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I think the yard owner is at fault here, you were promised turnout for your stallion, she knew he was a stallion and it was up to her to discuss this with the other liveries on the yard, if she felt the need for them to approve!

I'm afraid I would be turning him out in the paddock you have prepared for him and if the other liveries are worried, let them keep their horses stabled 24/7 or leave.

The yard owner agreed to supply you with these facilities for a fee, not a favour and should be prepared to honour this or if she is unable to do so, give you the appropriate notice to find somewhere else.

I know how unhappy you must be right now and hope you manage to sort the situation, just shows how narrow minded many people are tbh.
 
stallioncrazy1969 said:
I would never put my stallions on a D.I.Y yard!
Firstly i would have respect for the people that already keep there horse there. I have owned stallions for many years, but I've had the facilities to do so which many small yards don't.

There is a reason why many livery yards will advertise No stallions. Its because they are dangerous. To other horses, children, handlers etc. I'm not surprised the other liveries are angry. What many people forget is that If a shetland pony wanted to take you out they quite easily would in a flash. It angers me when people say "Oh you wouldn't know he was a stallion" If you are that ignorant and oblivious you shouldn't have one! These are wild animals not cuddly ponies that look pretty!

You can't blame other people for worrying that their horse, children ect could be in danger. What you have to remember is that you're stallion is going to send all the horses hormones raging which is natural, but when owners wan't to school their mare without a stroppy hissy fit. Good luck, perhaps you should listen to the other liveries. Part of it may well be fear of the unknown but plenty will just be wanting to protect their horse *Accidents happen*
You wanted an honest answer??
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But why should people be so worried about what COULD happen? As you seem to be encouraging, if we all worried about what COULD happen all of the time then surely nobody would ever go near any horse at all.

I do take exception to your 'they are wild animals' comment.... Erm, no, quite clearly they aren't.

OP, in September I moved onto a yard with a stallion and at first I was apprehensive and the arrangements are nothing like what you have on your yard. Fencing is suitable, paddock arrangements are well thought out, we tie up on the yard together, lead past, whatever and he is exceptionally well behaved - he is even turned out with the yard gelding which is lovely. He has gone to nip when I change his rug and he can be flighty to lead at times but that is it. I don't know why people perpetuate the 'behaviours' of stallions. Yes some fulfill this stereotype but many do not. It appears that yours does not and even if he did you are doing everything you can to be fair and respectful of the other liveries.

If you want your horse turned out you need to insist that he is, whether others like it or not as I presume turn out was agreed before you moved? The others will get over it. My issue here is with YO.
 
It's making the best of the situation & I have no problem with it. I'd be curious as to why the horse is a stallion (if he is for breeding/competition then I would not expect him to be kept on an everyday DIY yard, but would have no problem with it whatsoever).
 
I have a stallion in the next door box. It meant that my rather huge and fabulous box had been empty waiting for a gelding to fill it. The stallion has a field behind our two boxes for his turnout, he's no bother apart from getting very excited at tea time!
 
marmalade76 said:
That's rather unfair, some of them may have been there for years.
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They should have voiced their worries to the yard owner before the op was offered the facilities for her horses and went to the trouble and expense of setting up safe turnout and moving her horses, not bitch about it after the horses are there and op has given up her previous facilities.

Why should current liveries have any more rights than someone new, everyone's money is the same and it is down to the yard owner to make sure everyone is happy, not just current liveries but everyone who is paying money for facilities they were promised, old or new!!!
 
Perhaps the yard is just unsuitable for a stallion?
Perhaps the yard owner is very inexperienced and has no idea what stallions can be like?
Perhaps other liveries did voice their concerns beforehand?
Perhaps the fencing is inadequate hence liveries are concerned?

Situations like this are always difficult but I think there are always different versions of events and different opinions. If other liveries are concerned about their horses they have a right to be, they do not know your stallion and may have had bad experiences in the past. I suggest tolerance is needed on both sides.
 
