Arghh YO and hunting - rant!

Haha PaddyMonty you make me laugh...the hunt is not going past the yard on a bridleway. I said in my opening post that the hunt will be on the farm, in fields that are in clear view of the stables. They will be hanging around for 2-3 hours "cubbing" in the hedges and woods on the farm.

I realise that she is allowed a life outside the yard, but running the yard is supposed to be her "job" - that is why we pay her. If I decided to have the day off at short notice and told my customers to sort themselves out for the day, I don't think i would have a job for very long.

I have seen a horse throw itself over a stable door in an attempt to get away from the hunt :(
 
lachlanandmarcus said:
The only part that would make me cross is YO not arranging for someone to make sure horses are ok, have plenty of hay etc. I do think that is not ideal.

Other than that, I dont think the scenario is an unreasonable one. Better the horses to be in than out in most cases esp if fencing not perfect or hunt route not certain.

If one never wants to be put out or have things not quite as you would wish all the time, there is only one solution - and that's to buy your own place.

If you arent comfortable with YO more generally then I would move your horse.
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Absolutely ditto this. Surely it's better for the horses to be in if there's even a remote a chance the hunt will pass close by and wind some of the horses up. I think the YO has been reasonable in giving due notice and asking for the horses to be in, out of potential harms way.

Sure, for those not hunting it's a PITA but the only alternative is to relocate to a yard where you know for certain the hunt is not welcome and the YO and staff don't hunt and leave the DIY unsupervised at all, if that is the level of cover you want. :)
 
PaddyMonty said:
I am lost for words at the YO attitude.
Does she not realise that :
a) she is NOT allowed a life ouside of the yard
b) DIY does not mean owners Do-It-Yourself
c) Owners do have a life ouside of their horse and should not have to deal with their own horses outside of normal visiting hours
d) That horse are made of glass these days and break easily
e) No horse is capable of knowing where the walls of the stable are or have any self preservation.
f) It is NOT the owners responsibility to ensure their horse has experienced enough of life past the local bridleway to allow it to deal with the horror of the hunt coming past
g) paying £xxx per month actually buys the YO, not just rents a stable and some grazing.

What is the world coming to? :eek:
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This gave me a fantastic laugh.
Brilliant :D
 
YO is well within her rights to give permisson to whom they see fit to walk/ride on their land.

And as for the statement about being denied use of the facilities... they are at work anyway so what a load of rubbish!
 
I would be very, very surprised if your YO was going to get drunk cubbing - noone takes hipflasks with them cubbing. Hunting yes, cubbing no. Not surprising considering we start at 6 or 7 a.m.

I honestly don't think you have anything to worry about if they are cubbing nearby. Yes the horses might get slightly revved up but they will be fine. If they are all in, as YO has asked, I think its very unlikely they will get up to too much.

Forgot to ask what kind of livery you are on? I think its one thing to expect a yard manager to stay behind and check the horses but a yard owner who simply owns the yard shouldn't have to stay there at all. Does she normally have much to do with the other horses?
 
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OP I hate my horse being kept in as she gets very stressy and anxious if not turned out, but even I find your attitude a bit surprising. I stable in an area that several hunts use from time to time, the hunts give the YO notice and she asks for the horses to be kept in. I normally try to arrange for mine to have a leg stretch in the school first thing to try and keep her settled, alternatively I just make sure she has lots of hay and give her as much exercise as possible. Her stable is safe and the worst she will do is trash her bed and sweat up.

Last time the hunt were in the area I hacked her up to the meet to see the hounds and hacked back again, it was great experience for her. Next time I might actually go out with them.
 
JenHunt said:
I do wish you'd get off your high horse about the hunting topics. I'm beginning to think you're only here to cause agro.

I understnad you have your opinion, and that's fine by me. But please don't spend your time on here just slagging people off just because you don't agree with their point of view!
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I have so far commented on only two hunting threads, both of them expressing support for proven lawbreakers, in one of which someone was advocating aiding and abetting lawbreaking. But many threads with nothing to do with hunting. So hardly here to cause trouble.

If my opinion is fine by you then why slag me off for expressing it. I think chasing and killing the wildlife for fun, especially when it is now illegal, whilst lording it over everyone else in the area show a itsy bitty bit of lack of character consistent with the colloquial term pond life. Live with it.

