Barefoot post - sorry, short

badgermyers said:
Hang on so you are wanting horses to be as natural as possible copeing without shoes. Then you restrict their natural forgae, grass? Im not sure all natural/wild horses have balanced minerals either. Domestic horses and wild horses are genetically different....deal with it
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Really? genetically? I think you will find not much

tango'smum said:
exactly!
cp my boy is cushings and ir. muzzled restricted grazing, fast fibre formula 4 feet.. soaked haylage... now have a farrier.. barefoot trimmer made a right mess, all pb's rotated.. he needs shoes...
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It will be interesting to see if your lad is more comfortable with shoes on TM

badgermyers said:
The highland is more true to a wild horse, yes. The arab, used to sand abrasion not roads ect. Arabs are bred to cope with their environment so yes if you are on sand fine, on roads all the time....not so much.

I have studied equine behaviour I know how wild horses graze. I also study equine anatomy, performance and injury. I am not taking with no back up..
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The whole 'I'm at uni I have studied it I know what I am talking about gets a bit wearing tbh' :rolleyes:

xspiralx said:
Genuinely I think if this is for a proper university project I think you need to take a properly objective approach.

Your responses are all very prejudiced - which is not a scientific approach.
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I completely agree spiral :) you have to frequently be prepared to be wrong ;)
 
ester said:
Really? genetically? I think you will find not much

It will be interesting to see if your lad is more comfortable with shoes on TM

The whole 'I'm at uni I have studied it I know what I am talking about gets a bit wearing tbh' :rolleyes:



I completely agree spiral :) you have to frequently be prepared to be wrong ;)
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yes the idea is to see... it either works or it doesnt... worth a try...:)
 
peteralfred said:
particularly as BM doesn't seem to relaise that there is a range of backgrounds on here-some academic and some with decades of experience, some with both.
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I have never mentioned anyones backgrounds nor doubt anyones ability. This is a forum we can all say what we want. None of my research or results is coming from here either :)
 
cptrayes said:
You are talking about something you know precious little about if you think Arabs can't do road work. That's so wrong it's laughable.

I would suggest that you start listening to what some of the people on this forum achieve with horses that the "experts" have written off, and a little less to the received wisdom that you are getting through your Uni course.
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Here's a barefoot arab and the photo of the hoof is after 105 miles. http://www.thebarefootblackstallion.com/meethalim.html
 
cptrayes said:
You are talking about something you know precious little about if you think Arabs can't do road work. That's so wrong it's laughable.

I would suggest that you start listening to what some of the people on this forum achieve with horses that the "experts" have written off, and a little less to the received wisdom that you are getting through your Uni course.
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I didnt say they cant do roadwork? I just mean tarmac is abrasive and over time horses feet can become sore? I dont think I have presented very well trying to comment while in a lecture so sorry about that. I am poo at putting my point across but have enjoyed the conversation with everyone and have some things to start looking into. So thank you
 
peteralfred said:
whoever said research is not for you is correct,unless you learn that you cannot possibly produce anything worthwhile if you go in with an agenda-whether is pro or anti barefoot.It can be difficult for someone coming into education/research after gaining experience in the real world, to be prepared to be totally objective.
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My research is totally unbiased. I am looking at the different in hoof balance between shod and barefoot horses for which I have no current opinion about as I dont know which is better!
 
jklda said:
Apologies for being really thick here but does "barefoot" simply mean not wearing shoes? Mine have been without shoes for a while now (new baby etc) and are all absolutely fine - they all have naturally really good, hard feet anyway, but I'm not bothering with shoes again until they need them for whatever reason

Sorry does this make me barbaric?
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No I also have a barefoot horse :)
 
badgermyers said:
I havnt started my study yet. Bar research papers and some methology

My comments are often put forward to get more information out of people. Not always my opinion, just something to poke people into providing more detail.

Sorry :)
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Why didn't you just ask?

We are very generous with our time on here for people who want to know stuff. All you had to do was ask.
 
badgermyers said:
because its easier and often gets better answers than keep saying why why :)

I have much more now to look into anyway :D
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Well it's damned rude to do it that way, and I for one have formed a very poor opinion of you if you don't have the skill to get the information that you need from people without being disingenuous.
 
BM, thank you for clarifying what you're doing. I really think you should have a chat with Nic at Rockley as she would be able to give you lots of useful information from both sides since she has done lots of research into rehabilitation using methods other than barefoot as well as her own methods.

Personally I'd also like to explain that whilst tarmac does wear a horse's hooves down provided that horse is fed a foot friendly diet and exercise is consistent the hoof doesn't get worn down beyond what is comfortable. Most barefoot horses left to trim themselves on tarmac do have shorter hooves than shod horses but this doesn't mean they're uncomfortable. If anything it means that should there be any issue with the horse's conformation in the limbs above it can compensate for them by shaping the hoof as it requires it, rather than to a trimmer or Farrier's perceived balance.

My horse for example has slight flares on the medial sides of both fronts, however if you look at the whole leg all the way down he's standing, loading and working completely in balance. I'd go so far as to say he's moving beautifully too, for a cob ;) ;)
 
cptrayes said:
Well it's damned rude to do it that way, and I for one have formed a very poor opinion of you if you don't have the skill to get the information that you need from people without being disingenuous.
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thats okay people are allowed an opinion :) I dont do this in person. Its just something I found works of forums were people seem to work better when they can argue sadly ( I have tried the asking nicely method and been talked down to as an idiot!)
 
bikerchickone said:
BM, thank you for clarifying what you're doing. I really think you should have a chat with Nic at Rockley as she would be able to give you lots of useful information from both sides since she has done lots of research into rehabilitation using methods other than barefoot as well as her own methods.

