Anyone know where my post went?

am - you advertised the horse for rehoming and put "competed badminton 2006". this is oviously going to cause debate - everyone is nosey and a little bit of research is not going to harm anyone. if the people are wise enough to know that the horse is tricky and needs confident handling then they are not going to call. however if that person is experienced enough then it is a possible home.
you have done good work with the horses, and if you say that you only rehome to approved homes then the horse is not going to a numpty that only wants the horse as you wont let him go - the horse's welfare is always put first - so what is the harm in researching the history?
 
Did I?? well if i did odd that the one I 'found' had same old rider, same breeding, same injury, same facial markings isn't it!?

I have read all the threads involved and I am yet to see any laws broken..... Nothing could now be proven from the original threads as deleted unless HHO backs up the forum on a daily basis which I know it used to but considering recent problems with the forum I would guess a weekly backup is more likely. And even if the posts were viewable I am still struggling to recall any detail especially by Teapot which was illegal.

I suggest that the best way for this topic to be dropped is for you to stop replying. Feel free to be a member of this forum everyone is welcome. Hopefully if you read a few posts you might realise who the people on this forum really are as we are not giggly little school girls, there are some both very serious riders and their connections on this forum.

I look forward to seeing 'the horse' back in action with it's new rider and lets hope it stays sound and continues to enjoy its eventing career.

This is my last post on these threads as it is going round in circles. You can't accept that your ad was inviting comment to be made. I would challenge you to find anyone associated with eventing who honestly wouldn't be even mildly interested as to who the horse was from the ad....
 
Another snap judgement on who 'deserves' your horses? If these snap decisions are what you use as a basis on who you rehome you horses to then I assure you that there are improvements to be made!
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I think possibly by employing a policy of advertising the horse for what it IS rather than what it WAS would help you attract potential loaners that are (in your eyes at least) more suited to the horse?

And just out of interest - do you do any rehabilitation at all or just pass horses on to new homes?
 
You are not interested in the welfare of the horse then just flippant comments ?

I was angry that anyone could be that stupid to be honest I didnt say it was ilegal.
When names started being bandied about it was clear that if something untrue was circulated then it could result in action because someones reputation was affected and as various horses and owners were named ,if those speculations were repeated unfairly and untruly then eventually.......
I freely admit that the advert attracted attention. Thats what adverts do but you expect people to have common sense.
You believing or not about the horse being fine isnt an issue. Fantastic horses get homed through all the sanctuaries because of terminal illnesses, family circumstances,change of direction. It gives deserving young riders a chance and a horse a loving home.
It isnt all about grasping and demanding of a commodity.
At the end of the day my attitude towards horses will be different to all of yours. Im at the blood and guts end of having purebred Arabs left to starve, racehorses left to die,wonderful horses just needing a loving home.
It irritates that horses are viewed as something flippant or you all think that people walk in and pick one and we should be grateful.
All sanctuaries vet potential loaners and you produce references untill we are sure you are the right person for the horse we loved and cared for.
Its different from how you all see it but it doesnt mean anyone has the right to affect what we are working hard to achieve on behalf of a horse that would otherwise be dead by now.
So instead of having an attitude try looking at it from how it is in sanctuaries. We look to place a horse without naming it 1stly to not upset anyone and 2ndly so that the people we interview are here because they want a good horse that they will love and not just because of what its history says it can do.
And then someone Ive never heard of blunders in for no reason.
Try seeing it from the horses side. We were simply trying to place a horse in the best place for his future.
 
AM you are clearly not of the real world.

When I was "given" my ex SJ, he was advertised on a normal for sale/loan website, no mention was made of his winnings, or that he had even previously SJ'd!! - instead, he WAS advertised as what they wanted him to do...riding club type stuff.

It wasnt even until I spoke to the owner that I knew his past!

I suggest you advertise such a horse like the "eventer" mentioned in these posts, as such, why on earth mention badminton!! crazy...like a red rag to a bull.....

I would hope that you have contacts in teh business that you wouldnt even need to advertise a horse this talented.
 
I am struggling here, but there is a real attitude of 'holier than thou' because you run a sanctuary? Regardless of where my location is, the fact is you need to realise that many many horsey people frequent this forum, and ones who would otherwise volunteer homes are likely being put off by your arrogant attitude. I research any interesting horses I see on the internet, it is useful to know what is happening and where and what is being sold. There is absoloutely nothing wrong with doing this and many horses have been discussed on here before.
 
This is just so ridiculous!!!! Just come on and read this and cannot believe what a debate it has turned into. AM, i think you're being incredibly short sighted. The eventing world is a small one and everyone knows everyone somehow. There aren't many advanced horses and even fewer four star ones. When an advanced horse comes on the market or is advertised people who have no interest whatsoever will read the ad to see which one it is. Have a wonder (people are nosey its natural) why its for sale, perhaps speculate and there might be some gossip but thats life. When something that has gone to four star comes on the market escalates. Gosh i've worked with enough professional riders adn enough four star horses to know this! The gossip between the yards is bad enough, of course people will ask questions and work out who it is - doesn't take a genius. Same as if you put a show jumper on and said "jumped at olympia 06". If it wasn't being discussed on here it would have been discussed somewhre else. Horsey people talk, gossip spreads like wildfire, if you dont like it just put eventer in the ad!

