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So BBP has always been the trigger for me asking and learning about weird things, on here and elsewhere.

Now it’s the turn of the not so little young one (pesky creature has gone overheight!), and I thought I would test the HHO knowledge database before the vet and osteopath see him.

2 odd things:

1) when he gets worried, he gets hiccups. Not thumps, not windsucking, but actual hiccups (random disruption of the diaphragm unrelated to his heartbeat) which then clearly cause gut discomfort and he will drop down to roll to help himself. It is almost impossible to progress training as the hiccups come on so easily.

2) his neck ‘clunks’ for want of a better word. It’s not popping/cracking like air from the joints, it’s a sort of clunky twangy feeling. If you place a hand about a hand distance back from the poll on the top of his neck you can feel something clunking/moving as his head and neck move up down left and right. It feels like a muscle or ligament slipping over something. Sometimes you can see or hear something happening. My equine anatomy is not up to knowing what is going on. The other horses all feel smooth as they go through their range of movement.

So can I please activate the hive mind? Any experience of either of these things? Likelihood of the two things being connected (neck issue affecting the phrenic nerve that innervates the diagphragm…or am I overthinking?)
 

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No idea on the neck thing.

I had a Shetland x Welsh cross who got hiccups randomly from foaling until he was about five when they stopped and never came back. He didn’t roll but he’d paw the ground and look at his flanks and act stressed by them. Being worried or excited seemed to trigger them, the tractor arriving with a new big bale could do it and his first farrier visit, as did his first lorry trip.

Vet had no idea what it was and said he’d get over it, I’ve never seen it in another horse before or since.
 

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Am I right in remembering that he is a Connie, or Connie in part? From experience they do seem predisposed to musculoskeletal issues so if he's to be a riding horse I'd definitely want that X rayed!
 

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As above, I'd want him scoped and examined for gastric issues and the noise from the neck sounds like it could be a ligament slipping over a bone or arthritis.
Both are definitely vet jobs.
 
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I had one which used to get hiccups it always came on when he was tacked up and I never witnessed it otherwise. Sadly he turned out to have DSLD / ESPA. I don't know if it was related and I certainly hope your horse does not have this.
 

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My Friesian gets (got) hiccups when being tacked up, and he didn't really want to work. What I assume was his reluctance to impending work never actually affected his work - he was always a good boy, and once I was on board and off we went, he seemed to enjoy it. Hiccups only ever lasted for a minute of two whilst I tacked up, and in all other respects he never behaved like a horse with gastric problems.
I think if I were you, I'd get both your issues investigated by a vet.

ETA he didn't get hiccups every time I tacked him up...only occasionally.
 

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I had one which used to get hiccups it always came on when he was tacked up and I never witnessed it otherwise. Sadly he turned out to have DSLD / ESPA. I don't know if it was related and I certainly hope your horse does not have this.
Thank you, that is interesting to hear.
 

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My Friesian gets (got) hiccups when being tacked up, and he didn't really want to work. What I assume was his reluctance to impending work never actually affected his work - he was always a good boy, and once I was on board and off we went, he seemed to enjoy it. Hiccups only ever lasted for a minute of two whilst I tacked up, and in all other respects he never behaved like a horse with gastric problems.
I think if I were you, I'd get both your issues investigated by a vet.

ETA he didn't get hiccups every time I tacked him up...only occasionally.
I certainly will. Both the vet and osteo have observed the hiccups and neither were 100% on the cause (we think he seems to hold his breath when worried which then disrupts the nervous signal to the diaphragm) but it was so irregular that we were waiting to see if it would reoccur.

The neck I only noticed 2 days ago when I was doing some hands on work with him, but that isn’t to say it hasn’t always been that way and I just haven’t noticed.
 

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Hello! Nice to see you back, even if for not so great reasons.

I’d be asking the vet too. Will you keep us updated? Hope all goes well.
Thanks! Been doing my best to spend less time online and more living in the moment!

Just had a good and pragmatic chat with the vet (probably the nicest vet you could ever meet, spent ages discussing everything even though she was just there for the cellulitis). She has never heard of random stress triggered hiccups other than thumps so is going away to research a bit more on that one.

The neck he was slightly reactive around C3/C4 and he does have a slight lateral ambling walk with a pronounced pelvic sway and an unusual flight path of his hind limbs. The latter have been noticeable since we bought him, We were hoping when he was younger that he might grow out of this as he was very short in the back with huge hind legs and thought perhaps he had just found a way to make his life easier. But although it is improving slightly as he gets older he is way behind what you would expect from a 3yo. So there are some red flags for neck/neuro issue. Reins back and crosses hinds perfectly well. The clunking feeling is likely to be Nuchal or associated ligament moving but not something vet has felt before.

