BE -Calling Dressage Stewards/Organizers !!!

Can we agree to disagree now folks? I've run out of gin and need to go and do the horses. Interesting debate, can't remember what the OP was on about, but I've enjoyed your company (generally speaking anyway!)
 
rvb99 said:
as in their H&H forum status - foal, yearling ... veteran etc.
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Ah OK, just wanting to clarify your ground rules. So we're looking at postcount then.

So a 'Senior Member' is someone with a higher post count - 'them that posts the most, knows the most'....? :p

So oldvic has 750+, Kerilli has 22,600 (even I have 2,600) - B-B has 125 and you have 25. What does that tell us then.....? :confused: ;) :rolleyes:
 
Only just seen this thread and must admit haven't read all of it but I think that unless someone has a medical condition which means they would find it difficult, that it should be possible to wear a jacket for a dressage test of a few minutes. In the show ring we wear full kit for however long the class takes. I have stood in the midday sun at Hickstead in a class of over 25 show horses roasting nicely in my wool jacket. Admittedly a lot of that is standing but the go round lasts longer than a dressage test but you can't whip your jacket off as you stand in the line up (mind you perhaps that would be a way of winning if I didn't have much on underneath).

And the stewards/judges etc wear suits and bowler hats for the whole time and have my greatest respect for doing so and keeping up standards.
 
meardsall_millie said:
Ah OK, just wanting to clarify your ground rules. So we're looking at postcount then.

So a 'Senior Member' is someone with a higher post count - 'them that posts the most, knows the most'....? :p

So oldvic has 750+, Kerilli has 22,600 (even I have 2,600) - B-B has 125 and you have 25. What does that tell us then.....? :confused: ;) :rolleyes:
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I better get on and post a bit more then!!! Maybe that would make me a better judge!!!!
 
oldvic said:
I better get on and post a bit more then!!! Maybe that would make me a better judge!!!!
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haha, well i'd obviously be the best judge in the world ever then, with absolutely no training, if i tried it... a bit like that odious, ridiculous quote (is it from Lady Catherine in Pride and Prejudice?) that she's sure she would have been excellent at the piano if she had ever bothered to learn!

or maybe i spent far too long on here while recuperating, and got addicted! ;) ;)
 
Kerilli - why don't you start judging? It would give you another string to your bow and it can be very rewarding.
 
oldvic said:
Kerilli - why don't you start judging? It would give you another string to your bow and it can be very rewarding.
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i've done a little bit at unaff and enjoyed it (and didn't get attacked afterwards, so i hope it was okay), but i don't really have the back-up at home to be away all day for training or for judging though. maybe when i have fewer horses or better back-up.
 
i havent read all of the replies but i keep seeing about why tack check at be. ill tell you why. as long as there are rules people will break them or at least try to. upwards of 200 competitors on one day. there will be someone who whether deliberately or not doesnt abide by the rules. i have tack checked and had someone whos bit was incorrect. as they turned away the bit pulled through the horses mouth and they were in a waterford. there was one horse before them. i think it is easier bsja or bd for the judge to check the horse but at the end of the day be rules are different in places to other federations so you cannot expect three judges for three different things to be able to keep an eye on every competitor. what is to say that an eventer is within rules at the sj ring but not cross country. you cant expect fence judges cross country to pick up on illegal tack.
 
oldvic said:
Kerilli - why don't you start judging? It would give you another string to your bow and it can be very rewarding.
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I second this! I am not into aff dressage judging but I am doing a little bit of unaff and the local RS like me judging their little competitions. But I am doing my judges assessment for BSHA and SHB(GB), I enjoy showing but I don't have the money to buy myself a suitable horse and I know the failings of the ones I do have, so judging will provide me with my 'show fix' without the expense and hassle of taking my own horses.
 
diggerbez said:
this is getting better and better :D:D go kerrili! :p
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:D:D:D:D:D:D

"Can we now let this drop and all get on with our lives !!! "

Whilst part of me agrees with this- I also have basically missed a week of Eastenders because of this post- and would be frightfully lost without it!

Part of me wonders why the powers that be haven't stepped in but one rule for one I don't know!

I got a bottle of wine and a tub of Terry's chocolate orange segments here if anyone wants a quick breather...
 
Also all those who commented about technical gear being too expensive- Come on guys, you event, minimum of what £100 an event?! That is a MAXIMUM of 2 events that you would have to miss in the whole season to buy a £30/£40 technical top and a decent technical fabric jacket- (Pikeur do a rather nice one for well under £200- that is machine washable as well)

I know money tight etc etc but either miss an event and buy the gear- or event and don't complain!!
 
