Any other breed ideas please?

It doesn't meet the short coat or long legs criteria but Cairn terriers can be great, life loving clowns.
As for not wanting a chunky build in a border terrier I would look at getting a working bred one as they are usually smaller built and more athletic than the show lines. With a coat that need stripping some of them don't enjoy it being done and they are often the scruffy ones and keeping them smart like some one who is showing them will do will take a lot of time, work and effort.
I love a smart athletic border, I love the cairn too.
 
Borders coats are high maintenance but they are lovely dogs. Imo they do have a distinctive smell, sort of seasidy.
 
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P3LH said:
Manchester terrier or smooth fox. The latter is a firm favourite of mine and I cannot for the life of me understand why they aren’t more popular.
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I think smooth Foxies are not so popular because...well, they haven't been gentrified and so are still very terriery!! They are gorgeous though and I would give one houseroom. I would absolutely give the Manchester Terrier house room too; outside of wiry terrier types they would be my 'perfect' dog on paper: neat, handy size, very personable, smart and clever as well as being a terrier. Bliss!! But for my sins I like a wiry one lol...
 
I like a smooth fox too (I’m just not keen on hairy dogs! Lovely to look at but I’m far too lazy to maintain!). I did consider them but I think they’re even more rare than Manchesters, I seem to remember I could only find one or two breeders at the time. Maybe one day…
 
Manchester's, although highly desireable, seem to be extremely rare.

What about a Min Pin. A bit more obtainable, although no idea about trainability.

I rather fancy a Prague Ratter but there are probably only 2 in England😄
 
Patterdale said:
I am pretty much set on a Border Terrier but this is a big decision, just wondered if there were any suggestions I’d missed!

Criteria is:

- small dog
- long legs and athletic
- prefer as short hair as possible
- trainable
- friendly
- cute

Not a JRT fan but I did consider a Parson’s?

The Border is looking like the best fit but is there anything I’ve missed?

Thanks!
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I was going to suggest a parsons!! We got one back in Nov, she is now 5 months old. She is fiesty, clever, high energy but falls asleep straight away In her crate, and very pretty. Training is going well, dead easy to house train!
 
Patterdale, I must take you to task about Whippet intelligence, I have had many and bred a few too. They ar highly intelligent and quick to learn. I even competed one in obedience, the only problem I had was that her ‘sit’ was more of a hover with her bottom just above the ground if she was competing on hardwood floors! 😁
 
TheOldTrout said:
Our last dog was a Parsons, he was a lovely dog. Very food motivated, to the point that we had to put a bolt on the fridge door, intelligent, affectionate.
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We had a beautiful jrt , she died 4 years ago. I miss her so much. She was sooo easy. Nearly human. Had to wait til now to get another, I just love the terrier temperament. We went for a parsons and so far not regretting it!!
 
Patterdale, my first whippet was really obedient off lead and could have hacked out although I never did take her. The pup I kept from her was fairly good. She didn’t go hunting but if a rabbit or hare got up in front of her she had to chase it. I did find with all the sighthounds I have owned over the years that they return as soon as they lose what they are chasing. Occasionally my lurchers who I did take riding might return with a trophy but the whippets never did!
 
I had the most gorgeous Parsons but until he was about 6 I used to spend hours sitting by holes and drains waiting for him to come out
Once he got over that he was a super easy dog
 
My Manchester terrier was very aggressive with other dogs! He was four when I got him so not sure why. I’d love a Lancashire Heeler but fail on the long legs front! I’d also love a Bedlington. So cute!
 
Smitty said:
Manchester's, although highly desireable, seem to be extremely rare.

What about a Min Pin. A bit more obtainable, although no idea about trainability.

A friend of mine did obedience with her min pin, he worked novice and A so definitely very trainable.
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Manchester Terrier (biased, I breed them) - sleek, elegant, trainable, hardy and proper terriers.

Ours show, canicross, bikejor and go on all sorts of holidays and adventures without issue. Live with cats, dogs, chickens, pheasants not a bother. The bitch is incredibly compeitive on a technical bikejor trail as she is so fast, clever with commands and responsive.

Focus flyball team had a Mannie running up until last year (Onyx) and have another in the wings. They've competed at agility and man trailing. Last year they won the Obreedience team obedience at Crufts ahead of Border Collies, poodles and cockers....they are extremely trainable!
 
Sorry to hijack the thread, but do they have much of an off switch @druid? I'd never even heard of them til I hate work got one of yours and I'm a bit smitten.
 
druid said:
Manchester Terrier (biased, I breed them) - sleek, elegant, trainable, hardy and proper terriers.

Ours show, canicross, bikejor and go on all sorts of holidays and adventures without issue. Live with cats, dogs, chickens, pheasants not a bother. The bitch is incredibly compeitive on a technical bikejor trail as she is so fast, clever with commands and responsive.

Focus flyball team had a Mannie running up until last year (Onyx) and have another in the wings. They've competed at agility and man trailing. Last year they won the Obreedience team obedience at Crufts ahead of Border Collies, poodles and cockers....they are extremely trainable!
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How big do they get? Are there two different sizes?

I have always thought they were beautiful dogs. Do you have a champdogs page/similar @druid please?
 
No, the sizes is a USA thing where they call English Toy Terriers Minature MTs. Our Bitches weight about 7-8kg, dogs up to 10kg. There are lines which are larger but not by a whole lot. There's a good puppy list maintained by the breed society.
 
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