Barefoot people - how is this OK?????
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ladyt25
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Oh my word!!!
Amaranta
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Indeed would be interested to hear how anyone can defend this tbh 
ester
Not slacking multitasking
I think I will pass...
I'm not sure anyone has ever said that it requires a strong man to trim a horses hooves and from what I read most 'performance barefoot' horses do so much work the self trim anyway and do not require an angle grinder
I'm not sure anyone has ever said that it requires a strong man to trim a horses hooves and from what I read most 'performance barefoot' horses do so much work the self trim anyway and do not require an angle grinder
Nocturnal
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Who said it was ok?
Meowy Catkin
Meow!
Who said it was ok?
I don't think that anyone has ever said that it was OK.
I have been told that cows hooves are often trimmed with angle grinders, but the cow is in a crush (leg being trimmed secured) and trimmers have been known to lose fingers even so!
joeanne
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Her middle names sum her up perfectly.......
I'd shoot her myself before allowing her access to one of my horses!
And she recommends you use her (probably exceedingly expensive) "remedy" for the transition to being barefoot.
I'd shoot her myself before allowing her access to one of my horses!
And she recommends you use her (probably exceedingly expensive) "remedy" for the transition to being barefoot.
Amaranta
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Her middle names sum her up perfectly.......
I'd shoot her myself before allowing her access to one of my horses!
And she recommends you use her (probably exceedingly expensive) "remedy" for the transition to being barefoot.
Oh we so need a like button on here
joeanne
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Bottom of the thread my dear.......admin pointed it out to me earlier!
Amaranta
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Ohhhhhh so there is
Pearlsasinger
Up in the clouds
Scary stuff!
The real trouble, of course, is that some numpty somewhere will think it's a good idea. We can only hope that any-one who tries it will indeed lose a finger or two.
The real trouble, of course, is that some numpty somewhere will think it's a good idea. We can only hope that any-one who tries it will indeed lose a finger or two.
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amandap
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I've come across this site before. Nuff said.
Oberon
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The Barefoot Taliban has come across this site before a few years ago.
We do not advocate such methods and encourage all owners of barefoot horses to employ the services of a recommended hoof care professional who has many, sound horses on their books, has undertaken some form of formal training and carries adequate insurance.
We are trying to compile a list of recommended trimmers here
http://phoenixhorse.myfastforum.org/about133.html
There is plenty of excellent advice on hooves and keeping horses barefoot for free, online. There is no need to purchase an ebook.
Regarding the use of power tools....trimming horses is hard work and power tools have been used successfully by disabled persons trimming horses in a desert environment.
But it is not something that is appropriate for the UK.
We do not advocate such methods and encourage all owners of barefoot horses to employ the services of a recommended hoof care professional who has many, sound horses on their books, has undertaken some form of formal training and carries adequate insurance.
We are trying to compile a list of recommended trimmers here
http://phoenixhorse.myfastforum.org/about133.html
There is plenty of excellent advice on hooves and keeping horses barefoot for free, online. There is no need to purchase an ebook.
Regarding the use of power tools....trimming horses is hard work and power tools have been used successfully by disabled persons trimming horses in a desert environment.
But it is not something that is appropriate for the UK.
cptrayes
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I actually think I'd rather someone used a power tool on my horses feet than in their mouths. And no-one has a problem watching a farrier burn the foot away to fit a shoe (I know they shouldn't, but they do). Or use 14 inch handled nippers which have a phenomenal torque.
I haven't watched the video, no point, I find a sharp professional's rasp perfectly adequate for my guys' feet.
I haven't watched the video, no point, I find a sharp professional's rasp perfectly adequate for my guys' feet.
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FionaM12
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I wonder why she didn't get someone to proof read her site. It says, "I am a women, and I trim all our horses hooves with very little psychical effort."
Which means, of course, she's several females and doesn't have to use much mind-power to trim hooves.
Which means, of course, she's several females and doesn't have to use much mind-power to trim hooves.
Prince33Sp4rkle
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i wouldnt jump all over her too quickly-how many of you do a complete trim on established barefoot feet in the middle of a dry summer and thus know the effort involved?
even a sharp rasp will struggle on very hard dry feet.
i dont do a full trim on the big guys as teh arthrtis in my back will not allow it, but used to trim the shetty and it is hard hard work, sweating and panting hard work to accurately balance those tiny iron feet!!!!
my trimmer taught me to trim, and i know she uses power tools on some of the ponies, none of the 3 biggies need it as are partially self trimming so not much to come off but i can understand why she does and would have been happy for her to use them on the ponies feet if she had wanted.
as far as power tools in mouth goes-am more than happy to let the edt do it, he's IMO the top guy in the UK and i dont know anyone thats had a problem with his work.
they are only there to reduce effort, tired arms makes mistakes and all that, these tools are a god send when the job is a remedial case, or been left too long, or for a trimmer with a bad back etc.
eta-not saying they should be used as standard or that none of you know how hard work trimming can be, just saying, they CAN be used for good not evil!!!!
even a sharp rasp will struggle on very hard dry feet.
i dont do a full trim on the big guys as teh arthrtis in my back will not allow it, but used to trim the shetty and it is hard hard work, sweating and panting hard work to accurately balance those tiny iron feet!!!!
my trimmer taught me to trim, and i know she uses power tools on some of the ponies, none of the 3 biggies need it as are partially self trimming so not much to come off but i can understand why she does and would have been happy for her to use them on the ponies feet if she had wanted.
as far as power tools in mouth goes-am more than happy to let the edt do it, he's IMO the top guy in the UK and i dont know anyone thats had a problem with his work.
they are only there to reduce effort, tired arms makes mistakes and all that, these tools are a god send when the job is a remedial case, or been left too long, or for a trimmer with a bad back etc.
eta-not saying they should be used as standard or that none of you know how hard work trimming can be, just saying, they CAN be used for good not evil!!!!