Adding "badminton 06" to the advert wont change the type of people who want him, in fact more likely to attract the wrong ones. (ok i know you've found him a good home). I have an old advanced horse who has an excellent record and nearly 1000 points - he was "a safe hack" , I asked an event rider if he knew any and this one came my way. Mum hacks him, does his job fab, no one needs ot know that he's got those points or is a grade A jumper. The fact I could go out and compete him people would realise but its not be all and end all.

I'd say just think a little more before writing your replies, brandishing all this "legal action" and writing your adverts. Or don't think, but if you don't like the consequences tough!
 
I'm not sure where you are coming from on this one. Maybe you've got a bit over stressed.

I do not and have never seen horses as a commodity. I am completely uncompetitive and I believe that a horse is for life. I accept that I may be in a minority in this view.
I regularly give to equine charities and without a huge number of supporters like me a number of these would cease to function. It does not seem good practice to wind up your potential donors.

I fully accept that you and all animal rehoming/rescues should vet new homes, just as I've been vetted a number of times for rehomed dogs.

I accept your point that people seeking to rehome their horses do not wish to attract undue publicity, but I feel that this was inevitable in this case given the way that you advertised the horse. More discretion is called for in cases such as this.

Of course I care about this and other horses welfare. I did fleetingly think could I take him on, but being a realist I immediately knew that he/I would have been a complete mismatch. No need to tell me that you would never have rehomed him to me, I am not completely stupid.

Best wishes for your continued work rehoming horses.
 
I think AM is at fault and doesn't want to take the blame.
The mention of Badminton was unnecessary,the PTS was uncalled for and the picture was terrible.
On this forum are a lot of VERY good,knowledgable,experienced,qualified and competitive riders.Most would take an interest in this story.
I hope the horse is well enough to go back to competing and will not injure itself or its rider though previous damage.
I believe AM has been extremely rude to some very caring individuals who may have provided a loving and safe home for this horse.
IF the horse was put on the scrapheap after eventing then it needs investigating ,anyway so the owners can be held accountable.
IF they are in no way to blame then AM is the one who has lead people astray
 
AM - stop posting! You are doing yourself & your sanctuary (which I notice isn't a registered charity - or at least no mention of that on your website...) no favours with your continual postings on here.

Re-homing of high-profile horses on the quiet is not unusual in the dressage world.

I have been involved in re-homing horses on the quiet & this was done discretely, via word of mouth. If an advert was posted there would be a suitable vague description & certainly no photos until callers had been pre-screened for info.

I'm only a law student, not a qualified lawyer & didn't see the original post, but so far, the statement most likely to lead to legal action by the former owners is the one posted on the project horse website ad by YOU!

Also, if this horse is such a high level competition horse & as you say in your advert, capable of competing at 3 day level, I hardly think he would be a candidate for the meatman - do you know how much high level competition horses sell/lease for that are still capable of competing??
 
How is this discussion any different to everyone trying to guess who Spencer Wilton's new partner was????

It is no different to someone putting up a post asking whether anyone knows of the past history of a horse they are interested in...
 
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God i'm slow!! no longer with CH then??

With regards to the woman trying to rehome this horse, me thinks she's rather over awed by having such a competition horse in her hands (you can tell her level of experience by the way she has worded the advert, and the kind of picture used, not exactly professional).. she kinda wants everyone to know what she has got, but also thinks she shouldn't tell too many people as it's not the done thing!!!
Anyway, from what i've found out, sounds like the poor horse would be better off with a piece of lead between its eyes!!! people shouldn't get too carried away with what the horse has done.. it's still just a horse!!!
 
These are the parts of the advert which are worrying me!!!

1) Did Badminton last year but apparently had a tendon injury...
The word 'apparently' shouldn't be here!!! can't you tell??? either it has or has not broken down??

2) Sound as a pound but his owners have a yard full of fit horses so he was retired. Quite capable of 3 daying to quite a high level...
This makes no sence what so ever!!! owners of top horses don't retire sound horses... and a horse who has been retired, is not capable of '3 daying' as you put it at 'quite' a high level... What is 'quite a high level' anyway???

3) Ideal for a pro rider who wants to do comp weekends but hack in the week.... is there such a thing??? competition riders are not happy hackers during the week.. you're either one thing or the other.

4) He was going to be shot until we stepped in.... stop interfering. Horses being shot is not the end of the world (well, i guess it is for them)

5) He is triple rugged... all the time??? what about when it gets really cold?? is he aloud 4 rugs?? or what about when it gets hot?? can he have just one or two on? or even go naked??
 
