Any tips for tight muscles? (horse)

I would double check that Stilton. My £79 got me a 450ml bottle of nano-e. And i think 2ml = 500iu so it gets used up much faster. I've had to switch to equimins oil as the nano-e is just too much, although my vet highly recommends it above the equimins.
 
stilton said:
Ive been quoted £89 for 1 litre of Equimins vit e and £79 for 1 litre of Nano-e
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Pretty sure you need more than 1ml of nano e to make 1000iu.

Just googled it and yes it's sold in 450ml bottles as Kat says, and yes you don't get 1ml - 1000iu, 450ml is 112 servings and I've also heard the bottle / pump system leaks so you'll lose some that way.
 
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Queenbee said:
diet is always key, and has been addressed thoroughly. However, whatever other adjustments to regimes I made, two things would be my initial priority... a qualified/certified good quality Equine massage therapist to loosen things up to start with, and grooming - about 1/2 - 1 hr after exercise to break up lactic acid build up paying specific attention to hot spots, I can not emphasise how beneficial and important this has been to my boy.
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This is (or should be) pretty much standard practice for any working horse to look after hard working muscles. I'd also add careful warm up/cool down and judicial use of exercise sheets to keep the loins warm.

However, the PSSM horses being discussed here have an actual problem in that the muscles do not function as 'normal' - and to help them they need very specific nutritional support.
 
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PSSM horses don't have a problem with lactic acid. It's a glycogen storage disorder and no amount of grooming or chiro treatments are going to improve the horse if the diet and management isn't correct. Indeed standing about being groomed after exercise is the worst thing you could do. Movement movement movement for this disorder, as soon as I get off the horse is turned out with appropriate rugs on to facilitate this.

Furthermore lactic acid is burned up by the muscles within 30-60 mins of exercise finishing and it is nowadays not as it used to be widely believed, thought to contribute to muscle pain/stiffness after the fact.

I expect the op has run away in horror at the turns this thread has taken but I would like to hear how this horse does.
 
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FfionWinnie said:
PSSM horses don't have a problem with lactic acid. It's a glycogen storage disorder and no amount of grooming or chiro treatments are going to improve the horse if the diet and management isn't correct. Indeed standing about being groomed after exercise is the worst thing you could do. Movement movement movement for this disorder, as soon as I get off the horse is turned out with appropriate rugs on to facilitate this.

Furthermore lactic acid is burned up by the muscles within 30-60 mins of exercise finishing and it is nowadays not as it used to be widely believed, thought to contribute to muscle pain/stiffness after the fact.

I expect the op has run away in horror at the turns this thread has taken but I would like to hear how this horse does.
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I hope we haven't upset the OP as some good points have been made and none of it is getting at her. The more we can increase awareness the better. There are a lot of these about and so many people wouldn't even dream of this, the rest are possibly put off by trying to work out what PSSM and EPSM are!!

Chiro treatments dont work for PSSM. They work on trying to correct the damage caused by poor muscle function ie the knock on effect of the horse standing/moving badly but that is all. I have also found massage has no effect and mine doesn't like being groomed much anyway. Rugs and more rugs all the way for me.


FW, I know your mare is kept off grass because of EGS but wondered what size of area you turned her out in and how she was kept, shelter/stable etc. Does she move on her own or with a friend? Hope you don't mind me asking, I am always looking for ideas from horses this is working for.
 
paddy555 said:
I hope we haven't upset the OP as some good points have been made and none of it is getting at her. The more we can increase awareness the better. There are a lot of these about and so many people wouldn't even dream of this, the rest are possibly put off by trying to work out what PSSM and EPSM are!!

Chiro treatments dont work for PSSM. They work on trying to correct the damage caused by poor muscle function ie the knock on effect of the horse standing/moving badly but that is all. I have also found massage has no effect and mine doesn't like being groomed much anyway. Rugs and more rugs all the way for me.