BillieBlitzen said:
But op is doing everything she can to make it right, it was up to the YO to consider the other liveries before accepting a stallion onto the yard surely.....
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You're absolutely right, totally agree, the YO should have considered the worries of the other liveries, especially if they had been good customers for a number of years. To say that they should leave if they don't like it is rather unfair IMO.
 
I totally agree, yo is at fault but why should op's stallion suffer just to keep other's happy?

Perhaps the yard is just unsuitable for a stallion?
Perhaps the yard owner is very inexperienced and has no idea what stallions can be like?
Perhaps other liveries did voice their concerns beforehand?

If any of the above are correct, then the yard owner is again at fault for accepting a stallion without the correct facilities, for not learning more about her market before setting up her business or not giving a hoot about her current liveries, not the op or her horses!!!
 
A stallion is not a child eating monster, it is just a horse... with balls.

Some of the best behaved horses I have worked with have been entire. I wouldnt bat an eyelid at a stallion coming onto my yard as long as suitable turnout had been arranged.
 
robden said:
They should have voiced their worries to the yard owner before the op was offered the facilities for her horses and went to the trouble and expense of setting up safe turnout and moving her horses, not bitch about it after the horses are there and op has given up her previous facilities.

How do you know that they were informed or consulted before the OP was offered a place?

Why should current liveries have any more rights than someone new, everyone's money is the same and it is down to the yard owner to make sure everyone is happy, not just current liveries but everyone who is paying money for facilities they were promised, old or new!!!
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Now we all know that there are good liveries and bad, good payers and bad payers. If I were a YO and had a yard full of nice liveries who were good payers, been with me a long time, etc, I wouldn't risk upsetting and losing them for the sake of someone new who might not stick around. Sure, there would be plenty to take their places, but what would they be like?
 
That sounds very well thought out. I've worked on studs with working stallions where the stallion just lived as part of the yard, had separate turnout but they were all turned out next to each other and all friendly. The worst they got was in the summer to leave the farm you had to ride past the mares field and they would call and prance a bit but that's all. If I were on your yard I'd be more worried that my mare would break out to find your stallion, she's naughty like that ;)
I would just turn him out and see if the other liveries notice
 
awkwardsitu said:
Perhaps the yard is just unsuitable for a stallion?
Perhaps the yard owner is very inexperienced and has no idea what stallions can be like?
Perhaps other liveries did voice their concerns beforehand?
Perhaps the fencing is inadequate hence liveries are concerned?

Situations like this are always difficult but I think there are always different versions of events and different opinions. If other liveries are concerned about their horses they have a right to be, they do not know your stallion and may have had bad experiences in the past. I suggest tolerance is needed on both sides.
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I am guessing that you are one of the other liveries. If so, I suggest a yard meeting to discuss this properly.
 
Yes, I agree with EJ. OP there have been a couple of new posters on this thread and they may well be other liveries. Let's be clear that, if that is true and they are other liveries, that both sides have begun to put forward their views without personal attack or derision which is positive. It seems like there will be a way forward for you and your boys....

To the other liveries, the responsibility lies with your YO here, not the new livery.....
 
Completely agree with EllenJay - instead of posting snide comments AwkwardSitu I would ask for a proper yard meeting, the OP has done nothing wrong as far as I can see and your issue is with the yard owner/manager
 
I've years of experience with stallions, and no, I wouldn't put one on a livery yard.

It's not that stallions that are the issue per say, it's the change of atmosphere they cause within the other herds.

Sorry, but if I didn't have my own land (to rent or own) I wouldn't have a stallion.
 
Picklenash said:
Completely agree with EllenJay - instead of posting snide comments AwkwardSitu I would ask for a proper yard meeting, the OP has done nothing wrong as far as I can see and your issue is with the yard owner/manager
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I don't think anyone was posting snide comments - this has obviously caused upset and should be talked out.
 
EllenJay said:
I don't think anyone was posting snide comments - this has obviously caused upset and should be talked out.
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On another thread that Stormy had posted about new electric fencing she mentioned that she didn't think the school was used much at her new place..... 'akwardsitu' felt that it was her place to comment and say that the school was used.... 'be warned'. How pleasant :mad:
 
StormyMoments said:
your yard owner allowed a stallion to livery on your yard

would you be upset?
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Possibly. I have no problems with yard owners having stallions. I have been at a number of yards with stallions, and had no problems. Current yard has an intact rising three year old.

