Any horse snobs who can’t ride?

ecb89 said:
Exactly. I think some people think IDs are just big cobs. They are not!
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ID's are the most versatile all rounders money can buy. I lost one at just 13 and he won county level heavyweight hunters classes, was a medium level BD horse, hunted, jumped and hacked. Safe and honest but with plenty of go and the kindest temperament, quick to learn and huge will to please.
 
I actually under horsed myself I bought a fancy looking Irish sport horse with no talent and if you look at breeding it was just a Irish draught that couldn’t be registered because it was crossbreed with so many Irish Draught it was technically one but it wasn’t gray and had nice markings. It was extremely lazy and was really just Suited for someone to have fun on . The crazy thing is my horse dam was a successful 1.20 eventer and haft brothers and sisters we really good event horses one of them went to the Olympics and the others were extremely good broodmares that produced really famous stallion . It sounds unbelievable but in saying that my horses haft brother and sister were sired by famous warmbloods . My horse was sired by a very quiet Irish draughty stallion that wasn’t well known.

I don’t think op is a troll people lie about the riding ability all the time years ago I knew this girl from school that has a load of people try a big fancy competition horse she was selling as going to college and the people could barely canter but on the phone they sounded like very experienced who had horses for years but turns out they were in a riding school . Some people are to nice and wouldn’t tell someone to get off and leave, that why the horse didn’t work out for op because the owners wouldn’t sell the horse.

As for para horses they are usually schooled by professionals and a lot of the riders don’t own these horses they just get to ride them for competitions and they tend to be older horses that are in there 20s . They tend to have quite horses at home that aren’t fancy.
 
Wasn’t there an American woman who bought a top level dressage horse who was schooled/trained by a pro. She entered quite high level competitions but could not sit to the horse at all - I saw videos of her bouncing around on the horse. There was a big debate about whether judges should be much harsher and score her much lower even though horse was performing well because the riding was so, so far below the standard of everyone else at that level.
 
SEL said:
Shame - I've never known anyone with a budget that big & wanted to see the outcome!
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Me too. Gutting.

FWIW I love a pretty face. A WB does nothing for me though. I loved riding my TB, so fast 😍 but I only realised how much I loved playing ponies when I got another Haffie. I love her character and how easily she makes me smile. No amount of fancy dressage moves or red ribbons could beat that.
 
This is a joke, right? 😅


Who in their right mind would spend 50-75k (in pounds even!!) as a beginner? Never mind the Ferrari it's a bloody "just had the training wheels of my bicycle, think I'll buy myself a NASA rocket"- moment 😂

My first horse as a beginner was a whopping £1k 21 year old SWB school master. Awesome horse who taught me lots (a lot of it was how hard the ground is and how quickly it comes when you free dive from +17 hh because of a leaf in the wrong place). Another, years later whom I got for traiding in my youngster, was a 20 year old SWB sired by Cardento and, his jumping linage aside, had the most wonderful extended trot I've ever ridden. I still miss him and his quirky warmblood stupidity, bless that old grey fool 🥲

As a soon to be 40 year old lady I have given up on warmbloods and fully embraced wooly, half wild bog ponies. They are smaller and much more docile and alot less stupid than expensive, talented gorgeous warmbloods.
 
Birker2020 said:
It's hard when you have been lucky enough to have owned beautiful quality WB's all your life and been complimented on them whenever you've been out and about competing

Then you suddenly realise you'd probably be better off with something less elegant and something like a rock steady Eddie because you lack the confidence of the old you or you're too long in the tooth to spend hours in A&E waiting for an xray!

I guess that might sound snobby to some but it's not intended, it's just personal preference.

I'm beginning to come round to the idea of an ID or a cob type but it's going to have to be right for my purpose l, not too heavy and not too behind the leg because that would bore me to tears. Been there and done that and having a unsuitable horse which is lazy, boring and too quiet can be as detrimental to me as something that is too sharp or off the leg.

You'll find something but you might need to widen your options. I can't compromise on height or age but I can possibly compromise on colour or breed to an extent and have started to do so.

