Anyone have a blk/tan JRT stud dog???

[fruity]

I am looking to put my blk/tan manchester terrier x Jrt in pup and the dog i had chosen has died suddenly and she has just come into season so i either need to find a replacement asap or wait til next year,have only found one decent stud but he lives up north. The others i have seen have awful front legs a common trait in some jrts. So if anyone has the above please let me know, he MUST be well put together, good with kids and other dogs,a proven working dog would be the icing but not the be or end all. Have posted on breeders websites and dog forums but thought i would also put feelers out on here. Thanks

 

[CorvusCorax]

Have you homes lined up already for the pups?
Personally I would take is as a sign and wait, lots of people seem to be struggling to sell puppies at the minute and the rescues are full to bursting already, if anything goes wrong with potential buyers.
If they had homes lined up and they are dedicated homes, then the buyers will be prepared to wait.

But kudos for discounting studs with weak legs....more than a lot of other people seem to do.

 

[soloabe]

 

[xxmariexx]

i do!! although he's 10 months, we're planning on using him for stud but not sure what age u can start?? he's been bred to work but we only just started basic's (playing with rabbits) fab with childreen and works on the yard with me, fab outsider and brlliant to work on the yard with me he's very well behaved and we have 3 other dogs/bitch that he lives with, bit wirery but well put together in my opionion, he's lakelandxjr, where are u based??

 

[CorvusCorax]

Marie, ten months is too young, way too young, he is still a puppy.

Please do not mate this dog yet, if at all. The fact that you have to ask at all suggests that you should go and read a few books and talk to a few experienced people before you start breeding.

 

[soloabe]

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Marie, ten months is too young, way too young, he is still a puppy.

Please do not mate this dog yet, if at all. The fact that you have to ask at all suggests that you should go and read a few books and talk to a few experienced people before you start breeding.

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Agree with this.

Marie your just adding to the huge problem this world has.

 

[itsme123]

Oh good Lord....

He's just started basics.... yet is brilliant to work on the yard?
10 months old?
x breed?

Anyways OP, I know of one, if someone can lend him some testicles....

 

[fruity]

i work at vets and have over 8 people waiting for a pup,i doubt for her size she will have more than 5,they will be working terriers,these dogs will be used for a purpose. I am well aware there are dogs in shelters waiting for homes and i have 3 rescues myself. I am not breeding for the sake of breeding which unfortunatley many others do.

 

[Parkranger]

Fruity, what are MT x JRT like? I've had both and find them both quite nervy breeds on their own (ie better in packs)....although the MT was alot more chilled than my JRT!

 

[xxmariexx]

yea he's brill on the yard, started basics with working. not basic training!

 

[CorvusCorax]

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i work at vets and have over 8 people waiting for a pup,i doubt for her size she will have more than 5,they will be working terriers,these dogs will be used for a purpose. I am well aware there are dogs in shelters waiting for homes and i have 3 rescues myself. I am not breeding for the sake of breeding which unfortunatley many others do.

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Glad to hear it - and that means, thankfully, you won't be accepting the offer of a ten month old stud

Let us know how you get on.

 

[soloabe]

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i work at vets and have over 8 people waiting for a pup,i doubt for her size she will have more than 5,they will be working terriers,these dogs will be used for a purpose. I am well aware there are dogs in shelters waiting for homes and i have 3 rescues myself. I am not breeding for the sake of breeding which unfortunatley many others do.

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That may be so.

But there are soo many terriers in rescue centers that would make great workers and used for a purpose.

Instead of adding to the problem why don't you advise the people that want pups from you to give one of those dogs a chance?

 

[Parkranger]

KH, this is obviously not breeding for breedings sake though? Unfortunately terriers from a rescue can come with so many issues......which alot of people aren't happy to take on. Just a thought.

 

[CorvusCorax]

I see Katie's point in that a lot of terriers in rescue are working bred and they are in rescue because they were never given a job to do and deployed their energy into negative/destructive/undesirable behaviour.

For a lot of us on here, some of whom are on the coal face of rescue and rehoming, breeding posts, no matter how well intended, touch a raw nerve.