On the pragmatic side, he is completely aware of where his legs are, he is balanced and stable at all times and so there is no urgency to go poking and scanning and stressing him out at this young age. We are going to do more inhand and osteopathic work with him this year as he turns 4 and see what improvements that will bring. I had never intended to back him until he was 5 anyway so we will continually monitor him and will look to x-ray/scan neck etc at that point.

It’s all a bit gutting, but to be honest, after he ruptured his SDFT I accepted that he may only ever be a big pet, so if that is still the case then so be it.
 

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And for those who might be interested but worried to ask…
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The bonkers black pony is still here. Still weird.

I didn’t want to pry but I am thrilled! Long may his weirdness reign.

I hope little one just needs to organise himself a bit. I had a neuro check on Mim when she was 3 and it turned out to be weakness rather than neuro issue - weakness and a neurotic owner.

We did raised poles a lot (in hand) and back up, turns on the forehand, carrot stretches and weaving in and out of traffic cones. Some of the most fun times with her actually, I love faffing about with them almost more than riding. In fact, definitely more than riding.
 

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And for those who might be interested but worried to ask…
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The bonkers black pony is still here. Still weird.
Oh that was me - phew!!

Babycob went through a stage of hiccups. I guessed gut but he came back with a high tapeworm reading on his equisal test. Stopped post worming only to come back a few months later - test high again. Not entirely sure why we can't get on top of the tapeworm but the hiccups are a clue he's uncomfortable
 

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Oh that was me - phew!!

Babycob went through a stage of hiccups. I guessed gut but he came back with a high tapeworm reading on his equisal test. Stopped post worming only to come back a few months later - test high again. Not entirely sure why we can't get on top of the tapeworm but the hiccups are a clue he's uncomfortable
He was galloping ultra high speed laps this morning with the elephant legged youngster, so clearly both feeling pretty fresh at the moment!

Fascinating about the tapeworm, I do need to retest as this one did come with a worm burden and it is taking time to get control of the redworm. I’ll follow up on that. Thanks so much.
 

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I didn’t want to pry but I am thrilled! Long may his weirdness reign.

I hope little one just needs to organise himself a bit. I had a neuro check on Mim when she was 3 and it turned out to be weakness rather than neuro issue - weakness and a neurotic owner.

We did raised poles a lot (in hand) and back up, turns on the forehand, carrot stretches and weaving in and out of traffic cones. Some of the most fun times with her actually, I love faffing about with them almost more than riding. In fact, definitely more than riding.
I’m thrilled too. Every day with BBP is a bonus, he has been on terrific form since his ‘D-Day’ was cancelled.

I’m looking for a lovely sensible loan pony to join us soon that can accompany the chilled chocolate pony out and about hacking in hand and seeing the world, as we sadly lost the horse I was relying on to be the good influence. The few times he went out last summer did his walk the world of good, he has a huge walk when he actually gets everything in the right order so I think in hand hacking will do him the world of good I terms of strengthening up. So mission impossible to find a unicorn of a hacking buddy is commencing!.
 

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So pleased to see my HHO favorite BBP is still out there being his quirky self!

I also lost my planned seasoned hacking buddy (did not belong to me though), so I just solo inhand hack my 3 year old. We even did a solo off of the yard trip and that went well too. He seemed fine with 2 humans and no other horse.

I also do a lot of pole and proprioception work with him on the ground. So I imagine keeping up with that stuff would help yours too.
 

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Many years ago a friend had a Connie that got excited hiccups! He absolutely loved going out and about so would get them when they bathed him and got the lorry out!
I'm not sure if they did any investigations into them, it could well be 35-40 years ago so probably not, but I'm sure I remember them saying he grew out of them. Hopefully it's nothing too serious for the wee one!
And I'm another really glad to see an upside down BBP!
 

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I’m thrilled too. Every day with BBP is a bonus, he has been on terrific form since his ‘D-Day’ was cancelled.

I’m looking for a lovely sensible loan pony to join us soon that can accompany the chilled chocolate pony out and about hacking in hand and seeing the world, as we sadly lost the horse I was relying on to be the good influence. The few times he went out last summer did his walk the world of good, he has a huge walk when he actually gets everything in the right order so I think in hand hacking will do him the world of good I terms of strengthening up. So mission impossible to find a unicorn of a hacking buddy is commencing!.
I may know of just the thing! Whereabouts are you? PM if you prefer
 

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This won't help your bank balance but he seems to be a classic case for Tom Beech (The Osteopathic Vet) to take a look at. I realise your vet is looking into things carefully for you but Tom just seems to see things other vets miss- and especially if you don't want to stress out a youngster with all sorts of "technical" tests at this stage. He would also be able to advise on the best groundwork to do with him.
 
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