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NU ABO
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Urgh, who could ever think that this was a good idea. Not only the DIY trimming, but also boasting about how little time it takes.
My boys barefoot and I'm changing farrier because I don't think he takes enough time trimming my boys feet. Just because he's barefoot, doesn't mean you can go about it half-arsed.
My boys barefoot and I'm changing farrier because I don't think he takes enough time trimming my boys feet. Just because he's barefoot, doesn't mean you can go about it half-arsed.
Oberon
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Problem is, a BF horse can go from sound to lame with one too many strokes of a rasp....
We're talking millimetres of leeway here.
It's just too easy to hurt a horse with a power tool.
And the trimmer in question has a reputation that suggests so
Less is more.
We're talking millimetres of leeway here.
It's just too easy to hurt a horse with a power tool.
And the trimmer in question has a reputation that suggests so
Less is more.
cptrayes
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I don't think any of us have ever used an angle grinder that tiny, it's not like the one my OH uses to cut up Yorkstone paving, it's miniscule. I suspect it is difficult to do much damage with it, depending on what disc she is using in it, it's little more than a rotary sander.
cptrayes
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Don't forget that in the US farriers are not registered and anyone can shoe a horse. I'd rather people did a DIY trim than a DIY shoeing job, or used some of the butchers that operate in the US in the name of professional farriery.
maisie06
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EFF ME!!!! I'm speechless!!! that should NOT be legal....
Bikerchickone
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Oh my god! The thought that anyone would use a book to 'learn' to do something like this seriously worries me! My boy is at Rockley at the moment and the one thing Nic says is that as long as you do a reasonably decent amount of roadwork the horse will trim its own feet exactly how they want them. I intend on keeping my Farrier on to check my lad every couple of months but that's all I'll be doing.
cptrayes
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Which, the use of a power tool or the DIY trimming from a book?
YorksG
Over the hill and far awa
Agree with that!
Anyone who has ever used an angle grinder, with a cutting wheel on it, will know that it is a dangerous bit of kit, not something I would ever consider using near anything which had soft tissue within slipping/moving range. Never mind a novice user of it, going anywhere near a hoof!
Amaranta
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This woman makes me shudder and I also worry that some idiot will think it ok to take her advice - am glad that most barefooters seem to have more sense but I find it absolutely astounding that someone can actually seriously set herself up as an expert like this, she does your barefoot cause no favours
Is there a governing body that a complaint could be made to? I really think this woman should be stopped from spouting her garbage at novice trimmers.
Is there a governing body that a complaint could be made to? I really think this woman should be stopped from spouting her garbage at novice trimmers.
Beausmate
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My OH uses one that size to cut steel. You could easily sever a tendon with one like that. Angle grinders scare the pants off me-I wouldn't want one within 10 feet of my horse!!
My fully trained, fit young farrier takes 15 minutes to trim on average.
mandwhy
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Yes I found this in Italy too when I did some stable work experience there, my boss said it was really hard to find someone who had decent skills to UK sort of standard in the area, and people told me lots of horrible stories. We could forget about remedial or specialist shoeing! If I lived somewhere like that I would be tempted to learn to trim myself, but on a proper course, not from a mis-spelt website.
Also I don't see the problem with appropriately designed power tools (used by a professional). Imagine if the dentist used a hand drill and chisel every time you needed a filling :-/
lazybee
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I have a 4" mini grinder and I have to say you have very good control and can they can be used with great dexterity. You certainly wouldn't use a cutting disc. Lots of different type of discs are available. They are fitted with a guard and a release power switch. Would I use it my horses for regular trimming NO.
Possibly in an emergency.
The UKs leading Self-Taught High Performance Barefoot Trimmer ?.......I doubt it
Ladydragon
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I've got a little 4.5" grinder - it has something like a 12k rpm and is perfectly good at cutting metals and patio paving slabs... You can do a lot of damage with it and as the smaller ones aren't that heavy in the body they can unexpectedly 'bounce' if they hit a hard spot both cutting or debrading...
A "how to" guide for a novice to start using one on a horses hoof is mind boggling...
Chavhorse
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That is where we are finally! My wonderful farrier pitches up to the yard checks Vardi's feet and 8 times out of 10 says "nope he is doing a wonderful job of trimming himself and doing me out of a job" in the last 3 visits the only action his rasp has seen is to sort out one rough edge.
Horse is as sound as a bell.