 

[soloabe]

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KH, this is obviously not breeding for breedings sake though? Unfortunately terriers from a rescue can come with so many issues......which alot of people aren't happy to take on. Just a thought.

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It may not be breeding for breeding sake but for me seeing what i see and have seen breeding anything other than a near perfect specimen of a pure breed when so many dogs die in shelters every week is criminal.

What happens if you get a puppy that isn't from a shelter and it some how ends up or is born with issues? Do you then take it to the pound?

 

[fruity]

My MT is gorge!!! She is 3/4 MT and 1/4 jrt, she has a wonderful attitude to life,adores men and children! I dog walk/sit and she gets on with any size/breed of dog,catches rats bigger than herself and to top if off she is super cuddly! The MT's are quite rare and i would def have one again,they are vvvv intelligent and need quite a bit of stimulation to keep them from being rather hyper! She isn't nervy at all,my other jrt is though but she had a bad start to life.

 

[Parkranger]

Fruity, Iread that they were rare now - sure they weren't 20 years ago when we had one! He was nuts though but a lovely dog.

KH, good point and to a degree I do agree with you - if I do decide on a staffie I'll look aorund for a puppy to rescue but I wouldn't rescue an adult as I'm not sure I'd have the experience to retrain it

 

[itsme123]

To be fair....


I wouldnt have afforded Rosie had the breeder not been so good to me. Thats not to say I don't have the money, but when a dog is a dog to me (I don't mind x breeds, just don't agree with breeding from x breeds) I would never spend say £500-£600 on a dog, which is what alot of purebreeds cost (at least). When pounds/ dog rescues will not rehome with say, a child under a certain age, or with other pets (we have three very nice cats who are used to dogs) then what is the average dog owner to-be to do?
Buy a puppy.... and pray it isnt born with issue. It's all very well and dandy to tell people they shouldnt buy a dog unless they can afford to pay for a purebreed but not everyone wants a purebreed. Some of the nicest dogs I've met have been first crosses, and likewise, some of the strangest I've met been purebreeds.
I think PR is quite happy to take a rescue puppy, and I can quite understand her POV on that one. I would take a rescue pup up to about a year old, but nothing older, because I have neither the experience or time to deal with serious issues.

 

[Parkranger]

and Charlie, I feel that is more responsible than rescuing a dog and then giving it up as it didn't fit into your life. Which I did.

 

[itsme123]

Quite and I agree with your reasons for wanting a pup.

 

[fruity]

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i work at vets and have over 8 people waiting for a pup,i doubt for her size she will have more than 5,they will be working terriers,these dogs will be used for a purpose. I am well aware there are dogs in shelters waiting for homes and i have 3 rescues myself. I am not breeding for the sake of breeding which unfortunatley many others do.

[/ QUOTE ] That may be so. But there are soo many terriers in rescue centers that would make great workers and used for a purpose. Instead of adding to the problem why don't you advise the people that want pups from you to give one of those dogs a chance?

[/ QUOTE ] believe it or not and i know 1st hand,not all rescue centres rehome to working homes so it is v difficult to go down that route,i do advise my clients to home dogs from rescues but it does depend on what the dog is for. 2 of the homes for my pups are vets and the other people are involved in our practice so i have set up homes with the offer of having them back if anything happened. I dont agree with the thought that pedigree dogs are better than x breeds,most of the dogs we see with health problems are purebreds mainly because of the in breeding that goes on. I see breeds that are predisposed to certain problems and i think its downright wrong the way they are bred these day, breeding for look shatters the dogs quality of life in some breeds,seeing these dogs in so much distress everyday has certainly taught me what breed of dogs i will never own!

 

[fruity]

Sorry love your boy is way too young,he wont of matured yet and if you did breed from him this young you would have problems later on,breeding from him will change him and all he will think about is girls which wont help with his vital training at this age! He sounds lovely but i would wait,good luck with him. I am looking for a prooven stud that has already sired.

 

[FinnishLapphund]

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KH, this is obviously not breeding for breedings sake though? Unfortunately terriers from a rescue can come with so many issues......which a lot of people aren't happy to take on. Just a thought.

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It may not be breeding for breeding sake but for me seeing what i see and have seen breeding anything other than a near perfect specimen of a pure breed when so many dogs die in shelters every week is criminal.