Personally I'd also like to explain that whilst tarmac does wear a horse's hooves down provided that horse is fed a foot friendly diet and exercise is consistent the hoof doesn't get worn down beyond what is comfortable. Most barefoot horses left to trim themselves on tarmac do have shorter hooves than shod horses but this doesn't mean they're uncomfortable. If anything it means that should there be any issue with the horse's conformation in the limbs above it can compensate for them by shaping the hoof as it requires it, rather than to a trimmer or Farrier's perceived balance.

My horse for example has slight flares on the medial sides of both fronts, however if you look at the whole leg all the way down he's standing, loading and working completely in balance. I'd go so far as to say he's moving beautifully too, for a cob ;) ;)
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Thank you, I shall look up those names
 
badgermyers said:
thats okay people are allowed an opinion :) I dont do this in person. Its just something I found works of forums were people seem to work better when they can argue sadly
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So it's OK when you can post anonymously on a forum? Have the guts to give us your name, why don't you?
 
badgermyers said:
The highland is more true to a wild horse, yes. The arab, used to sand abrasion not roads ect. Arabs are bred to cope with their environment so yes if you are on sand fine, on roads all the time....not so much.

I have studied equine behaviour I know how wild horses graze. I also study equine anatomy, performance and injury. I am not taking with no back up..
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Badgermyers can you tell me that you really thought you were going to get better information from this post than by asking -

"what mileage do you do on the road with your barefoot horse and what type/breed/size is it?"

Truly, you are barking :D
 
cptrayes said:
Badgermyers can you tell me that you really thought you were going to get better information from this post than by asking -

"what mileage do you do on the road with your barefoot horse and what type/breed/size is it?"

Truly, you are barking :D
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TBH that question didnt come to mind till after the post. It was a spur of the moment thread between lectures. Sorry!

Yes I am barking, you have to be to work with horses right? ;)
 
Tangos Mum, can I ask, was your boy sound before you took his shoes off? For some reason, I have it in my head that the reason you took his shoes off was because he was lame and you were struggling with him? Does he not have Cushings or am I confusing you with someone else?
 
badgermyers said:
I didnt say they cant do roadwork? I just mean tarmac is abrasive and over time horses feet can become sore?
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I used to think that too but I've never actually seen it happen. We have a walker with a concrete floor, my horses are on there frequently for anything up to an hour 3-4 times a week on top of their ridden work and hacking (which includes at least 2 miles of roadwork as it takes that long to get somewhere) and their feet have never been too short. It certainly works a treat if they have time off and they have gotten too long, but they seem to get to 'about right' and stay there :)
 
Clava said:
Here's a barefoot arab and the photo of the hoof is after 105 miles. http://www.thebarefootblackstallion.com/meethalim.html
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I had the Tarmac misunderstanding before I started BF but Tarmac really is your new best friend unlike my OH's beauiful manicured paddocks which are like a friend whose been slagging you off and undermining you behind your back for years.
Mine do two to three days a week on Tarmac , around one hour.
 
Goldenstar said:
I had the Tarmac misunderstanding before I started BF but Tarmac really is your new best friend unlike my OH's beauiful manicured paddocks which are like a friend whose been slagging you off and undermining you behind your back for years.
Mine do two to three days a week on Tarmac , around one hour.
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thats quite interesting. Maybe I should start walking my barefoot one out on the roads. At the moment he is very much a lawn mower till I can find a small jockey
 
badgermyers said:
I have never mentioned anyones backgrounds nor doubt anyones ability. This is a forum we can all say what we want. None of my research or results is coming from here either :)
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no, but you have quite often said 'I'm studying at university' as if the rest of us have never seen inside of one or studied equine science to the extent that you are. whereas there are a fair few on here who have had peer reviewed studies published and know a little more about research methodology than you do at the current time.

to come on and ask for information is one thing, to deliberately start a bun fight in the name of research is another and quite laughable (unless you are actually carrying out some sort of sociology project rather than a scientific one). I also find it quite rude but at least now i know you are wasting our time.
 
peteralfred said:
no, but you have quite often said 'I'm studying at university' as if the rest of us have never seen inside of one or studied equine science to the extent that you are. whereas there are a fair few on here who have had peer reviewed studies published and know a little more about research methodology than you do at the current time.

to come on and ask for information is one thing, to deliberately start a bun fight in the name of research is another and quite laughable (unless you are actually carrying out some sort of sociology project rather than a scientific one). I also find it quite rude but at least now i know you are wasting our time.
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Well I have found some useful stuff to use in my dissertation from this so not pointless. I have done psychology in the past so do find this kind of stuff interesting so I am sorry. I wasnt starting a bun fight, just wanted to hear opinions. I am sure most people on here have been to uni. I only mentioned it so people knew the point of the post. I am not saying I know all either. I am here to learn as I am sure most people are. I enjoy learning :)
 
Skippys Mum said:
Tangos Mum, can I ask, was your boy sound before you took his shoes off? For some reason, I have it in my head that the reason you took his shoes off was because he was lame and you were struggling with him? Does he not have Cushings or am I confusing you with someone else?
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yes he was sound before... i wasnt riding through the winter so had his shoes taken off... yes he has cushings and ir....his shoes are going back on next thursday...
 
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