Barefoot cruelty

yup I think that's the difference really and very much understand I am still not sure I would have had the patience for the transition pre lameness as I was enjoying him too much!

As it was it was that or retirement (and no more fun ;) ) and we did start with 10 mins on long reins down the road and back :)
 
SusieT said:
in other words it is a heavily moderated forum where you cannot disagree, people aren't welcome if not through and through barefooters so actually you are a closed shop-no better than the farriers you villify for looking after their own... At least on here you will get both sides of the arguement, not just advice that will not consider any way but the old faithful dietnetc. regardelss of abcesses, injuries, horses being sore etc. everything on those forums (be it a bee sting on the mouth!) is sorted by taking shoes off..
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Don 't remember seeing you on that forum so not sure how you are in a position to be able to comment with any authority?

my horse was stung in the mouth by a bee, under his tongue actually. We didn't take his shoes off as they had already been off for over 20 years so barefoot clearly didn't work on bee stings. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
The vet gave him a steroid injection BTW which did work.
 
You won't like my new post then! I'm not planning on riding on the stones, I'm just hoping having his shoes off for a few months whilst I can't ride (having a baby) may help his feet.
 
The evidence debate is always interesting. There is, of course, no scientific evidence whatsoever for shoes, it is all anecdotal.

For remedial shoeing, what "scientific" evidence there is, is completely laughable. One study took 82 horses, shot 27 of them as "too bad to help", bar shod the rest and claimed a 50ish % success rate when 28 or so of them "improved", even though some of the 55 they shod were, as stated in the study, not noticeably unsound in the first place. How priceless is that!?!?!?!
 
Ludoctro said:
Ester - I quite believe I could adapt over time to having no shoes in the jungle if I did a tiny bit at a time over a long period

But unfortunately when I had that mare , I had her to compete on, the only reason I personally choose to own a horse to SJ on so I could not spend months maybe years while she could adapt to no shoes I try try for a couple of months but nothing improved and I needed to ride my mare, hack her out , jump her etc.

But yes will a long period of time I'm sure eventually she would of been able to walk without being sore. But I have a horse for a purpose and one purpose one.
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Well then you made the right choice. Forget about it.
 
Paulag said:
I don't have a 'thing' about supplements, that's the point. Noone seems to be able to point me to that 'thing' that provides any evidence for them. What I do have is training in evidence based research in nutrition hence the question 'where is your evidence?' will continue to be asked. Whether my horse is shod or not is a complete irrelevance. I took advice from a professional, not a random opinionated person on a forum.

P xxxx
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Evidence based research mmm have I seen any on shoeing dont think they did any when thry started except that we know that shoeing makes the heels of horses function less well and the heels contract and the frogs of shod horses are much smaller and thus the shod horse has its circulation impaired.
We know that this is a big part of the cause of navicular syndrome even the most traditional anti barefoot vet will tell you that.
But the problem with evidence based research is this if humans had required research to start problem solving we would never have thought lets try and push these seeds that grow into those great plants into the soil in this clearing and see if there's more plants when we come back, and then we would never had started farming.
Forums like this are about opinions without random people with opinions these forums would be pretty dull places.
 
SusieT said:
'here are less hostile places than HHO to get help if you are genuinely looking for barefoot help.

PM me or Oberon if you want to know where to go and we can direct you - but I am one of the admins of the other "place" so fair warning that I won't tolerate posts of the tone of the OP's posts that seek to criticise barefoot horses, trained trimmers, their owners or other hoof care professionals in a non-constructive way. ' in other words it is a heavily moderated forum where you cannot disagree, people aren't welcome if not through and through barefooters so actually you are a closed shop-no better than the farriers you villify for looking after their own... At least on here you will get both sides of the arguement, not just advice that will not consider any way but the old faithful dietnetc. regardelss of abcesses, injuries, horses being sore etc. everything on those forums (be it a bee sting on the mouth!) is sorted by taking shoes off..
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Why on earth should like minded people not have a disscussion forum that devotes itself to to their pet subject .
You don't need to to read it if it's not your thing .
Perhaps the people who post their just want to disscuss their thing without these addmittedly very amusing bun fights.

It's no skin off your nose so ignore it.
 
I agree this is is a controversial issue, however I think there are arguments for and against both sides. I have 2 ponies, an 11.2hhh welsh pony, and shetland/mini. Both have allways been barefoot and have never had even a day of lameness. However,I believe shoes are a nessecity for many horses, and should be used whenever nessecary. It is simply not feasable to keep all horses barefoot.
 