I wouldnt be so happy with being on a DIY yard and one of the other liveries having a stallion. That rather more puts all the other owners at the mercy of the common sense and handling skills of the other livery.

I do agree their are stallions and stallions. And I have handled and ridden some stallions that you are hard pushed to tell are stallions, and others that it is obvious.

It would also depend on the set up of the yard and the fencing. If yard sensibly set up and decent stallion fencing, would be fairly happy.
 
Absolutely no problem - sometimes they are easier than mares. At my last yard we had 4: 1 arab, 1 section D, 1 Andalusian and a Warmblood. They were all very well behaved and would tie up next to geldings and generally didn't bother with the mares. I regularly hacked out with the Andalusian and the Section D.

As long as you are aware they are around and don't do something silly such as tieing a mare up outside their box, they should be fine.
 
BillieBlitzen said:
On another thread that Stormy had posted about new electric fencing she mentioned that she didn't think the school was used much at her new place..... 'akwardsitu' felt that it was her place to comment and say that the school was used.... 'be warned'. How pleasant :mad:
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Yep, that is exactly that I was referring to BB
 
I'd still like to know about the fencing. 5' post & rail would have been popped without a second thought by a couple of stallions I've known, others it might be perfectly adequate for. We share one fence with a field that a pony popped in autumn. It was about 8mnths old & very recently gelded. At about 11hh owner thought having mares over the fence wasn't an issue. It popped the sturdy, standard post & rail no problem, no doubt enticed by daughters tarty mare. And when moved to a further field popped 3 more fences & came across the fields for another go.
 
awkwardsitu said:
Perhaps the yard is just unsuitable for a stallion?
Perhaps the yard owner is very inexperienced and has no idea what stallions can be like?
Perhaps other liveries did voice their concerns beforehand?
Perhaps the fencing is inadequate hence liveries are concerned?

Situations like this are always difficult but I think there are always different versions of events and different opinions. If other liveries are concerned about their horses they have a right to be, they do not know your stallion and may have had bad experiences in the past. I suggest tolerance is needed on both sides.
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I'm sorry OP but I do agree with this.

Our yard was in a similar situation a couple of months ago. A livery left the yard and came back on a few weeks later with a colt, the YO didn't even know the difference between a foal, colt and gelding. She said that you couldn't even tell he wasn't gelded and had no plans to but there is always the 'what if' situation. As a mare owner, I was furious, there was not adequate turnout or facilities and it had to be gelded to stay on the yard. My anger was more likely down to the fact that the contract says no stallions or colts. Plus there is few on the yard capable of handling a stallion including the owner. So I can sympathize with the liveries on your yard when they do not know Rio.

The tension on the yard needs to be sorted soon, it's no good to be bitching. I agree tolerance needs to be on both sides but the only way you'll win the other liveries round is time. They need to see for themselves this situation isn't a problem.
 
If its as explained, no it wouldn't bother me at all, just as long as the fencing was super secure. If the YO felt it was a real issue, surely they wouldn't let you livery a stallion there in the first place?

I've been on yards before when I've absolutely hated handling some of the horses, none of which were stallions. Any horse that isn't handled properly can be a concern for other liveries, it doesn't have to be a stallion!
 
BillieBlitzen said:
On another thread that Stormy had posted about new electric fencing she mentioned that she didn't think the school was used much at her new place..... 'akwardsitu' felt that it was her place to comment and say that the school was used.... 'be warned'. How pleasant :mad:
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If you read the rest of their posts on that thread it says their phone posted before they finished, and that the OP should be warned because there are holes in the arena so could get injuries when schooling, hence they left the yard. Sounds like awkwardsitu used to be on the yard, has now left, is probably in touch with people who are still there and that, as always, there is more to the story than the rosy picture of amazing fencing and superb protocols which has been painted by the OP!
 
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