BBP
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Funny you say that, I noticed right after I posted on here yesterday that he had posted about neck issues and the gut and thought how relevant it seemed.
Back with another weird horse thing…
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Michen
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I wouldn’t wait to X ray the neck. If he’s showing any neuro symptoms that could be due to compression of the spinal cord you 100% want to be treating that now not waiting I’d have thought.
Boggles neck clicked/clicks a lot.
Bear used to get those hiccup things when he had gorged on grass, coming in from field.
Boggles neck clicked/clicks a lot.
Bear used to get those hiccup things when he had gorged on grass, coming in from field.
Marigold4
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I would skip Tom Beech and go straight to x-rays too. I would want to know what was going on in that neck. Without x-rays, it's just a guess.
Palindrome
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I saw that video yesterday and it made me think of your horse, is it like that?
Of course yours hasn't been ridden behind the vertical.
I had never seen something like that before, it's looks like the muscle twitching when she changes the direction of the head. Could be something normal in a well muscled horse if the horse's muscles are contracting, I don't know.
ETA : they call it "crest flipping".
Of course yours hasn't been ridden behind the vertical.
I had never seen something like that before, it's looks like the muscle twitching when she changes the direction of the head. Could be something normal in a well muscled horse if the horse's muscles are contracting, I don't know.
ETA : they call it "crest flipping".
BBP
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That is basically it! How bizarre that that video has been posted now. Not always that obvious but occasionally. But yes, at 3yo with no work under his belt it absolutely isn’t a reflection of training. And it isn’t only if he is in flexion. From the notes and other post she seems to be saying that it is caused by damage or weakness of the soft tissue attachments between the funical cord section of the nuchal ligament and the C2 vertebrae. Which makes sense as it isn’t held stable and is flipping between the origin at the occiput and the C3 area.
I have sent those to my vet, so thanks very much to signposting me to them.
BBP
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It’s a fair point. I’m catching up with my vet again tomorrow about the cellulitis so will have another chat.
santas_spotty_pony
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Is the hiccups a bit like a gulp sound? My mate does it and my old boy did it too - always when unsure about something.
BBP
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Not really. I need to try to capture it on camera next time.
Michen
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Yeah I really wouldn’t muck around with it and I’d want a full neuro work up too, the tests they ask aren’t particularly stressful. Obviously I’m a bit hyper aware about neuro stuff atm but you’ve already got some warning signs.
BBP
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I certainly seem to know how to pick horses that don’t seem destined to be riding horses.
Michen
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I think more likely you just care, and are experienced enough to see the stuff that your average horse owner misses. I'm sorry there's a Q mark over him but you'll be in a better position for knowing either way. And you don't want to be backing a horse that you have ANY doubt over if he knows where his feet totally are.
BBP
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100% agree about backing. He’s just the absolute loveliest young pony, so I don’t regret having brought him into the family, however things turn out.
Hope Mr Boggle is okay, I need to catch up on your boggle hits the USA thread, I think I’m well out of date!
Michen
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I really hope he’s ok and I’m sure if there is something you will manage it! Hahaha depending on where you left off it’s a real page turner
if you like depressing dramas with a mix of horror film type events thrown in.BBP
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X-rays and ultrasounds tomorrow. I’ve been coping pretty well up til now, what will be will be etc, but my brain is catastrophising hard tonight. He’s only 3.
SEL
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Fingers crossed for you xx
Dave's Mam
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Hope you get a resolution. Fingers crossed.
Jeni the dragon
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I hope things go OK today, and you get some answers.
Surbie
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Fingers crossed for you today.
southerncomfort
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Good luck BBP. Hoping for good news. 
AmyMay
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Good luck today.
Horseysheepy
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Sending you much Good luck for today
rextherobber
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Best wishes for today, hope all goes well
splashgirl45
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Good luck
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
Everything crossed, neither of you deserve this.
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BBP
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Thanks everyone.
Chuffy99
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I’m just hoping you get some answers and a great outcome
Pearlsacarolsinger
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Everything crossed for you both here.
BallyJ
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Best of luck today! Got my fingers crossed for you both!! x
BBP
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Well, I’m still on a little bit of a ‘wait and see’ as vet wants to send images to a number of specialists to gain further opinions on clinical significance. But the gist I think is that X-rays looks relatively unremarkable but ultrasounds showed possible anomaly at C4/C5 and at attachment point of nuchal ligament.
She did say he would be an interesting candidate for a CT (typical!).
So will wait to see what they say once the specialists have had a chance to look at the images next week.
Thanks for the support. (He is now sporting one of the more unusual clip jobs you will see on his furry yak coat, running either side of the neck along the line of the cervical vertebrae and then up and over the top, sacrificing a significant portion of his mane to an extreme bridlepath!)
She did say he would be an interesting candidate for a CT (typical!).
So will wait to see what they say once the specialists have had a chance to look at the images next week.
Thanks for the support. (He is now sporting one of the more unusual clip jobs you will see on his furry yak coat, running either side of the neck along the line of the cervical vertebrae and then up and over the top, sacrificing a significant portion of his mane to an extreme bridlepath!)
BBP
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Just to close this out for anyone reading it down the line.
The good news is there is nothing to report on X-rays or ultrasound, no signs of malformation, compression or damage. However none of the vets were familiar with the subluxating nuchal ligament, or why it might be doing that. I’ve only found one paper on it, in which they referred to the role the M. obliquus capitis caudalis muscle (it connects the spinous process of the axis to the wing of the atlas and works to rotate the head as well as stabilise the atlas axis joint) plays in stabilising the funicular cord of the nuchal ligament up near the poll. So I’m now seeking out any kind of physio/osteo/specialist who has any kind of a scooby doo about all that stuff and what on earth we can do to help stabilise that ligament and get him comfortable. There is almost zero literature out there on this though.
So in summary…another weird horse thing!
The good news is there is nothing to report on X-rays or ultrasound, no signs of malformation, compression or damage. However none of the vets were familiar with the subluxating nuchal ligament, or why it might be doing that. I’ve only found one paper on it, in which they referred to the role the M. obliquus capitis caudalis muscle (it connects the spinous process of the axis to the wing of the atlas and works to rotate the head as well as stabilise the atlas axis joint) plays in stabilising the funicular cord of the nuchal ligament up near the poll. So I’m now seeking out any kind of physio/osteo/specialist who has any kind of a scooby doo about all that stuff and what on earth we can do to help stabilise that ligament and get him comfortable. There is almost zero literature out there on this though.
So in summary…another weird horse thing!