Mule
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I think I will sign up to Discovery for tomorrow. Can't trust that it will be shown on the BBC
Anyone want a thread for the Olympic dressage live?
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Mule
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milliepops
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I think in the past it was too much tension affecting the correctness of the pace.
milliepops
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H&H have confirmed no live coverage of the xc, I wouldnt be surprised if a bit was put in a highlights show but not the hours of action
Mule
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Ok, another question ? What are the riders doing to lower the tension? And did the tension serve a purpose.
Mule
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BahH&H have confirmed no live coverage of the xc, I wouldnt be surprised if a bit was put in a highlights show but not the hours of action
That decides it soParrotperson
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Someone just tweeted….
‘hear me out. Dressage but with furious donkeys”
GENIUS!!!!!
‘hear me out. Dressage but with furious donkeys”
GENIUS!!!!!
teapot
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Times for dressage tomorrow (weds) assume will be posted after the second horse inspection which is 02.30 our time/10.30 JST.
milliepops
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In so far as you need a certain amount of "positive " tension, yes.. its that electricity that makes the horse eagerly spring into piaffe or do a fabulous extension. I think particularly pre-2012 it was not uncommon to see electricity created in a fairly negative way, pulling hands, short necks, backs down.. much less harmonious to my mind
When it looks good is where a rider can turn off the tension and encourage the horse to relax in the middle of the test, and then bring it straight back to brilliance again afterwards. I think that ability *generally* reflects a different ethos of training, if you listen to a rider like Carl (not just Carl but his thoughts are easily accessible to an English speaker) it's about lightness, harmony, starting from that relaxed state of mind, teaching even the hot ones to allow the rider in, etc. Giving that part of the training lots of attention. That's my 2p anyway ?
Mule
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Sounds complicated. Having that ability I mean. Turning on and off tension would be something you would do with your body language/emotions, yes? (I'm not sure if body language is the right description)
milliepops
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Yeah, and training and repetition just like anything. I guess what I'm getting at is these days the walk movements are given proper attention for the 40 marks they give you in a test. Rather than being viewed as a rest break as lucinda was suggesting today. I'd stick my neck out and say 90% of the reason the eventers she was talking about don't start the extended walk immediately and tend to jog is because it's not trained as thoroughly as the trot and canter moves
fetlock
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A perfect turn on the haunches (in trot), followed by a splendidly performed piroutte (also in trot) and lots of extended trot inbetween.
Mule
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I think I understand. It must be hard to train for exactness without tipping over into perfectionism and stalling progression. I read a quote somewhere that said 'perfection is the enemy of good'. It made a lot of sense to me.Yeah, and training and repetition just like anything. I guess what I'm getting at is these days the walk movements are given proper attention for the 40 marks they give you in a test. Rather than being viewed as a rest break as lucinda was suggesting today. I'd stick my neck out and say 90% of the reason the eventers she was talking about don't start the extended walk immediately and tend to jog is because it's not trained as thoroughly as the trot and canter moves
milliepops
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#notalleventersYeah, and training and repetition just like anything. I guess what I'm getting at is these days the walk movements are given proper attention for the 40 marks they give you in a test. Rather than being viewed as a rest break as lucinda was suggesting today. I'd stick my neck out and say 90% of the reason the eventers she was talking about don't start the extended walk immediately and tend to jog is because it's not trained as thoroughly as the trot and canter moves
Just responding to the commentary today ? I am sure we will see lots of excellent walks later this week.
teapot
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Got better hind moment than Bella Rose... (too soon?)
Northern
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Timetable for today (in Japanese time I presume!).
I've been enjoying watching the dressage, really interesting watching all the different types. Loved Fugoso!
I liked both IW and CJDs rides. BR is such a long and rangy horse, it's probably not easy to keep that all together and flowing. I do agree with MP that it appeared machine like, but also the horse is 17 and has done her job for many years. I imagine she is so in tune with IW and "on the aids" that nothing else influences her. I also saw she had a better sit in her Piaffe in the Special compared to the day before. Bonus is that she's closely related to my young horse, perhaps I should show her the gold medal video!
Without getting too much in to the crazy that is social media, I am disappointed at the judgmental comments from the "armchair experts". I completely understand that people can out their opinions (seen in this thread as well, which were super interesting without being too accusatory), but the outright accusations of bad training and riding on pictures that are a "moment in time" are ridiculous. Many of the horses at these Olympics are green at this level and all have done a super job and have bright futures. Sadly I find this happens every time a big event like this is widely televised. It's not like 7 high level judges know what they're talking about or anything. Will crawl back in my wet, muddy and wintery hole now Enjoy the dressage today everyone!
