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Has anyone elses husband got an ego about raw feeding?

Everytime we talk to someone about the dogs my husband always throws out something like "yeah they are real dogs, they eat raw meat"

:D :D
 
CaveCanem said:
Will this get stickied? :p
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If it is, I'm going to add other nutritionally poor (in my opinion ;)) dried foods that I personally wouldn't feed my dogs.

Wagg
Pedigree
Chappie Dry (same ingredients as Pedigree but without the colourings)
Royal Canin
Anything from a supermarket!

Please, please, please: read the ingredients and consider that dogs don't need grain and can't digest them and consider that if the dog is hyper, then it may well be the food! Skin problems can be addressed via the food.

I'm not saying that owners must feed raw, but please consider that some dried foods widely available in supermarkets and advertised on TV contain carcinogens that are banned for human consumption. Just because the company says their product is great, it may not be!

Please use this link www.dogfoodanalysis.com to check ingredients and read reviews.
 
katielou said:
Has anyone elses husband got an ego about raw feeding?

Everytime we talk to someone about the dogs my husband always throws out something like "yeah they are real dogs, they eat raw meat"

:D :D
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Sadly my hubby (geeky, gothy type) gips and runs away when I feed them now:p

I was dishing up (slightly ripe) liver the other day and I swear he ran away crying.....
 
lula said:
is this fish fed raw slinky or does it have to be cooked....and likewise with butchers offal?

sorry, i havent a clue about raw feeding.:o
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As some one has already said tinned fish goes straight in the bowl (keeps the spiders out;)) and fresh fish is fed whole or in chunks. Fresh fish is often regurgitated and re-eaten but it just what they do to digest it:o I don't gut them they get fed whole with bones etc Max the Lab does a good seal impression for a whole herring:rolleyes::D:D:D

Offal is chopped into chunks - stops Max mistaking a heart for a ball:rolleyes: - again introduce with other meat as it is rich :)

As I said my two nick fruit and veg when they feel like it:rolleyes:D
 
EAST KENT said:
Sorry folks,but I`m with Katie Lou on this one..ALL dried foods,as a WHOLE diet are ghastly! As an additive to sprinkle as a treat onto the proper raw diet,well it probably does no harm.
The sooner all dogs are fed as nature intended the sooner your vet will lose money..which can only be good for all of you.
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I think that's a bit rough, a few dry dog food companies are doing a lot to improve their food.

This is what I feed mine and on 3x to the vets in 4 years between them...well...
http://www.wellbeloved.com/products/dog/lamb__vegetable_kibble/adult.aspx

I'd genuinely love to know, what if anything in here, is bad - I tried to do a lot of research on what dogs shouldn't have and this came up as a really good choice, no cereals, grain, additives/colours/preservatives...etc etc But I'm always keen to learn more!
 
cinammontoast said:
Should I write to Hugh Fearnley-whatdoyoumacallhim?! QUOTE]

YES!! I was thinking this the other day. His ban on fish discards will theoretically increase the amount of fish on the market that people don't alwasa buy - so stick it in good quality dog food, and consequently drop the price of such food, AND ban ***** like Bakers. Everybody wins :)
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cinammontoast said:
Should I write to Hugh Fearnley-whatdoyoumacallhim?! Seriously, I would love to do some sort of awareness campaign. Maybe write to all the big supermarkets with the list of E numbers and carcinogens it has?
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I haven't read all the posts on this thread, so this may have been covered, but whilst you're at it, you can contact those vet's surgeries who promote and sell the monstrously high protein, and dangerous puppy feeds.

OK, so vets aren't dieticians, generally, but surely they can see the results of a protein content, often at 30%+, and the growth problems which are all so often presented to them. Perhaps it's a case of win-win, for them.

My own local surgery have finally taken Hills from their shelves. It took some time to explain that "balanced" was what the food wasn't, despite the claims on the packaging.

Alec.

ps, a good thread, c-t.
 
lula said:
see the raw diet is all very well EK and in an ideal world i would without hestitation but like a lot of people im a busy person trying to fit my work in with looking after 2 horses one dog and a furr ball a small child and then there's the OH (but lets not mention him!)

feeding the mutt has to be easy, reasonably economical and convenient. sorry it just has to be. Plus i only have 1 dog and a tiny freezer so buying in a shed load of frozen chook carcases aint going do it im afraid.

agreed tho, dried food is rather rank and i pity my poor dog but in the summer i dont want a lot of fly infested dog tins stinking up the rubbish so im still trying to find an ideal between the both at the mo

what i buy has to be available at the supermarket or animal feed merchants.
all recommendations from you knowledgeable ladies gratefully received!
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^^^^^^^^ this.

I am far too busy and enjoy a lack of space to feed raw. Nor would I want to handle loads of carcasses.

My BM girl does very well on her JWB. Her protein comes from chicken, beef, salmon and sardines / pilchards. The vet asked me what she was fed when she had her booster last week and said it was fine and she was very healthy.

I do wish supermarkets would sell JWB though - make it so much easier than having to drive out of town.
 
