Atrocious 3.5 ton horsebox designs

[The Fuzzy Furry]

Get a life you little troll

Thank you so much, very eloquent sweetie.
Dont you need to be in bed by now? School tomorrow

 

[little_critter]

So you have no concept of the design im talking about then so why comment

I have a 3.5t box with stallion partitions. I cannot visualise what you are describing.
I open the ramp, open the full height partition, load the horse, tie the horse (just the one) close the partition and walk down the ramp.
I have in the past travelled one horse and one pony a short distance. But wouldn’t travel 2 horses.

 

[Tiger tiger]

I have a 3.5t box with stallion partitions. I cannot visualise what you are describing.
I open the ramp, open the full height partition, load the horse, tie the horse (just the one) close the partition and walk down the ramp.
I have in the past travelled one horse and one pony a short distance. But wouldn’t travel 2 horses.

Hmmm not what i tried to describe,its difficult when you cant visualise it i guess but glad your safe

 

[Tiger tiger]

Rude, I’ve travelled horses in all types of transport for over 30 years thousands of miles… If you comment on a public forum people will reply to your comment. If you are so experienced why were you loading 2 horses into a 3.5 which would be way over the payload, & if the design is so unsafe, why did you continue to try to load them?! You still haven’t answered as to why you simply didn’t walk down the ramp when the partition fell over, surely you were on the right side of the horse tying it to the ring?! So how were you trapped? Trippity trap off under your bridge …

Rude oh come on now its not me been jumping to conclusions but trying to explain what happened and getting trolled, why because im saying something hitting a nerve because you have one, im sorry you feel better about belittling an actual problem with a design thats increasingly becoming popular with builders than taking time to contemplate a situation you may well avoid yourself

 

[little_critter]

Do you have a photo of the arrangement? It might help us understand the issue.

 

[ycbm]

You obviously are completely out of touch or dont have access to google search, because if you did youd know that nearly all accidents of this nature are equally split between trailers and 3.5 ton boxes only a few REPORTED AND ATTENDED incidents each year are to herringbone boxes or trailers, and out of ALL of those incidents 75% are happening while being loaded or unloaded or sat still.

Can you please point me to this research, I can't find it. The only bit I can find is from Australia about trailer related injuries, which reports

Nearly 84 percent of the injuries were sustained while the trailer was moving, as opposed to during loading or unloading or when the trailer was stationary.

 

[Red-1]

I don't believe all 3.5 tonne designs are faulty, and therefore unless you specify the dangerous manufacturer where the partition will fall on another horse if the horse leans on it, it doesn't help people.

My 3.5 tonne is a coachbuilt. It is safe and I have never needed to exit out of the grooms door once they are tied up. Are you talking about one of them that looks like a standard van? Is the ramp really narrow or something so you couldn't walk down it.

They can't turn when double tied. I don't understand how a breast bar can stop them stepping sideways. I certainly wouldn't open the grooms door unless they are double tied. The non elastic trailer ties are great, clip and go.

Obviously your box was faulty as the partition collapsed, but that doesn't mean all small boxes are faulty.

I hope your horses are fully recovered and still happy to travel.

 

[ycbm]

Want a laser for those tatts

This is not a safe forum to assume that people with tattoos are up for ridicule. Many forum members have them. And that's a really nasty, snipey thing to write.
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[skint.spotty]

I cannot tell if OP is a troll (but what a weird thing to troll about) or someone who's incredibly riled after a frightening experience and joined with a vendetta.

 

[ycbm]

I cannot tell if OP is a troll (but what a weird thing to troll about) or someone who's incredibly riled after a frightening experience and joined with a vendetta.

I think the latter but I don't understand why on this and their Intro thread rant they aren't prepared to name the box.
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[skint.spotty]

I think the latter but I don't understand why on this and their Intro thread they aren't prepared to name the box.
.

I am inclined to think so too but confused, if that's true, why they won't name the box. Unless they are intending to go to lawsuit, from if they are the description of the events in the OP would be enough to identify, and the jeopardise, any case.