Would like to echo LEC's comments and say you are over reacting hugely.
The only reason for that may be because perhaps you exagerrated some of the information and are fearing some comeback from his owners.
A horse cannot compete at a high level at weekends and be a happy hacker through the week, so please think very carefully before you word the next advert.
Although project horses fills a much needed gap there are some of the horse world's biggest idiots trawling it daily. I know because I removed the ad we put on there for a two year old youngster that needed more handling, yet we got people emailing asking if they could show jump it, was it suitable for a five year old child etc!
I removed the ad, handled the horse and of course now it will go on a "normal" website when it's for sale.
I think it's absolutely normal for people to wonder who this horse was, and hope you haven't caused offence if the word "rescued" was used, somehow I doubt a top event horse would be in the position of needing rescueing if still rideable.
As for people and famous horses, we got an ex racehorse who had won over £145k dumped on us as a debt, after realising he needed more attention than we could spare him I donated him to our local Rescue home and sent them feed etc (unbe-known to my husband, shhhhh!) He lived his last few years very happily, but they changed his name so people wouldn't recognise him, not all rescue places are keen to publicise who they have in their care.
I think you will have learned a lesson over this, say very little next time or find a home by word of mouth..
 
The ad is terrible!
I think (and this is not supposed to sound as harsh as it will do) that this is not the type of horse the sanctury is used to!
It all seems very suss to me- and i cannont belief they didnt think that people would be curious!
 
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These are the parts of the advert which are worrying me!!!

1) Did Badminton last year but apparently had a tendon injury...
The word 'apparently' shouldn't be here!!! can't you tell??? either it has or has not broken down??

2) Sound as a pound but his owners have a yard full of fit horses so he was retired. Quite capable of 3 daying to quite a high level...
This makes no sence what so ever!!! owners of top horses don't retire sound horses... and a horse who has been retired, is not capable of '3 daying' as you put it at 'quite' a high level... What is 'quite a high level' anyway???

3) Ideal for a pro rider who wants to do comp weekends but hack in the week.... is there such a thing??? competition riders are not happy hackers during the week.. you're either one thing or the other.

4) He was going to be shot until we stepped in.... stop interfering. Horses being shot is not the end of the world (well, i guess it is for them)

5) He is triple rugged... all the time??? what about when it gets really cold?? is he aloud 4 rugs?? or what about when it gets hot?? can he have just one or two on? or even go naked??

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I couldn't agree more! Badminton horses that are fit and sound do not find themselves in sanctuaries. They tend to move around for rather a lot of money.

I hope the new rider is fully aware that the horse broke down, and in what circumstances - I would hate to think that anybody is in danger of serious injury because they are 'competing at quite a high level' when the horse next breaks down.

If this eventer was on the scrap heap I think the previous owners should be made public - it's disgraceful that they should allow it to be advertised in such a way as to encourgae a young eventer to cause any further distress to the horse by trying to compete it if it is unable to do so. If it IS able to compete then they would have been able to sell it - there are loads of youngsters looking for a horse with experience to take them through the lower levels.

Somtimes to shoot a competition horse that can no longer compete is the kindest and safest option - it stops them ending up in sanctuaries and in adverts like this one.

I think AMs attitude and comments are absolutely disgraceful, and totally irresponsible.
 
Can we please leave it alone?! I DO know the horse personally. He did not compete at Badminton in 06, neither did he break down. There is a very good reason why he was retired and the previous owner is not at fault, it is down to a set of very unfortunate circumstances. The sanctuary did not have the full story, also through no fault of their own.

I hope that the horse has found a new home suitable to his needs.
 
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Can we please leave it alone?! I DO know the horse personally. He did not compete at Badminton in 06, neither did he break down. There is a very good reason why he was retired and the previous owner is not at fault, it is down to a set of very unfortunate circumstances. The sanctuary did not have the full story, also through no fault of their own.

I hope that the horse has found a new home suitable to his needs.

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Ah so everything written about the horse in the advert was a complete load of bull then...
Shall we all therefore sue the Sanctury for breaching trade standards?
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Can we please leave it alone?! I DO know the horse personally. He did not compete at Badminton in 06, neither did he break down. There is a very good reason why he was retired and the previous owner is not at fault, it is down to a set of very unfortunate circumstances. The sanctuary did not have the full story, also through no fault of their own.

I hope that the horse has found a new home suitable to his needs.

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Well what is the actual true story then? Is this horse a 4* eventer or not? Did he break down or not? Why didn't the sanctuary have the full story, and who lied? Was it the sanctuary or the people who gave the information to the sanctuary?

I'm glad the horse has a good home - but this is a public forum and we have the right to discuss issues such as this. If eventers are ending up in sanctuaries that use false information in adverts knowingly or otherwise, it is of concern to a great many people on this forum.
 
Not being funny but I disagree with that, the horse is rising 17, yes Sandy completed Badminton aged 18 but 17 is seriously getting on. If you have a yard of promising, younger, talented and fit eventers why are you going to waste your time (and considerable amount of money) on a 17 who has previously had a tendon injury (not the end of the world, locally there is a winning pointer has broken down twice during his career and still running) and is a bugger in the start box aswell as perhaps going slightly faster into XC jumps than the rider would like to? It doesn't mean the horse should be in a tin though, where's the respect gone?
 
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