Tis true about raw- i simply to not have the space to store chicken carcass, or the time to go get them every day.

Dex is on wainwrights, about to be swapped onto skinners. he also has alot of fish (salmon mouse, sardines, tuna) as his bottom can become quite vile on cooked meats other than chicken. One day i will get a chest freezer and dedicate it to raw dog food!!
 
BBH said:
^^^^^^^^ this.

I am far too busy and enjoy a lack of space to feed raw. Nor would I want to handle loads of carcasses.

My BM girl does very well on her JWB. Her protein comes from chicken, beef, salmon and sardines / pilchards. The vet asked me what she was fed when she had her booster last week and said it was fine and she was very healthy.

I do wish supermarkets would sell JWB though - make it so much easier than having to drive out of town.
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I agree with this too ^^^^

I dont actually have a standalone freezer, just a small under-counter fridge with a small freezer section at the top. Millie was on Duck for a while, but I'd need three or four times the space and to spend a lot more money to be able to afford duck for both of mine now. They are fed Skinners salmon and rice at the moment, and seem to be doing very well. Personally I dont think Raw would work with my lifestyle as it is currently (although once I've won the lottery and i'm a lady of leisure it'd be completely different!)

Unfortunately many people dont understand that different dog foods contain different quality foods - they also dont understand that diet affects health - crazy as it sounds. Bakers et al will always do well, its cheap and incredibly easy to get hold of - many people only have a chance to get dog food in the weekly supermarket shop - they will be completely oblivious to 'feed merchants' and opportunities online.

Just the same as people feed their kids crap, think its ok to exercise the dog with a quick run in the garden every single day, and will still rub a dogs nose in any mess they make in the house, and those that dont think clearing up after their dogs wherever they are is important (this one really gets my goat!!)
 
Alec, I wish more people would take heed of that rocket fuel amounts of (the wrong type of) protein in dry food = puppy growing too fast, storing up huge problems for later life message.......

Sorry, I don't get the busy thing, believe it or not :p up until a couple of weeks ago I was working office hours every day with a 2 hour daily commute :o takes me two minutes to stuff a pair of kongs in the evening and less to chuck the dog a couple of chicken wings or pig's ears. I do not feed chicken carcasses, just the wing (or whatever is in the bargain bin).
There's some image of people slaving away in a shed chopping up bodies but frozen raw food is as compact, easily stored and handled as dry.

Re JWB, I think it is horrendously expensive for what you actually get!
 
It is expensive really, I agree and probably more viable for me than most as one £40 sack lasts me absolutely yonks with the two terriorists, plus I don't have a mortgage/rent, livery or many bills so it is a small amount really.
 
BoolavogueDC said:
It is expensive really, I agree and probably more viable for me than most as one £40 sack lasts me absolutely yonks with the two terriorists, plus I don't have a mortgage/rent, livery or many bills so it is a small amount really.
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See if you can get hold of Skinners hypoallergeniuc feed - the same as JWB only half the price!:) Its about £20 for a 15kg sack in stead of £40. It is also made by a family firm instead of a massive huge conglomerate lke JWB is.....:)
 
You guys know that a huge amount of brands are all made at the same big factory?
And that all the big names, including JWB, are owned by huge commercial conglomerates?
Masterfoods own Chappie, Pal, Pedigree, James Wellbeloved, Royal Canin, among others, Nestle owns Bakers, Beta, Bonio, Pro Plan, Spillers, Winalot.

Not saying this is wrong, but a lot of those brands would have you believe they are autonomous family run, home made etc!!! When they are all churned out under one roof in lots of instances.
 
CaveCanem said:
Sorry, I don't get the busy thing, believe it or not :p up until a couple of weeks ago I was working office hours every day with a 2 hour daily commute :o takes me two minutes to stuff a pair of kongs in the evening and less to chuck the dog a couple of chicken wings or pig's ears. I do not feed chicken carcasses, just the wing (or whatever is in the bargain bin).
There's some image of people slaving away in a shed chopping up bodies but frozen raw food is as compact, easily stored and handled as dry.
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But only if you have a freezer big enough to accomadate. I have a cupboard under the stairs in which i can store 15kg of dry food for the 6 weeks or so it takes him to eat it. I do not have freezer room to store 15kg of raw meat. So by "time" i meant i do not have the time to get to the butchers/ supermarket every other day in order to feed the dog- not that chucking em a carcass is any more time consuming than filling a kong with dry.
 
As mentioned, those blocks are very compact and they can be refrigerated as well as frozen :) even if you just feed a couple a week :) and I buy two boxes of chicken wings from Tesco (again, fridge not freezer) every fortnight.
 
CaveCanem said:
As mentioned, those blocks are very compact and they can be refrigerated as well as frozen :) even if you just feed a couple a week :) and I buy two boxes of chicken wings from Tesco (again, fridge not freezer) every fortnight.
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Blocks? He does get fish 3-4 times a week, and chicken if we happen to have it, other meats tend to make his botty stink- including the wainwrights trays, JWB pouches ets etc
 
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