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This is from another forum. What appalls me are the people saying 'Oh well, you don't know what's in your kid's food either, so I'm not going to worry'.:eek:

As I said on there, dogs and kids don't have a choice. We do. Ok, some dogs might tolerate nothing else, but if you have a choice, surely people read the ingredients and do some research on food?

'Below is some info that is widely available on the web, please have a read and make your own judgement.

The law has recently changed and animal foodstuff manufacturers can no longer list 'permitted colours/additives' on products sold in quantities greater than 10 kilos.

Well, Bakers and the like can no longer say "permitted X Y Z", they now have to TELL us the crap they put in their food and, at last, I can now show it to the people who doubted it.

At the end of the day, dogs don't give two hoots if their food is bone shaped, heart shaped or brightly coloured; this is done as a marketing ploy for the buyers. As a responsible pet owner and rescue worker, I am not happy to feed dogs in my care THIRTEEN E numbers:



E320 - has been found to be tumour-producing when fed to rats. In human studies it has been linked with urticaria, angioedema and asthma

E321 - banned for use in food in Japan, Romania, Sweden, and Australia. The US has barred it from being ...used in infant foods. So bad McDonalds have voluntarily eliminated it from their products.

E310 - Banned from children's foods in the US because it is thought to cause the blood disorder methemoglobinemia

E172 - Banned in Germany

E132 - Can cause skin sensitivity, a rash similar to nettle rash, itching, nausea, high blood pressure and breathing problems. One of the colours that the Hyperactive Children's Support Group recommends be eliminated from the diet of children. Banned in Norway.

E102 - TARTRAZINE - A trial on 76 children diagnosed as hyperactive, showed that tartrazine provoked abnormal behaviour patterns in 79% of them

E110 - Sunset Yellow has been found to damage kidneys and adrenals when fed to laboratory rats. It has also been found to be carcinogenic when fed to animals

E104 - One of the colours that the Hyperactive Children's Support Group recommends be eliminated from the diet of children. Banned in Australia, Japan, Norway and the United States.

E171 - Banned in Germany

E153 - Banned as a food additive in the United States of America. Suspected as a carcinogenic agent.'
 
Well you'll all be happy to know ive taken my dog off of bakers. shes on harringtons now and loving it.

Thanks to AAD for shining a light on this.
 
katielou said:
It makes me sad that people are happily feeding this crap along with all the other bad foods out there.
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Instead of feeling bad why not try to do more.

I had read the back of bakers years ago, and didnt think anything of it.

Since coming on here and reading about it ive changed because people like the OP who are trying to enlighten us with fussy dogs.
 
:eek: Hell, I knew it was bad, but not that bad!

Needless to say, Bear The Border will never be offered Bakers, let alone fed it. As it contains two banned E numbers, I can't buy it here, even if I wanted to. Which I most deffo don't ..............:mad:
 
ThePinkPony said:
Instead of feeling bad why not try to do more.

I had read the back of bakers years ago, and didnt think anything of it.

Since coming on here and reading about it ive changed because people like the OP who are trying to enlighten us with fussy dogs.
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Try to do more how?
I do soooo much education on dog food here and IRL.
I am at every dog event in 100 mile radius of my home with a booth on dog nutrition.
I have turned numerous people on this board onto raw feeding (i think it was me and KarenK that were the "raw feeders" on here)
 
Should I write to Hugh Fearnley-whatdoyoumacallhim?! Seriously, I would love to do some sort of awareness campaign. Maybe write to all the big supermarkets with the list of E numbers and carcinogens it has?
 
^^ thats what i meant, sorry katielou, i didnt mean it to sound like i was having a go.

i mean like WHAT can be done? petitions?
 
Bakers is utter cr*p!! And expensive cr*p at that. Just like pedigree, wagg, pal, etc!! Owners choose what looks most appealing they don't read all the rubbish that goes into it!
 
I presume this is the thread on the Pet Forum Community which Ive been following, I think the trouble is the message needs to get out to the wider community. Most people who use these forums are responsible people who are looking for answers and are happy to accept what other posters tell them.

The wider public never question what is on the packet of their dogs feed, hell they dont even train their dogs.

If you think Jamie Oliver had a hard task trying to convince kids and their parents about what went into their kids school dinners you have an even harder task trying to get them to change Fidos food.

I think the answer lies with Bakers themselves, if the evidence is presented to them for their perusal and they realise there is a section of the dog owning community against their food they might just change their ingredients. The last thing they want is bad publicity.

Good Luck.
 
Earlier this year I took on a 2yr old Great Dane who was being rehomed due to marriage break-up - she and her very fat Labrador brother were being fed on this c**p.

You can imagine, given the amount of rubbish in the food, what was being produced at the other end :eek::eek:
Thankfully on proper food there is much less to pick up now :D
 
Dobiegirl said:
I presume this is the thread on the Pet Forum Community which Ive been following, I think the trouble is the message needs to get out to the wider community.
I think the answer lies with Bakers themselves, if the evidence is presented to them for their perusal and they realise there is a section of the dog owning community against their food they might just change their ingredients. The last thing they want is bad publicity.

Good Luck.
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Ooh, who are you on there? I was surprised to see people still feeding it on there. :(

I agree, I think Bakers need to be approached but I think little old me sending an email will result in a corporate load of b******s reply with some nonsense about what a great food it is. I wonder if I could link some threads on here and on the other forum? Might make them realise how 'uphauled' we are.

