it or should you just go straight from dry food to raw?

She has had some runny poo since introducing the raw meat 2 days ago. Is that normal?

I've ordered some of the chicken mixes from here http://www.naturalinstinct.com/categories/Adult/ but they wont deliver til tues. So should I just leave her on the Burns til it arrives and start afresh then?

Thanks :)
 
It's all or nothing with Raw. Mixing isn't a good idea - kibble and raw digest at different rates and this is where problems occur.

Is the link you put up raw meat or cooked?

If you are wishing to do raw you need to start slow and continue slow. An eight week programme of introducing new meats is needed. The loose stools is you overloading the stomach which isn't ready. The acid in your dog's stomach is set to a certain mix from the kibble - it needs to be trained into another mix for raw (back to what it should be, naturally).

I found this to be invaluable
http://preymodelraw.com/how-to-get-started/

I fed chicken pieces from Sainsbury's for the first two weeks.
Week 3 - added pork
Week 4 - added fish (tinned at first)
Week 5 - added turkey
Week6 - added beef
Week 7 - added liver
Week 8 - added kidneys.

All the while using chicken alongside. The first few months are 'bone heavy' to stave off and loose stools (hence the chicken).

You may find a little vomiting and bones in poop for first two weeks. Again, this is while the stomach acid is still in training.

I can't stress how important it is to go slowly at first - people find problems when they get enthusiastic and rush. And the dog gets sick because of it.
 
Thanks oberon, great link! The food in the link I put up is all raw. I think until it comes on tues, I'll feed her the chicken pieces I have bought and cut out the kibble altogether. Does that sound ok? Then I can get into a regime like you have above from tues. Many thanks :)
 
Ribs are fine. Threw a handful out to the Wolf when at the butcher's before. He enjoyed munching (for free) while I was buying meat for us;)
 
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