FW, I know your mare is kept off grass because of EGS but wondered what size of area you turned her out in and how she was kept, shelter/stable etc. Does she move on her own or with a friend? Hope you don't mind me asking, I am always looking for ideas from horses this is working for.
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You'll be sorry you asked, Daisy is my fave subject and I'm afraid I've written a novel to reply to your questions 😳

She's in an area about 30 x 6 m all the time. To be honest even if it wasn't for the EGS issue, I wouldn't put her on the grass now I've seen how hard it is to get it right even without adding grass to the equation. We are considering moving next year (and her needs will be a big consideration as to whether I will lol). Ideally I would like to make a large track inside a shed, to allow her to wear less rugs, and keep her moving around.

She hates other horses and sharing her space with one makes her symptomatic. I have to be careful even putting her in the trailer with another horse because she will bite them very hard! My other horse came out one day with bites half way down either side of her ear - she's a pit bull! She loves people tho!

She isn't stressy at all and loves competing / clinics and will stand beside other horses. She just doesn't like them touching her or being anywhere near her loose. I do ride and lead her and my other horse to allow me to exercise her without sitting on her. She hates it tho. She is marginally better when she's the lead horse.

She does prefer other cobs and there is one gelding at a place we compete that she almost likes but I think if she was loose with him she would still attack him. I know that probably makes me sound like an idiot but she's unlike any horse I've ever known. She is a big hit with everyone who meets her because she has such a lovely calm nature yet can power round a big SJ track.

She has recently had a shelter constructed. It's 12ftx24ft. The hay and the water is at the other end of her paddock so she can't just stand in her house all the time eating - when I first got her she was stabled and she loves being inside.

That said she is always very well rugged and I think stands mostly outside the shelter - she seems to enjoy it as a wind break and not a lot else. At night she probably retreats further in but I am actually relieved she doesn't stay in it all the time as I was worried this could be a problem. At least now I know she has it, so I don't need to worry about her!

I've had her looked at by a physio once and I found her worse after that, the physio didn't find a lot wrong so I don't mess with that at all now.
 
FfionWinnie said:
You'll be sorry you asked, Daisy is my fave subject and I'm afraid I've written a novel to reply to your questions ��

She's in an area about 30 x 6 m all the time. To be honest even if it wasn't for the EGS issue, I wouldn't put her on the grass now I've seen how hard it is to get it right even without adding grass to the equation. We are considering moving next year (and her needs will be a big consideration as to whether I will lol). Ideally I would like to make a large track inside a shed, to allow her to wear less rugs, and keep her moving around.

She hates other horses and sharing her space with one makes her symptomatic. I have to be careful even putting her in the trailer with another horse because she will bite them very hard! My other horse came out one day with bites half way down either side of her ear - she's a pit bull! She loves people tho!

She isn't stressy at all and loves competing / clinics and will stand beside other horses. She just doesn't like them touching her or being anywhere near her loose. I do ride and lead her and my other horse to allow me to exercise her without sitting on her. She hates it tho. She is marginally better when she's the lead horse.

She does prefer other cobs and there is one gelding at a place we compete that she almost likes but I think if she was loose with him she would still attack him. I know that probably makes me sound like an idiot but she's unlike any horse I've ever known. She is a big hit with everyone who meets her because she has such a lovely calm nature yet can power round a big SJ track.

She has recently had a shelter constructed. It's 12ftx24ft. The hay and the water is at the other end of her paddock so she can't just stand in her house all the time eating - when I first got her she was stabled and she loves being inside.

That said she is always very well rugged and I think stands mostly outside the shelter - she seems to enjoy it as a wind break and not a lot else. At night she probably retreats further in but I am actually relieved she doesn't stay in it all the time as I was worried this could be a problem. At least now I know she has it, so I don't need to worry about her!

I've had her looked at by a physio once and I found her worse after that, the physio didn't find a lot wrong so I don't mess with that at all now.
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thanks for the novel and taking the time to reply. She is an inspiration for those still struggling. I have followed a lot of your methods on FB PSSM forum as I was a short while behind you so I have learnt a lot. Thanks again.
 
paddy555 said:
thanks for the novel and taking the time to reply. She is an inspiration for those still struggling. I have followed a lot of your methods on FB PSSM forum as I was a short while behind you so I have learnt a lot. Thanks again.
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Thanks that's kind of you to say. I do always keep thinking is there something else I could be doing/trying. I just wonder if a cure will be found in her lifetime. We are lucky really, that it's such a massive thing in America because otherwise where would we be!
 
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