Smac, why would the powers that be step in? There hasn't been any bullying or outing, it's been a fairly interesting debate, i thought, with some good points raised here & there... It had never occurred to me that being plaited makes some horses show off more, for e.g.
You didn't have to read it all & miss 'stenders... ;) ;)
 
I agree -however I also feel in previous threads the powers have stepped in when they neednot of... anyway different subject

Thats alright I have caught parts on catch up... :D
 
Baggybreeches said:
I second this! I am not into aff dressage judging but I am doing a little bit of unaff and the local RS like me judging their little competitions. But I am doing my judges assessment for BSHA and SHB(GB), I enjoy showing but I don't have the money to buy myself a suitable horse and I know the failings of the ones I do have, so judging will provide me with my 'show fix' without the expense and hassle of taking my own horses.
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Good for you - go for it. It can be very interesting to be involved with different aspects of horse sports be it judging, riding, stewarding, training, fence judging, writing or whatever. In fact I think all competitors should put themselves on the other side of the fence in some way.
 
^ That. Everyone should try to be on the other side of the fence a bit - it's pretty illuminating! (I think it works the other way, too - I've known experienced organisers who came to competing late in the game and came away with a much better understanding of why competitors sometimes behave the way they do!) Scribing/writing is particularly useful for anyone riding dressage.

I'm off to judge dressage in the morning . . . this thread has frightened me now, as I'm never going to live up to expectations! ;) ;) :D
 
meardsall_millie said:
Ah OK, just wanting to clarify your ground rules. So we're looking at postcount then.

So a 'Senior Member' is someone with a higher post count - 'them that posts the most, knows the most'....? :p

So oldvic has 750+, Kerilli has 22,600 (even I have 2,600) - B-B has 125 and you have 25. What does that tell us then.....? :confused: ;) :rolleyes:
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Errrrrrrr - as a complete newcomer - some people have more time to post than others?
 
Also, I quite often just post saying "well done", or "you've come such a long way" etc etc. So that can amount to an awful lot of posts which have no relevance to my riding abilities
 
Bizarrely, the very first thing that happened yesterday was a competitor came up to ask the organiser and I if we would excuse jackets! :D I couldn't help laughing, which did make everyone look at me funny. And even though
 
Grrr phone. ...

even though it wasn't really that hot it was unaffiliated and lots of kids and novice riders so of course I said it was fine by me. Maybe I'm soft but I'd probably say yes at that level regardless. :)

I genuinely did not and do not care BUT if you looked at the results you might think otherwise. Quite a few people did ride in jackets and they were, almost without exception, clearly the more experienced combinations, and people who took it very seriously. They tended to be riding green, but very smart youngsters or be obviously well trained more novice riders on school master types or keen kids on very competent ponies.

So, unfortunately, their scores reflected this experience and ability, it had nothing to do with them wearing jackets but someone observing with a preconceived idea could have thought otherwise.
 
That would have made me laugh to. But it's interesting isn't it how people will wear them anyway. Is it significant that the highest level that I have been asked (a courtesy is it ok by the BE steward) is at intermediate and never yet at FEI - even at 1*?
 
oldvic said:
That would have made me laugh to. But it's interesting isn't it how people will wear them anyway. Is it significant that the highest level that I have been asked (a courtesy is it ok by the BE steward) is at intermediate and never yet at FEI - even at 1*?
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that's cos we all want pretty pics of us in our tails... esp at 1*! ;) ;)

my siggy pic, it was 30 degrees + that day with no wind at all, totally sweltering, but it never occurred to me for a second to ask for 'shirt sleeve order', no way, i'd have thought it was totally unprofessional (not that i am a Pro by any stretch of the imagination!)

TarrSteps, face it, you just couldn't get beyond the aura of professionalism given by the jackets, could you? ;) ;)
 
LOL TarrStepps I'd have laughed as well!

With regards to the FEI levels I think that if you are dedicated enough and mad (brave) enough to ride at that level sweltering in a jacket for a few minutes through the DR /SJ round is nothing! ;)

I think I have said before but at comps here it is not unsual for the rails of the warm-up area be decorated with jackets as people warm up in shirts and claim their jacket just before going in. It works an a simple system of some honesty and 'minders' (family/friends blackmailed into coming)

Slightly off topic - was talking to a friend about jackets and the heat and they told me about a big 3DE when the XC day was such a schorcher that they cut the jumping efforts and course length to minimum allowed for all classes. In the 3* there was a fall at the water jump where both horse and rider having stood up promptly turned round and lay down again for another nice cool soak before leaving the water (to loud applause!). No idea if it is true or eventing legend but a lovely story!
 
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