CaveCanem said:
Eh? I know you weren't!!
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:)
 
cinammontoast said:
Ooh, who are you on there? I was surprised to see people still feeding it on there. :(

I agree, I think Bakers need to be approached but I think little old me sending an email will result in a corporate load of b******s reply with some nonsense about what a great food it is. I wonder if I could link some threads on here and on the other forum? Might make them realise how 'uphauled' we are.



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They are very quick to contact you and issue empty threats when you speak badly of them :)
 
I think someone needs to go out and take pics of the bright orange pile of steaming arse explosions which it often produces and bombard message boards with them :p

There are a couple of GSDs which are walked on the same path as ours and their poos look like and are pretty much the size of horse poo, there is so much cereal!!
 
Oooh *****..

who can guess what im going to say?

i didnt know


*starts shopping for new dog food quickly*
 
Most of us were on the not knowing side at one point :)

What I found:
Behaviour improved
Coat quality improved
Skin disorder cleared up
Stools became harder and healthier
Farts were less heinous
Anal glands stank less :D

Mine are on JWB or Burns now.
 
Sorry folks,but I`m with Katie Lou on this one..ALL dried foods,as a WHOLE diet are ghastly! As an additive to sprinkle as a treat onto the proper raw diet,well it probably does no harm.
The sooner all dogs are fed as nature intended the sooner your vet will lose money..which can only be good for all of you.
 
I would love to feed raw but my large freezer died some time ago and I only have a small one, cant afford to buy another just yet.

On the plus side the pup is virtually on raw and this will continue having a mixture of fish and meat all good quality.
 
EAST KENT said:
Sorry folks,but I`m with Katie Lou on this one..ALL dried foods,as a WHOLE diet are ghastly! As an additive to sprinkle as a treat onto the proper raw diet,well it probably does no harm.
The sooner all dogs are fed as nature intended the sooner your vet will lose money..which can only be good for all of you.
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see the raw diet is all very well EK and in an ideal world i would without hestitation but like a lot of people im a busy person trying to fit my work in with looking after 2 horses one dog and a furr ball a small child and then there's the OH (but lets not mention him!)

feeding the mutt has to be easy, reasonably economical and convenient. sorry it just has to be. Plus i only have 1 dog and a tiny freezer so buying in a shed load of frozen chook carcases aint going do it im afraid.

agreed tho, dried food is rather rank and i pity my poor dog but in the summer i dont want a lot of fly infested dog tins stinking up the rubbish so im still trying to find an ideal between the both at the mo

what i buy has to be available at the supermarket or animal feed merchants.
all recommendations from you knowledgeable ladies gratefully received!
 
Nothing from the supermarket is any good.

can you order online? If so fish4dogs is good.

James wellbeloved is ok. I know everyone says skinners and i use to because it was the same but it seems they have changed their formulas?
 
Prize Choice tripe blocks stack up in small freezer drawers really easily and keep in the fridge too, they do chicken, rabbit, fish, all sorts. From Jollyes, Pets@Home etc and between 70-90p a block, even if you want to feed one or two days a week and dry the rest of the time.
It's not hard to feed raw, I get all my other stuff out of the bargain bins at Tesco, Asda, Iceland, got two trays of lamb kidney for £2 out of Tesco yesterday and that will be the bulk of his food for two days, it's easy to do by ear.
Turkey legs from Asda are £1.80 or so and keep them busy for hours.
Tuna or aforementioned kidneys and tripe, stuff a Kong, freeze it, keeps them busy for hours.
 
CaveCanem said:
Prize Choice tripe blocks stack up in small freezer drawers really easily and keep in the fridge too, they do chicken, rabbit, fish, all sorts. From Jollyes, Pets@Home etc and between 70-90p a block, even if you want to feed one or two days a week and dry the rest of the time.
It's not hard to feed raw, I get all my other stuff out of the bargain bins at Tesco, Asda, Iceland, got two trays of lamb kidney for £2 out of Tesco yesterday and that will be the bulk of his food for two days, it's easy to do by ear.
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Agree, like whatever the hell it is on here :)
 
I only have a small freezer (standard upright fridge/freezer with two freezer drawers) and, although I could do it cheaper if I had a nice big chest freezer, I feed two dogs out of it with ease. One visit to the butcher per week, which I do anyway for meat for us, but could do it all from the supermarket too, plus the odd top-up from feed merchant or pet shop (Prize Choice type blocks and bagged chunks).

Not a great deal of thought goes into it, a few times a week I take a couple of bags of stuff out and put it in the fridge to defrost, the majority of it is chucked directly at the dog, wings are fed at high velocity in this house, I only use a bowl for things like minced tripe which tends to splatter on impact. :p

Fish4Dogs is good stuff if it must be a dry food, delivered to the door, join the breeder's club (make up a kennel name) and it's £30/15kg.
 
It costs me about £3-£4 a week to feed a dog raw. Based on a 20kg dog, I feed between 400-600g a day. It's delivered, so very convenient. I bought a big freezer cos I have three dogs and I bulk buy for a month. I just take out what I need and defrost overnight.

There are decent dried foods out there, I just think it's boring for them to eat dried stuff all the time.
 
i am also guilty of liking the idea of raw- but circumstances do not lend themselves to it up here.

i dont have the space for a big chest freezer at the moment... and even if i did i wouldnt be able to afford to fill it with meat for one dog.... from the co-op!!

no local butcher or wholesaler to speak of up here, and its ridiculously expensive to buy meat for us to eat, let alone the dog!

out of interest east kent/ other "barfers": can you give me an idea of what and how much i would need to be feeding a 60 lb (ish) american bulldog?


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