Anti bark collars

Clodagh said:
I think Dree has every right to post her opinion, and it is interesting always to hear how diffferent people do things. On a forum it is hard to read the tone of things, and that goes for everyone.
I hate dog showing when they are strangled to hold their heads up, btw. ;)
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Oh FFS this is getting ridiculous - I didnt say Dree DIDNT have a right to post her opinion, I said that IMO that particular post was unnecessarily emotive and therefore was (again IMO) trolling for the reasons previously stated. If she (I am guessing she?) had stated her views in a different manner I would not have made the comment - see for example the way Sandstone responded to me, explaining her view calmly and unemotionally

And Sandstone, I am not and never have suggested you need to be intimidated by my views or anyone elses views on this forum, that is a perception all of your own
 
Levrier said:
Oh FFS this is getting ridiculous - I didnt say Dree DIDNT have a right to post her opinion, I said that IMO that particular post was unnecessarily emotive and therefore was (again IMO) trolling for the reasons previously stated. If she (I am guessing she?) had stated her views in a different manner I would not have made the comment - see for example the way Sandstone responded to me, explaining her view calmly and unemotionally

And Sandstone, I am not and never have suggested you need to be intimidated by my views or anyone elses views on this forum, that is a perception all of your own
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Maybe it is. It's just that on this part of the forum it often seems posters do seem to get jumped on for having different views to some long term posters with strong views and it may be off putting to some.
I'm afraid I'm old enough and ugly enough not to be bothered by that as I'm more than able to stand my ground.
perhaps I'm wrong as I say and apologise if its just my perception of it.
 
Lalalalala. I knew when I saw the title of this thread it would be unwise to open it ;)

If I have terriers and quite like and laugh at the fact that they frequently look at me like I've gone out when I give them a command does that make me a new age or old fashioned type dog trainer?
 
Sandstone1 said:
Maybe it is. It's just that on this part of the forum it often seems posters do seem to get jumped on for having different views to some long term posters with strong views and it may be off putting to some.
I'm afraid I'm old enough and ugly enough not to be bothered by that as I'm more than able to stand my ground.
perhaps I'm wrong as I say and apologise if its just my perception of it.
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dont apologise, it just seems that feelings run very high when dog training is involved. some of the posters who have been around a long time have shedloads of experience and are giving their views on what has worked for them. as i said before each dog is an individual and i thought i was a good dog trainer until i encountered my last lurcher 17 years ago. what a shock!!!! i then realised i had to act very differently with her as she had a very high prey drive which i hadnt encountered before even though i had owned lurchers before...i had also owned many terriers but my latest little monster (who is currently asleep on my lap, love him...) has been a huge challenge and i have had to learn different strategies to combat his behaviour. ..i have owned dogs for over 50 years and am still learning and will always read these threads and take some of the ideas on board...
 
DabDab said:
Lalalalala. I knew when I saw the title of this thread it would be unwise to open it ;)

If I have terriers and quite like and laugh at the fact that they frequently look at me like I've gone out when I give them a command does that make me a new age or old fashioned type dog trainer?
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Genuine question, because I've only ever had the adorable George!

IF I were to have a terrier puppy in the future, would I be able to train said puppy not to yap all the time? I am at a really genuine loss to know what is George-after-11-years and what is terriers per se? :)
 
Moobli said:
I am not a positive only trainer (I wish I had the skill set to be) but do try to use positive rewards based methods where I can, and especially with puppies when learning new behaviours. However, I will use "no" (which I believe some positive only trainers disagree with) and I will raise my voice, tap on the bum etc if I feel it is warranted. I've always tried to train the dog in front of me and different dogs often require different approaches.
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This. Honestly, common sense prevails every time. I’ve owned dogs that could not care less if you threatened them with the electric chair. Others would have a breakdown if you so much as raised an eyebrow. Judging the dog in front of you and understanding what will work for that dog is paramount.
 
Levrier said:
Genuine question, because I've only ever had the adorable George!