 

[Red-1]

This is not a safe forum to assume that people with tattoos are up for ridicule. Many forum members have them. And that's a really nasty, snipey thing to write.
.

Crikey, Tiger Tiger only joined yesterday and knows that TFF has tatts? I have been on here ages and had no clue. Half the people, I have no idea if they are young or old, make or female...

This is descending into a Facebook type rant.

I can't see it is much of an effective vendetta without showing the manufacturer and perhaps photos of what the set up and partition look like. That way people will know what to avoid.

 

[Red-1]

I am inclined to think so too but confused, if that's true, why they won't name the box. Unless they are intending to go to lawsuit, from if they are the description of the events in the OP would be enough to identify, and the jeopardise, any case.

For a lawsuit, there would have to be damage/injury. Although it obviously scared OP, I think she/he and the horses are OK?

 

[skint.spotty]

For a lawsuit, there would have to be damage/injury. Although it obviously scared OP, I think she/he and the horses are OK?

Well despite their somewhat confrontational first impressions on here I hope so.

 

[ycbm]

Crikey, Tiger Tiger only joined yesterday and knows that TFF has tatts?

I'm not sure she does, but if she does she in good company.

https://forums.horseandhound.co.uk/threads/tattoo-appreciation-%F0%9F%A5%B0.831142/

 

[OldNag]

OP weren't you overweight if loading 2 horses into a 3.5T?

 

[Grassy]

Rude oh come on now its not me been jumping to conclusions but trying to explain what happened and getting trolled, why because im saying something hitting a nerve because you have one, im sorry you feel better about belittling an actual problem with a design thats increasingly becoming popular with builders than taking time to contemplate a situation you may well avoid yourself

I won’t be in this situation as I have a safe, solid coach built 3.5 with a stallion partition as described above, rear full length doors I would only ever travel one horse as I am experienced enough to know that 2 is overweight & she doesn’t try to follow me out because she’s properly trained… No one is jumping to conclusions but you still don’t say why you didn’t just tie the horse up & walk down the ramp like everyone else

 

[Melody Grey]

OP weren't you overweight if loading 2 horses into a 3.5T?

One would have thought so. I can’t quite visualise what’s gone on but could it be that the box was designed with the second passenger thought to be smaller due to weight limit? Was the box designed with two bigger horses in mind?

How big were the horses involved and could their physical size (as well as weight) have been part of the problem?

All of the 3.5t’s I’ve used and seen have been symmetrical in their design for both sides of the partition admittedly.

 

[scats]

I’ve read the original post twice but I still don’t really understand what happened. I only travel one small horse in my 3.5 van conversion and I removed the partition so she has the full space, but regardless of that, if you are loading the last horse then surely you exit down the ramp?
Or has someone had to shut the ramp quickly for some reason?

I’m unsure why the OP has such a confrontational attitude.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Here you go. A very sturdy and reputable make of coachbuilt 3.5t stallion box. No breast bar, wheel arches in horse area.

I cannot see how what the OP describes could happen in this box. How does the make that the OP will apparently not name compare to this?

There ARE many death trap 3.5t boxes out there, but I can't make head nor tail or what OP describes, or whether he/she acknowledged that despite their self proclaimed experienced, they seem to have overloaded the box. This box, sturdy as it is, would not legally carry 2 full size horses.

 

[Grassy]

OP weren't you overweight if loading 2 horses into a 3.5T?

I’ve asked this a few times. Still, school goes back tomorrow

 

[Grassy]

Here you go. A very sturdy and reputable make of coachbuilt 3.5t stallion box. No breast bar, wheel arches in horse area.

I cannot see how what the OP describes could happen in this box. How does the make that the OP will apparently not name compare to this?

There ARE many death trap 3.5t boxes out there, but I can't make head nor tail or what OP describes, or whether he/she acknowledged that despite their self proclaimed experienced, they seem to have overloaded the box. This box, sturdy as it is, would not legally carry 2 full size horses.

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Similar to mine with full length doors at the back