The OP was expressing an opinion about being told that she should shut her horse in for the local hunt and was getting stick along the lines of "know your place pleb". I was just standing up for her whilst poking a little bit of fun at the absurdity of hunting.

Paula
 
When I say use of the facilities, I mean the turnout. Personally, leaving my horses in is something I don't like doing. Sorry if you think its arrogant, and I can understand the YO attitude, but equally, if you want your horse out, she should be able to do that on her return. After all, its not going to be late if its cubbing is it? That is what she is paid for! Sorry if that sounds harsh, but if I was on a yard, which did livery, I would expect to be able to pay for her to turn my horse back out, otherwise surely you are better off renting somewhere off a farmer.
 
Paulag said:
I have so far commented on only two hunting threads, both of them expressing support for proven lawbreakers, in one of which someone was advocating aiding and abetting lawbreaking. But many threads with nothing to do with hunting. So hardly here to cause trouble.

If my opinion is fine by you then why slag me off for expressing it. I think chasing and killing the wildlife for fun, especially when it is now illegal, whilst lording it over everyone else in the area show a itsy bitty bit of lack of character consistent with the colloquial term pond life. Live with it.

The OP was expressing an opinion about being told that she should shut her horse in for the local hunt and was getting stick along the lines of "know your place pleb". I was just standing up for her whilst poking a little bit of fun at the absurdity of hunting.

Paula
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Paula, do you realise that most hunts these days don't kill anything?

Of the three that regularly hunt near my yard two are bloodhound packs. The third is a foxhound pack which hunts within the law.

For all you know the hunt coming through the OPs area might be a long established bloodhound or drag pack who have never killed wildlife. Or they may be a pack who now hunt to a trail following the ban. I think you might do well to do a bit of research before posting ill informed and sweeping comments.
 
Paulag said:
I have so far commented on only two hunting threads, both of them expressing support for proven lawbreakers, in one of which someone was advocating aiding and abetting lawbreaking. But many threads with nothing to do with hunting. So hardly here to cause trouble.

If my opinion is fine by you then why slag me off for expressing it. I think chasing and killing the wildlife for fun, especially when it is now illegal, whilst lording it over everyone else in the area show a itsy bitty bit of lack of character consistent with the colloquial term pond life. Live with it.

The OP was expressing an opinion about being told that she should shut her horse in for the local hunt and was getting stick along the lines of "know your place pleb". I was just standing up for her whilst poking a little bit of fun at the absurdity of hunting.

Paula
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actually, the other thread makes no mention of supporting "proven lawbreakers"! it merely asks those who wish to to support a desire for a hunt to use national trust land. I know of no hunts that are carrying on hunting illegally, and I'm sure if they were they wouldn't go about trying to garner support for doing so on national trust land.

I am not slagging you off for expressing your opinion. I am merely expressing my dislike of the way in which you are going about it. Feel free to keep your small minded beliefs to yourself, or learn to express them more eloquently. I shall decide to ignore you until such time as that.
 
Think the pleb comment was made VERY tongue in cheek, from the smiley faces with it! Would suggest this is the last in a long line of minor irratations for the OP.
Personally not anti hunting as such, but do find a lot of hunting people very rude.
 
Previous yard used to make all 60 horses stay in when the hunt was in the area.
Just wish the hunt would come and muck out and pay for the hay and bedding used that day.

OP, perhaps your YO should pay for your time and additional costs. Seems reasonable to me.
 
Pmsl at paddy monty. I've met just that sort of yo, one even asked me to keep mine in when new post & rail was fitted. And recently mine had the audacity to mow his lawn 200m from where we were riding. With that attitude from horsey people, its no wonder the locals are rude enough to drive on my roads when I hack, or allow their children to make noise whilst we ride are precious beasts! Thank heaven for a balanced poster that realises the world revolves round my horse!
Paulag- you are perfectly entitled to be anti hunt, just like some of us are pro hunt. But whilst I would be entitled to use insulting terms in response to being collectively referred to as pond life, I actually am mature enough to respect differing balanced view points. And refrain from childish insults in response to unbalanced, blinkered opinions.
 