IF I were to have a terrier puppy in the future, would I be able to train said puppy not to yap all the time? I am at a really genuine loss to know what is George-after-11-years and what is terriers per se? :)
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We've had one who yapped ALL THE TIME. TBF she was rehomed as she did just that, and they were totally honest but she still totally did my head in. We got her at a year old and when she died at 13 she was still yapping ALL THE BLOODY TIME. The other 20 odd terriers we had over the years were mostly absolutely fine and no woofier than anything else, tbh. The odd one did like the sound of it's own voice but not too bad. And I am extremely bark intolarant.
 
DabDab said:
Lalalalala. I knew when I saw the title of this thread it would be unwise to open it ;)

If I have terriers and quite like and laugh at the fact that they frequently look at me like I've gone out when I give them a command does that make me a new age or old fashioned type dog trainer?
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It makes you a realist!
 
Levrier said:
Oh FFS this is getting ridiculous - I didnt say Dree DIDNT have a right to post her opinion, I said that IMO that particular post was unnecessarily emotive and therefore was (again IMO) trolling for the reasons previously stated. If she (I am guessing she?) had stated her views in a different manner I would not have made the comment - see for example the way Sandstone responded to me, explaining her view calmly and unemotionally

And Sandstone, I am not and never have suggested you need to be intimidated by my views or anyone elses views on this forum, that is a perception all of your own
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Calm down, you are getting awful defensive. It wasn't specifically aimed at you - you and Dree and CC and me and Sandstone and everyone else have every right to state our opinions.
 
I am not a dog expert by any means. Had dogs when I lived with my parents, but after leaving home, working etc, it was never the right time to get a dog. When Aled (Border Collie) came to us as a 10yo, he was very well trained. Took a while to get him used to the horses, and after about 6 weeks we found out about his resource guarding issues! We learnt to manage his guarding issues, I got bitten once which ended with me on AB’s. He was absolutely terrified of loud noises, fireworks, guns etc. He would be ok with the gas guns near the horses as long as we were playing ball. In one way, I’m glad he’s no longer with us, as last years firework season was an absolute nightmare for him. 😢

We got Luna as puppy. You can never let Huskies off lead we were told. They don’t know recall, prey drive is sky high they said. We worked very hard on recall with her, but she was never off lead unless in a secure field. She was an absolute pleasure, followed me everywhere when doing the horses, left them completely alone, moved away if they got too close. At 2yo, almost to the day, her prey drive kicked in. She knows the rabbits are the other side of the fence, and spends the whole time looking for a way out. Am hoping that will calm down a bit when winter hits!

We got Bo, the 4yo Border Collie in Feb. He couldn’t be more different to Aled. He is very lead aggressive, and gets very very anxious, also doesn’t really like people he doesn’t know. CC and Moobli, as well as Clodagh have given me lots of help and advice. He will now walk ok on lead if we are on our own. We’ve been on holiday this week, and he’s had to be on lead some of the time, and although he hasn’t been happy about it, he has coped.

Guess what I’m trying to say is, all dogs are different, even when same breeds. I know some people who walk their husky off lead all the time, definitely not something I would ever do. The 2 collies we’ve had have been chalk and cheese. When we got Bo, he had a habit of cocking his leg and spraying around the house. When a firm no didn’t work, he did get a tap on the bum. I think he’d stopped within a week.

Sorry for the ramble.
 
Levrier said:
Genuine question, because I've only ever had the adorable George!

IF I were to have a terrier puppy in the future, would I be able to train said puppy not to yap all the time? I am at a really genuine loss to know what is George-after-11-years and what is terriers per se? :)
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If I had to generalise I would say that jrts tend to be gobbier than the average dog, but terriers in general are fairly quiet I think.

My little Dee is exceptionally chatty, but mainly just conversational type noises rather than yapping at you, but she does have an overwhelming urge to bark when let out first thing in the morning. If I'm stood there distracting and reminding her every 30 seconds or so then she can just about keep the bark in, but I can see that it is taking every ounce of self control in her body, and the moment I walk away she'll scoot round the corner to let the bark out. Could it be trained out of her? Possibly. But her natural urge to do it is as strong as her natural urge to pee. Fortunately Eira is as quiet as a church mouse and if she ever does see something that causes her to let out a bark she responds 100% to a request to pipe down and leave whatever it is alone.
 