I've considered both the piebald (too expensive) and the grey (worried about cresty neck) but I know my preference will always be for the third type. I would probably suit the second horse much better even though I really don't want a grey for so many reasons.
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I haven't read the rest of this thread but I would encourage you to go and ride a couple of ID's and see what you think - I owned (pity bought from someone not treating him well rather than due to any misplaced aspirations) a dressage bred 18.3hh Westphalian before Dex and whilst of course he doesn't have the massive (read: unsittable for an amateur) paces that Jacob had, Dex is equally as light and forward, his paces are really coming through, he finds extension and collection easy in hand and the beginnings of it ridden and while he is course not as athletic, his brain and attitude is just a joy to work with, he never says no or is unreasonable, he instead says 'I'll have a go' and actually uses his brain to think! They really aren't as stiff and workmanlike as you may think, only when people haven't schooled or worked with them well. If you wore spurs with Dex or hacked him without a pelham, whilst polite about it, you'd end up in France. 😂

For example, due to being 4yo, and because I'm not that skilled, we are just starting to canter in the school in a semi balanced manner and he is so sensitive that I looked at my instructor stood with the poop scoop outside the school as I was pleased with the transition, and due to that small shift onto my outside seatbone he did a beautiful change along the long side haha!
 
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If you really want to do PSG tests it’s perfectly possible to compete on a spotty pony, that will certainly make you stand out from the mob 😆 you really don’t need a big fancy horse when you can achieve more comfortably on more more suitable for your level of training.
 
ycbm said:
Weren't IDs foundation stallions for many warmblood registers in the 1800s?
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I thought warmbloods were initially ID x TB. And also called Irish Sport Horses a few decades ago. Not sure if that's still what ISH strictly refers to these days.
 
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Elno said:
As a soon to be 40 year old lady I have given up on warmbloods and fully embraced wooly, half wild bog ponies. They are smaller and much more docile and alot less stupid than expensive, talented gorgeous warmbloods.
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Don't be fooled into thinking their brains are always a plus. My native has landed me in so many scenario's over the years that friend's with posh horse's don't seem to find themselves in 🤣
 
Ambers Echo said:
Wasn’t there an American woman who bought a top level dressage horse who was schooled/trained by a pro. She entered quite high level competitions but could not sit to the horse at all - I saw videos of her bouncing around on the horse. There was a big debate about whether judges should be much harsher and score her much lower even though horse was performing well because the riding was so, so far below the standard of everyone else at that level.
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yes a few years back now, unfortunately for her it was live streamed.
 

Don't be fooled into thinking their brains are always a plus. My native has landed me in so many scenario's over the years that friend's with posh horse's don't seem to find themselves in 🤣
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I have met many a new forest that I have found harder to work with than warmbloods (nothing personal, just an observed correlation in attitude 😂)
 

Don't be fooled into thinking their brains are always a plus. My native has landed me in so many scenario's over the years that friend's with posh horse's don't seem to find themselves in 🤣
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posh horses more inclined to do what they're told so long as you are telling them the right thing.

natives= more free spirits 😂
 

Don't be fooled into thinking their brains are always a plus. My native has landed me in so many scenario's over the years that friend's with posh horse's don't seem to find themselves in 🤣
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I'm on my third cold blooded Swedish trotter and I will never change breed. They are small, hairy, smart and fiesty buggers 🤩 I get along with them much more easily than any warmblood I've owned ( had...4 warmbloods if I remember it correctly, 2 SWB, one Irish and one Polish).
 
AShetlandBitMeOnce said:
I haven't read the rest of this thread but I would encourage you to go and ride a couple of ID's and see what you think - I owned (pity bought from someone not treating him well rather than due to any misplaced aspirations) a dressage bred 18.3hh Westphalian before Dex and whilst of course he doesn't have the massive (read: unsittable for an amateur) paces that Jacob had, Dex is equally as light and forward, his paces are really coming through, he finds extension and collection easy in hand and the beginnings of it ridden and while he is course not as athletic, his brain and attitude is just a joy to work with, he never says no or is unreasonable, he instead says 'I'll have a go' and actually uses his brain to think! They really aren't as stiff and workmanlike as you may think, only when people haven't schooled or worked with them well. If you wore spurs with Dex or hacked him without a pelham, whilst polite about it, you'd end up in France. 😂

For example, due to being 4yo, and because I'm not that skilled, we are just starting to canter in the school in a semi balanced manner and he is so sensitive that I looked at my instructor stood with the poop scoop outside the school as I was pleased with the transition, and due to that small shift onto my outside seatbone he did a beautiful change along the long side haha!
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Yes I need to try one, I do agree.