OK, I am leaving this thread now as it has turned into a hunt bashing thread, which was never my intention.

My post was to highlight what I thought was unfair treatment from the YO, insisting the horses were in so that she could have the benefit of having the hunt on her land, but without offering any help to check on or turnout horses.

I am not opposed to keeping my horse in for a few hours if necessary, but that is usually made at my choice. I am sure he will be fine, but I am worried for some of the other horses who are nervous when stabled and one that I know is very nervous of the hunt.
 
zaminda said:
otherwise surely you are better off renting somewhere off a farmer.
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That made me laugh, sorry as I can't see you getting better 'service' from that either. Mostly if you rent somewhere from a farmer it will be strictly on DIY, no helping out unless in an absolute crisis and then it's questionable whether their help is actually worth it. Many wouldn't even bother telling you hounds were about as they just wouldn't think it'll be a problem. I know which YO I'd prefer for the safety of my horses.
 
JenHunt said:
actually, the other thread makes no mention of supporting "proven lawbreakers"! it merely asks those who wish to to support a desire for a hunt to use national trust land. I know of no hunts that are carrying on hunting illegally, and I'm sure if they were they wouldn't go about trying to garner support for doing so on national trust land.

I am not slagging you off for expressing your opinion. I am merely expressing my dislike of the way in which you are going about it. Feel free to keep your small minded beliefs to yourself, or learn to express them more eloquently. I shall decide to ignore you until such time as that.
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The hunt concerned was the one with members successfully prosecuted for breaking the law and no other. The petition is in support of the hunt which contained members that broke the law and hence in support of lawbreakers. You may or may not know of anyone hunting illegally at present but the guys that were prosecuted sure were. I would have though the law abiding hunting community would have wanted the hunt disbanded for sullying their lilly white image.

Please feel free to ignore me - I didn't ask for your opinion when I pointed out these guys were breaking the law on the whole two hunting threads I commented on.

Small minded beliefs, but somehow held by the majority of the population (except when advertising rules are being broken).

Paula
 
Our local pack passes our yard at least 3 times a season. We also have the local beagle pack cross our land. The hunts concerned always give me prior warning, both by a phone call and a card.

I have had liveries, and when they made their enquiries, always mentioned to them about the hunt. They were always given the option of turning out as normal, or keeping in for the day, and never had a livery that wanted to leave their horse out.

I would normally be hunting myself, but as had assisted DIY's would bring in/turn out around the hunt. As I would be riding with the hunt, I would leave the horses unattended but with the radio on and full haynets, and never got back to find a stressed or injured horse.

I would like to think that your YO has actually been quite considerate of your horses welfare, by ensuring that you know they are in the area, and by advising you to keep them in. My horses hunt, and would never dream of leaving them out if a pack of hounds went past, as would no doubt attempt to join them!

You obviously have issues with your yard, and it's owner, and would suggest this has made you possibly over-react to her request - it is only for one day after all, and if Autumn hunting, will only be for a few hrs. Therefore moving sounds a good idea and hope you find somewhere more agreeable.
 
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FWIW we have both the hunt come through/past for hound excercise, cubbing and hunting - we also have a shoot on the Estate that is out twice a week most weeks for the season. All the horses here STAY OUT in their fields during all this excitement - the majority ignore it - those who have hunted may do a few handstands and hoon about a bit BEFORE they go back to grazing. TBH I really don't see what the fuss is about:o

Both the hunt and shoot are asked to give a minimum of 24 hours notice before coming through/past - if you dont like it you don't keep your horse here as it part of a big country Estate and being in the middle of the Leicestershire hunting country there is no escape:D TBH the owners have always been more worked up about it all than any of the horses........;):D:D
 
I've only read the initial post on here but honestly ur joking right?!
U want to dictate what happens on ur horses land?! Buy your own field! U have absolutely no right to dictate to your to what he/she does on their own flipping property. U have a problem with that change yards! Ur yo didn't even have to tell you the hunt was coming, but I agree that telling you is very good practice so be grateful. So what of your horses can see the hunt?! Honest to god, just deal with it, I doubt the other liveries are up in arms. I find it hard to take u seriously that you actually think your permission should be sought for what someone else does on their own property.
 
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