Levrier said:
Honestly Dree, it is posts like this that really annoy people, long time established users or not. No, you did not explicitly say that I was cruel, you suggested it by association which anyone with a modicum of understanding of the English language would understand

I can say without a doubt, based on your previous posting history, that if I had NOT given you those specific references you would have claimed I was attributing things to you incorrectly.

Since I have given them, you claim I have "wasted my time" looking them up.

To explain, the sort of approach that you have used is called 'internet trolling' - posting things which are specifically designed to cause a reaction. Those of us who have been on the forum for a long time have seen it hundreds of times over the years, and it really does get a bit tedious and repetitive after a while. You will now claim I am arrogant, rude, a bully, etc etc etc.
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Basically......What on earth are you talking about???? Where have I posted something to specifically cause a reaction?

Personally, your post above is, to me, quite inexplicable and utter rubbish.

Edit to add.....have looked at posts 19 and 20 and still haven't a clue what you're on about.
 
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splashgirl45 said:
have read all of this thread and have had to sit on my fingers but will now put my point of view...... what must be kept in mind is the dog in front of you at the time and some slightly more forceful means may be necessary, for instance if you have taken on a large adult dog who has no manners a choke collar together with a normal collar may be useful in the case of said large dog deciding it will run across the road and take no notice of the normal collar, you then have a second strategy. i have had different breeds and collies seem to train themselves and only need things explained once at the other end of the spectrum is terriers who need telling countless times and can be quite challenging, and lots of others in between. one training method CANNOT be used for every dog.....
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I used to go out to all types of dogs which had been allowed to get out of control. The same tools control them all. You put some rules in place before you step out the door. Physical strength shouldn't come into it.....I don't want to fight a Rottie any more than I would fight a stallion. All dogs eat, so all dogs can be trained by clicker training.....with food. That is it put very basically.....and how I wish collies trained themselves to do what I want them to do....not make up mischief for themselves. :)
 
Levrier said:
Oh FFS this is getting ridiculous - I didnt say Dree DIDNT have a right to post her opinion, I said that IMO that particular post was unnecessarily emotive and therefore was (again IMO) trolling for the reasons previously stated. If she (I am guessing she?) had stated her views in a different manner I would not have made the comment - see for example the way Sandstone responded to me, explaining her view calmly and unemotionally

And Sandstone, I am not and never have suggested you need to be intimidated by my views or anyone elses views on this forum, that is a perception all of your own
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And, imo, you make assumptions which are both incorrect and harsh and downright stupid sometimes, as well as being totally arrogant, because you assume that we are all bowing down to your opinion. Me stating that e-collars (or citronella ones) make you a cruel person is just farcical. You need to see someone about your over-rated opinion of yourself and your posts. Maybe you should have a good look at your posts, and see who the troll really is?
 
Levrier said:
Funnily enough that’s exactly what I said 🙄

I’d also be interested to find out when I’ve ever said ‘mine is the only training method that should be used’?
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This is what I consider to be trolling......written solely for a reaction.:(
 
dree said:
And, imo, you make assumptions which are both incorrect and harsh and downright stupid sometimes, as well as being totally arrogant, because you assume that we are all bowing down to your opinion. Me stating that e-collars (or citronella ones) make you a cruel person is just farcical. You need to see someone about your over-rated opinion of yourself and your posts. Maybe you should have a good look at your posts, and see who the troll really is?
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Bless 😊
 
Levrier said:
Bless 😊
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And that is downright nasty. You need help. You accuse people of trolling....please can you show me a post where I am too "emotive" (can someone be too emotive on a subject they love?) as apparently that makes me a troll?
 