I've been enjoying watching the dressage, really interesting watching all the different types. Loved Fugoso!
I liked both IW and CJDs rides. BR is such a long and rangy horse, it's probably not easy to keep that all together and flowing. I do agree with MP that it appeared machine like, but also the horse is 17 and has done her job for many years. I imagine she is so in tune with IW and "on the aids" that nothing else influences her. I also saw she had a better sit in her Piaffe in the Special compared to the day before. Bonus is that she's closely related to my young horse, perhaps I should show her the gold medal video!
Without getting too much in to the crazy that is social media, I am disappointed at the judgmental comments from the "armchair experts". I completely understand that people can out their opinions (seen in this thread as well, which were super interesting without being too accusatory), but the outright accusations of bad training and riding on pictures that are a "moment in time" are ridiculous. Many of the horses at these Olympics are green at this level and all have done a super job and have bright futures. Sadly I find this happens every time a big event like this is widely televised. It's not like 7 high level judges know what they're talking about or anything
. Will crawl back in my wet, muddy and wintery hole now Enjoy the dressage today everyone!Attachments
milliepops
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totally agree, Northern.
off to see to ponies then ready to install myself in front of the TV
Carl 10.20
Lottie 11.35
Charlotte 12.40
off to see to ponies then ready to install myself in front of the TV
Carl 10.20
Lottie 11.35
Charlotte 12.40
palo1
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Really I know so little about dressage but, if you use another example, endurance riders are excellent at teaching horses to 'switch on, switch off' as a requirement of endurance is a lowered heart rate. This can be trained with seat and rein in all honesty. That is achieved quite differently of course and working horses - such as those working cattle or Mongolian horses are trained to switch on, switch off as a matter of course. There are some really good models of training for this but I am not sure, because of the silo-like nature of equestrian disciplines and cultures, whether those techniques would have previously been applied to dressage in the UK. Of course too, it is pretty hard to ask for piaffe, passage, collection and then ask for a relaxed walk for example but there is a precedent in Spanish training and ask any cattle horse worker (not necessarily competitor) about that too... One minute you have a horse effectively pirouetting - if somewhat agriculturallly and the next stride they must walk on a long rein! I think it is fascinating how riders like Carl who have taken influences from lots of different places have started to apply this idea of training relaxation (as it would seem anyway) to what was, previously, a much more rigid and 'held' system - to my view in any case lol!! I know very little about this level of dressage but I am interested in and have some experience of other horse cultures and disciplines/training from those things.
palo1
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Timetable for today (in Japanese time I presume!).
I've been enjoying watching the dressage, really interesting watching all the different types. Loved Fugoso!
I liked both IW and CJDs rides. BR is such a long and rangy horse, it's probably not easy to keep that all together and flowing. I do agree with MP that it appeared machine like, but also the horse is 17 and has done her job for many years. I imagine she is so in tune with IW and "on the aids" that nothing else influences her. I also saw she had a better sit in her Piaffe in the Special compared to the day before. Bonus is that she's closely related to my young horse, perhaps I should show her the gold medal video!
Without getting too much in to the crazy that is social media, I am disappointed at the judgmental comments from the "armchair experts". I completely understand that people can out their opinions (seen in this thread as well, which were super interesting without being too accusatory), but the outright accusations of bad training and riding on pictures that are a "moment in time" are ridiculous. Many of the horses at these Olympics are green at this level and all have done a super job and have bright futures. Sadly I find this happens every time a big event like this is widely televised. It's not like 7 high level judges know what they're talking about or anything
Yes, some of the commentary is horrible (from social media which is generally best avoided). These horses are the product of a system of values and training as well so it's not as if the riders have made up the training and then applied it badly in the test or anything. People find it so easy to be horrible though, especially when they have no knowledge or experience. I was really interested to look at the feet of those horses too but definately don't want to find out what the experts on that subject have to say negatively either!!