Preconceptions can be so misleading.
The problem is I see some horses that are ID and they seem suitable for what I'm looking for like we'll mannered, school masters type, completely reliable and safe. But I just can't get past the colour.

I really don't want a grey, I don't mind a dark grey, like an iron grey but a white grey so to speak - I just don't think I can get past it. I know it sounds stupid but I just don't like light coloured horses, like duns, palamino, very light bays or coloureds with loads of white. Apart from the melanoma risk, it's the constant washing and the nicotine coloured tail. I take pride in my horse and the thought of having a mud plastered grey puts me off.

(Sorry, I really don't mean to offend those who have greys, Im sure they are lovely, but it's just my personal preference).

I just love bays/chestnuts and black horses. Especially with white blazes and legs. I know looks are not everything and I'm trying to get out of this mindset but if the nicest, most economical and safest car was sat on the forecourt and it was bright yellow would you still buy it??
 
Birker2020 said:
I really don't want a grey, I don't mind a dark grey, like an iron grey but a white grey so to speak - I just don't think I can get past it. I know it sounds stupid but I just don't like light coloured horses, like duns, palamino, very light bays or coloureds with loads of white. Apart from the melanoma risk, it's the constant washing and the nicotine coloured tail. I take pride in my horse and the thought of having a mud plastered grey puts me off.
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There is a lot of chestnut ID i know a few of them. My mare is also mostly ID and she is bay her sire was gray but she stayed bay.
 
Birker2020 said:
Yes I need to try one, I do agree.

Preconceptions can be so misleading.
The problem is I see some horses that are ID and they seem suitable for what I'm looking for like we'll mannered, school masters type, completely reliable and safe. But I just can't get past the colour.

I really don't want a grey, I don't mind a dark grey, like an iron grey but a white grey so to speak - I just don't think I can get past it. I know it sounds stupid but I just don't like light coloured horses, like duns, palamino, very light bays or coloureds with loads of white. Apart from the melanoma risk, it's the constant washing and the nicotine coloured tail. I take pride in my horse and the thought of having a mud plastered grey puts me off.

(Sorry, I really don't mean to offend those who have greys, Im sure they are lovely, but it's just my personal preference).

I just love bays/chestnuts and black horses. Especially with white blazes and legs. I know looks are not everything and I'm trying to get out of this mindset but if the nicest, most economical and safest car was sat on the forecourt and it was bright yellow would you still buy it??
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Mine was liver chestnut.
 
Birker2020 said:
Yes I need to try one, I do agree.

Preconceptions can be so misleading.
The problem is I see some horses that are ID and they seem suitable for what I'm looking for like we'll mannered, school masters type, completely reliable and safe. But I just can't get past the colour.

I really don't want a grey, I don't mind a dark grey, like an iron grey but a white grey so to speak - I just don't think I can get past it. I know it sounds stupid but I just don't like light coloured horses, like duns, palamino, very light bays or coloureds with loads of white. Apart from the melanoma risk, it's the constant washing and the nicotine coloured tail. I take pride in my horse and the thought of having a mud plastered grey puts me off.

(Sorry, I really don't mean to offend those who have greys, Im sure they are lovely, but it's just my personal preference).

I just love bays/chestnuts and black horses. Especially with white blazes and legs. I know looks are not everything and I'm trying to get out of this mindset but if the nicest, most economical and safest car was sat on the forecourt and it was bright yellow would you still buy it??
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Nothing wrong with that, I also didn't want a grey ever but in the end I just felt something about him. Lots of Chestnut, Bay and Dark Bay ID's about too - Avanti Amorous Archie was a prolific bay ID stallion that just retired.

https://www.horsequest.co.uk/advertisment/360821 - not far from me as it happens
 
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