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Sorry to hijack the thread but can those who are knowledgable regarding the barefoot diet tell me whether The Pure Feeds Company 'Easy' has sufficient of the required minerals required for good hoof help? As this is what I am feeding. Thanks.
 
ridefast said:
But you have no PROOF, where are the FACTS, the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE!! Oh now my hair has fallen out, looks like I'm barehead aswell as barefoot
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Oh really!? You should try biotin!!! If that doesn't work blame your genes... That's always a good one!
 
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Wagtail said:
Sorry to hijack the thread but can those who are knowledgable regarding the barefoot diet tell me whether The Pure Feeds Company 'Easy' has sufficient of the required minerals required for good hoof help? As this is what I am feeding. Thanks.
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Not sure. But we fed it to our lami and he did very well on it.

Expensive though.
 
Wagtail said:
Sorry to hijack the thread but can those who are knowledgable regarding the barefoot diet tell me whether The Pure Feeds Company 'Easy' has sufficient of the required minerals required for good hoof help? As this is what I am feeding. Thanks.
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Oi wagtail, we're having an argument here, do you mind?! Go start your own thread!

Gah some people have no manners!!!

:D
 
Iv just come back from a lovely ride on my mare who is now bare, not a foot out of place on the roads and the stones while my friends shod horse was walking toe first and triping none stop.

Had to smile and think of this thread while my mare marched on.
 
Wagtail said:
Sorry to hijack the thread but can those who are knowledgable regarding the barefoot diet tell me whether The Pure Feeds Company 'Easy' has sufficient of the required minerals required for good hoof help? As this is what I am feeding. Thanks.
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I have had a look and it seems pretty good. It could have a bit more magnesium, but overall iron is not sky high, copper and zinc look reasonnable (they could be a bit higher) and there are some goodies added like brewer yeast and I guess Profeed are the probiotics. If you don't have any specific problem or high inbalance in your grass/roughage I would think it would work out well.
 
cptrayes said:
The evidence debate is always interesting. There is, of course, no scientific evidence whatsoever for shoes, it is all anecdotal.

For remedial shoeing, what "scientific" evidence there is, is completely laughable. One study took 82 horses, shot 27 of them as "too bad to help", bar shod the rest and claimed a 50ish % success rate when 28 or so of them "improved", even though some of the 55 they shod were, as stated in the study, not noticeably unsound in the first place. How priceless is that!?!?!?!
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This is a very good point. My old gelding went wrong a few years ago and there is no better word to describe his remedial shoeing than cruel. I wasn't aware of barefoot rehabilitation at the time as an option, but I knew that what the vets and the farriers were doing was wrong, was not making my horse better and was making him very, very unhappy in spite of their insistence that their approach was working. I was just relieved to finally be told by a better vet that there was nothing anyone could do to fix him, put him back in regular shoes and gave me the green light to put him out of his misery. He was made to suffer much more than he should have been and I will always be cross with myself and with Leahurst for that.

If it were now I would welcome giving barefoot a try, as long as my horse's comfort and happiness improved along the way. My point is, remedial farriery can be bloody torture and yet they keep on peddling it and all too often it doesn't even work. It sure makes trusting the "experts" damn hard.
 
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Oh no I missed all the good stuff as I was riding my cripple, oh no sorry, barefoot horse out. But I dont seem to remember him being crippled at all actually...... not on the road or hard core or grass or gravel track...... he must not be a proper horse then. I seem to remember him looking rather horse like though, will check again in the morning just to make sure.
 
dafthoss said:
Oh no I missed all the good stuff as I was riding my cripple, oh no sorry, barefoot horse out. But I dont seem to remember him being crippled at all actually...... not on the road or hard core or grass or gravel track...... he must not be a proper horse then. I seem to remember him looking rather horse like though, will check again in the morning just to make sure.
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If he makes mooing noises it means he's a cow. It's an easy mistake to make, as cows and horses both have 4 legs and a tail. Horses have metal feet though. Cows moo.
 
I reckon some people just get bored and start threads to amuse themselves and watch the fur fly,guess they must be a little bit hacked off that this turned out to be fairly tame and actually informative;)


brucea said:
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PM me or Oberon if you want to know where to go and we can direct you - but I am one of the admins of the other "place" so fair warning that I won't tolerate posts of the tone of the OP's posts that seek to criticise barefoot horses, trained trimmers, their owners or other hoof care professionals in a non-constructive way.
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Can I ask if that is what was the UKNHCP forum?? Always good to know informative places to hang out:)
 
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