I have found it all very inspiring and really rather reassuring tbh. If CJD's horse can miss a change then anyone can forgive themselves for similar. If en Vogue wasn't quite feeling inspired on day 1 then that is surely also the case for any horse? IW is a machine and I don't particularly like watching her but the idea of competition is to win and she is REALLY good at doing that! It is so lovely to see so many different types of horse and the variety of ways that they work over the same test. I am really grateful to be able to watch.
only_me
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Without getting too much in to the crazy that is social media, I am disappointed at the judgmental comments from the "armchair experts". I completely understand that people can out their opinions (seen in this thread as well, which were super interesting without being too accusatory), but the outright accusations of bad training and riding on pictures that are a "moment in time" are ridiculous. Many of the horses at these Olympics are green at this level and all have done a super job and have bright futures. Sadly I find this happens every time a big event like this is widely televised. It's not like 7 high level judges know what they're talking about or anything
”armchair critics” - ever watched gogglebox?
It’s a bit much to be “disappointed“ on a forum thread of horsey people watching the best compete together. Everyone is allowed a comment and everyone I’m sure is aware that they aren’t olympic Riders but that doesn’t mean you can’t judge how the horse is going, especially comparing horse to horse who are at the same level. everyone understands the movements and how difficult they are. I mean, I don’t think Lucinda Green has ever ridden at Olympic dressage level but she was commentating…
Your comment comes across as condescending/judgemental - I don’t think there has been many comments on the thread (although I joined Later into the thread) that would be deemed as accusatory. I don’t think basically scolding HHO members for having an opinion is very nice either. The forum is full of opinions, why should it be any different for commentating on the olympics?
Commenting/having an opinion is normal for any big event - I mean I watch the diving and can tell the difference between a good and bad dive, but I’m not a diver.
I actually thought the majority of comments were fair and interesting, and nicer than comments I’ve seen on some threads elsewhere.
shortstuff99
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Full running order for today
ETA Japan is 8 hours ahead.
ETA Japan is 8 hours ahead.
scats
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I didn’t read Northerns comments in that way. I think she was talking about the social media mob, not the forum. Northern actually states that opinions of the HHO forum people were said in a fair way, unlike other comments on the net.
milliepops
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I thought Northern was talking about the vitriol on fb and the like. Not here.
milliepops
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So by way of an example I read the comments made in the aftermath of Caroline chew being eliminated. The horse bit his lip, and then after elimination went straight back to happily munch his hay in the stable. He's hardly an abused horse. But some of the comments on fb were absolutely vile. I'm on the yard next door to that horse, I've seen her train him when we've shared an arena. I am 100% confident that he didn't get blood in the mouth because she's a horrible or awful rider, it was just bad luck, could happen to anyone. Weird how other people can make a judgement about her based solely on the information that he was eliminated under the blood rule. ☹
only_me
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fair enough, if not directed at this thread then don’t disagree with her
scats
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My heart went out to her. People are so quick to stick the knife in when they don’t know the full story.
scats
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I saw a picture of Edward Gal (I think) at the end of his test on Saturday. I watched the test and certainly didn’t register this happen so it must have been a very brief moment in time but the horse looks very overbent in the halt. He was absolutely torn to shreds.
I liken it, in my very amateur way, to when the photographer is at competitions, and amongst the nice pictures of me and Millie, there is always a couple of pretty horrid ones where, in the frame by frame snapping, they’ve caught her shake her head or do something weird. Fortunately I don’t buy those ones and can pretend they don’t exist! I can’t imagine what it would be like to have those pictures spread across the internet and torn apart.
I liken it, in my very amateur way, to when the photographer is at competitions, and amongst the nice pictures of me and Millie, there is always a couple of pretty horrid ones where, in the frame by frame snapping, they’ve caught her shake her head or do something weird. Fortunately I don’t buy those ones and can pretend they don’t exist! I can’t imagine what it would be like to have those pictures spread across the internet and torn apart.
shortstuff99
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On the other hand EG horse does that every time he halts. If you watch the end of the special he lifts his hands to correct it. It is a known fault of his from his training techniques (for which are very controversial).
scats
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Fair enough, I don’t think I’ve ever noticed it before. I suppose the point I was getting at was that a snapshot in time can be so misleading.
Northern
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I’d like to know how you read my comments as condescending? Maybe take a breath, get off your high horse and re-read what I wrote. My comments weren’t referring to this thread or forum, rather the downright bullying happening on Facebook. I never said people had no right to comment, rather the opposite. Constructive criticism can open a dialogue and that translates to something that could improve ourselves as riders. The comments on Facebook are not constructive or explain why the commenter comes to that conclusion.
Also never watched Gogglebox, I have no time for trashy TV ??