I am removing myslelf from this forum. No doubt Levrier, and others, will be delighted. From the moment I typed a post on here the "atmosphere", for want of a better word, has been antagonistic, negative, almost toxic. I don't need that in my life. All my posts seem to have been about replying to certain people over their sarcasm and their seeming belief that they "own" this forum.....or this part of it. I would like to say it's been a pleasure, but it's been anything but. I wish the genuine people on here the very best. For myself, life is too short for what has been, it seems, a constant battle. I have other battles to fight, like the one for my health. This negativity, as I said in a previous post, is what can drive someone over the edge. I'm not one of them. But in a day and age when suicide rates are high, people really should think twice before they reply with sarcastic and often downwright nasty posts.
 
dree said:
I am removing myslelf from this forum. No doubt Levrier, and others, will be delighted. From the moment I typed a post on here the "atmosphere", for want of a better word, has been antagonistic, negative, almost toxic. I don't need that in my life. All my posts seem to have been about replying to certain people over their sarcasm and their seeming belief that they "own" this forum.....or this part of it. I would like to say it's been a pleasure, but it's been anything but. I wish the genuine people on here the very best. For myself, life is too short for what has been, it seems, a constant battle. I have other battles to fight, like the one for my health. This negativity, as I said in a previous post, is what can drive someone over the edge. I'm not one of them. But in a day and age when suicide rates are high, people really should think twice before they reply with sarcastic and often downwright nasty posts.
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There's no need to flounce. You clearly care deeply about your dogs and are a knowledgeable dog owner with a good deal of experience. so it would be great to have you on here.

The only reason that you've had people responding to you fairly robustly is that your tone, on this thread and others, comes across as patronising, like you're trying to educate the simpletons, which obviously tends to get people's backs up. But I'm sure your posting style will settle and make it easier for you to get your opinion across - like you say you're not used to these forums yet
 
dree said:
I am removing myslelf from this forum. No doubt Levrier, and others, will be delighted. From the moment I typed a post on here the "atmosphere", for want of a better word, has been antagonistic, negative, almost toxic. I don't need that in my life. All my posts seem to have been about replying to certain people over their sarcasm and their seeming belief that they "own" this forum.....or this part of it. I would like to say it's been a pleasure, but it's been anything but. I wish the genuine people on here the very best. For myself, life is too short for what has been, it seems, a constant battle. I have other battles to fight, like the one for my health. This negativity, as I said in a previous post, is what can drive someone over the edge. I'm not one of them. But in a day and age when suicide rates are high, people really should think twice before they reply with sarcastic and often downwright nasty posts.
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JUst use UI for people you don't want to engage with. :-)
 
dree said:
I am removing myslelf from this forum. No doubt Levrier, and others, will be delighted. From the moment I typed a post on here the "atmosphere", for want of a better word, has been antagonistic, negative, almost toxic. I don't need that in my life. All my posts seem to have been about replying to certain people over their sarcasm and their seeming belief that they "own" this forum.....or this part of it. I would like to say it's been a pleasure, but it's been anything but. I wish the genuine people on here the very best. For myself, life is too short for what has been, it seems, a constant battle. I have other battles to fight, like the one for my health. This negativity, as I said in a previous post, is what can drive someone over the edge. I'm not one of them. But in a day and age when suicide rates are high, people really should think twice before they reply with sarcastic and often downwright nasty posts.
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Don’t leave. I’m sure there are many posters who enjoy your posts but are reluctant to post their support for fear of becoming involved in petty squabbles. I, for one, have never thought that you were a troll. Years ago on this forum the ultimate put down was to be accused of being a bunny hugger, now it seems the word Troll is thrown at posters if others disagree with their posts. As Clodagh says put them on UI. 🙂
 
DabDab said:
There's no need to flounce. You clearly care deeply about your dogs and are a knowledgeable dog owner with a good deal of experience. so it would be great to have you on here.

The only reason that you've had people responding to you fairly robustly is that your tone, on this thread and others, comes across as patronising, like you're trying to educate the simpletons, which obviously tends to get people's backs up. But I'm sure your posting style will settle and make it easier for you to get your opinion across - like you say you're not used to these forums yet
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Thank-you. I do not intend to be patronising.
 
Do flounce if you feel the need, you're not the first. I agree with DabDab that you are very patronising etc. You pissed me off no end when your ire was directed at everyone and two people in particular. You appear to be someone who winds people up and then acts all offended when they bite back. I would not come to you for dog advice as it comes across to me that you're energy is very dominant and I wouldn't want that. I would go to the two (Lev and CC) you seemed to have taken exception to. I have taken tips on dog training from all over, including the Generation Game( I think. Larry and Bruce were hosts) which I still use to this day. I don't know what you are like irl but you need to chill out a bit if you want to get your message across here.
 
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