What happens if you get a puppy that isn't from a shelter and it some how ends up or is born with issues? Do you then take it to the pound?

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But not everybody is allowed to get a rescue as far as I understand, since I've seen many posts about being turned down because you have children below a certain age.

Edited to add, my point was that if shelters doesn't accept certain people as possible new owners, they can't rescue, whether they want to or not. So though I do "advocate" pure breeds, as Patches says in her reply below, better buy from a responsible breeder than a Backyard Breeder.

 

[Patches]

Totally agree, dogs can have problems however wide the gene pool is.

I, not that it's relevant, chose a pup (Cocker Spaniel) from a blue roan mum/orange and white dad as I already knew the gene pool was guaranteed to be more varied than had I bought from say a litter where both parents were a solid colour.

I don't see a problem with you breeding your dog. You have clearly thought it through. The people that would be interested in a pup from your bitch's mating would probably only go and buy a pup elsewhere, should you not go ahead. Why not make sure they are buying from a good pairing with a responsible breeder.

 

[soloabe]

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i work at vets and have over 8 people waiting for a pup,i doubt for her size she will have more than 5,they will be working terriers,these dogs will be used for a purpose. I am well aware there are dogs in shelters waiting for homes and i have 3 rescues myself. I am not breeding for the sake of breeding which unfortunatley many others do.

[/ QUOTE ] That may be so. But there are soo many terriers in rescue centers that would make great workers and used for a purpose. Instead of adding to the problem why don't you advise the people that want pups from you to give one of those dogs a chance?

[/ QUOTE ] believe it or not and i know 1st hand,not all rescue centres rehome to working homes so it is v difficult to go down that route,i do advise my clients to home dogs from rescues but it does depend on what the dog is for. 2 of the homes for my pups are vets and the other people are involved in our practice so i have set up homes with the offer of having them back if anything happened. I dont agree with the thought that pedigree dogs are better than x breeds,most of the dogs we see with health problems are purebreds mainly because of the in breeding that goes on. I see breeds that are predisposed to certain problems and i think its downright wrong the way they are bred these day, breeding for look shatters the dogs quality of life in some breeds,seeing these dogs in so much distress everyday has certainly taught me what breed of dogs i will never own!

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This is exactly the problem irresponsible breeding has cause so many problems not just with a massive amount of dogs but with health issues.

 

[CAYLA]

Im not getting into the whole breeding debate, if they are workers and are going to be bred for workers are these vets going to be doing that?

Also, I work in a vets and I can tell u, I have rehomed no end of my colleagues dogs, being a vet or nurse although it should......does notqualify as a good home

Again I do not want to offend, but working in a vets certainly makes the last thing in the world I want to do "is breed" and thats without taking the rescue part in account.

But good luck and good on u for taking them back, however nver quite sits well that there is also how many can be bred from that litter as so on, that also must be responsibly thought of.
We do have a very good specimen of a j.r.t in brought to us by the local estate manager that knows my mam where we rehome some of our workers, a working dog as it happens handed in as the young lad who works him has been tragically killed and they want the dog a good home as he lived indoors with young lad and none of the other game keepers or those who work their dogs can keep him indoors and his parents wanted the dog in a family home, but he is booked for castration tomorrow.

 

[CAYLA]

Also just to add we do rehome to working to working homes, be it the local game keeper or the prison service, aslong as they keep up the insurance if the dog is injured of which we can check as we hand out the insurance policy.
Mo with the prison they do have their dogs treat accordingly but vertainly with joe public they msut have and keep insurance up.
We have a lovely little patterdale puppy we would be happy to let go to a working home, aslong as they keep their insurance up

 

[itsme123]

as it's xmas/ new year maybe about time you did a picture post of what's looking for new homes???

 

[fruity]

as this has turned into a breeding debate i shall say no more,everyone has their own opinion. They will be going to good homes and yes of course even a vet can have something happen to them that means that they may have to give their dog up but not being funny dogs are given up every day by people that should never been sold a pup as they didnt have clue from the start!!! I will do all i can to make sure my pups have a good life,shame not everyone else does this.