BE - new rules for 2009

It's all getting ridiculous now, far too expensive, and we will all be competing against ex advanced eventers who do 20 dressage and double clear all day long....what's the point!

Where are they taking our sport....
 
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What can we expect for 2010 rules - down grading for riders as well so that BE can show equality for all?


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But barring intro any rider can compete on an equal footing with anyone else at the moment
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Didn't the pony club have the 'downgrading' rule for competition in area teams at one point?

I have a feeling it applied to someone I was in an open eventing team with (we are talking 15 years ago).

Does it still apply? How does it work there?
 
PC open, horses that are advanced in points (so over 60) and have competed at advanced or OI in current and preceding season cannt compete at all PC

There are rules too lower down shadowing the BE rules so I expect rule changes at PC to mirror downgrading.
 
I would just like to add my thoughts to this, although i haven't actuaaly read the new rules, just what I have seen on here.

Having bought a horse 6 months ago who hadn't evented in 4yrs, but had intermediate points, and was no way capable of competing at that level any time soon, I actually think the downgrading rule is a good idea (if use genuinely) I know it is different in EI as ON sections, when they run (which is not very often) have inter dressage and SJ and nov XC, which would have been too much for us, but I have had to put in as much effort as everyone else, pay exactly the same as everyone else and only compete H/C this season and for the foreseeable future!

I know this rule could be taken advantage of but it would also have made my season seem a lot less pointless!!!
 
i was just thinking of a new slogan for BE in 2009 How about British Eventing the Tunnel at the End of the Light? or BE Broke or BE Overqualified.....
 
SO much for the Intro and PN finals being for amateurs! there will be alot of good advanced/intermediate horses brought out of retirement now to compete intro and PN for this reason. I personally perfer the open option and dont think horses should be able to be downgraded.
 
I absolutely agree with you. BE are just going too far now
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I have worked my a*se off for 2 years with my youngster to get him ready for affiliating next year and now to be potentially against an ex advanced horse is just unfair
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Also I live on five quid a week so that I can afford to do this. How do they expect amateurs to fund the sport for those higher up.

Perhaps we should start a new BE.... UK Eventing where it is cheaper and doesn't have the most ridiculous and unfair rules. Anyone keen?
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the downgrade rule seems too open - but I do think such a rule is a useful thing. I own a horse who has 1BE point earnt in 2007 - he is a good solid novice schoolmaster who isn't particularly competitive (dressage and SJ not always reliable) however he has suffered this year with some indeterminable gut damage, and probably won't be able to return to the level he was once at. Currently his 1BE point excludes him from doing intro and PN, but I will be happy if he can do 'normal' PN again, as he would enjoy that, and I think even my mum would be keen to try an intro on him.

To the above scenario, I think downgrading is great - to high pointed intermediate and advanced horses... no, that's not fair.

Perhaps there should be a a certain amount that can be downgraded - ie a maximum of 15 points to removed... or veterinary dispensation?
 
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the downgrade rule seems too open - but I do think such a rule is a useful thing. I own a horse who has 1BE point earnt in 2007 - he is a good solid novice schoolmaster who isn't particularly competitive (dressage and SJ not always reliable) however he has suffered this year with some indeterminable gut damage, and probably won't be able to return to the level he was once at. Currently his 1BE point excludes him from doing intro and PN, but I will be happy if he can do 'normal' PN again, as he would enjoy that, and I think even my mum would be keen to try an intro on him.

To the above scenario, I think downgrading is great - to high pointed intermediate and advanced horses... no, that's not fair.

Perhaps there should be a a certain amount that can be downgraded - ie a maximum of 15 points to removed... or veterinary dispensation?

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But that is why there is OPN and OIntro? So you CAN compete at those levels. Tbh, I have considered doing Ointro on a horse who is eligible to do normal Intro as they dont seem particularly competitive
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It might be fair enough to downgrade horses with just a few points out of novice, say less than 25 or so, after 3 years of gaining no more. These are probably genuinely not intermediate horses and are sort of "stuck" in ON. But I agree it's really unfair to allow horses with lots of points to compete at Intro and PN, or even N. To gain that many points they have to be well schooled and good jumpers. That never goes away.
 
Yes he could do OPN and OIntro (Ointro not that common though, right?) but he will not be competitive (he wouldn't even be competitive at PN most the time..) to be able to compete in the normal sections would mean he is eligible again for the grassroots championship, and also he would be much more appropriate as an intro/PN schoolmaster.

I am very proud of his 1 BE point, but I am personally pleased that he will be able to do the lower levels in the normal sections once again (where he really still won't be too competitive
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I can see your point and for you it will probably work out well, n fact I may even do the same with my horse (ie not compete him for 3 years) once he has reached his limit, Our 2 year old can then be foucused on instead. I would then aim him at the PN champs with myself or another rider But is this fair? and he curenly only has 13 points, imagine the horses that have 60+ points that will be eligable.

I think your idea of say a maximum of 15 points is a good idea and certainly more fair that the current rule.
 
It seems there's more scope for more and more Intro entries yet not the corresponding increase in competition days. That will make the whole thing more expensive regardless of the fees going up as they'll be more members and more balloting - great value, I don't think.
don't think we'll be rejoining in 09
 
If horses with points can be down graded, then what about horses who win 3 or more PNs?
We have to ride in Open sections like horses with points. If they do away with horses points and only run those sections for horses who have won 3 or more PNs then there arent going to be many of us to fill the section?
 
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PC open, horses that are advanced in points (so over 60) and have competed at advanced or OI in current and preceding season cannt compete at all PC

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That would be it - the girl I knew had an ex-advanced horse who had an issue with ditches (due to an accident). I remember her having to wait before she was eligible for teams. Not sure it ever got over the ditch problem though (even to compete at low levels).

That was a very long time ago now though.
 
I have to agree, we bought a horse for partner to get started on- a genuine part time amatuer, the horse has 5 BE points, won over three years ago, and they have been happily in OPN this year, but not competitive in the dressage as they were often up against advanced horses etc.. , he is thrilled to be able to downgrade and maybe be more competitive. Dont forget , anyone who goes out and buys a smart advanced schoolmaster can only downgrade under this new rule if no points have been one in last two seasons - will there be many out there like that ?
 
How about this:
Could they make the downgrading like downgrading in BSJA (I think they lose £50 notially of their card a year or something)??
So *for example* a horse can lose 10 points a year, so a horse with 10 points this year will have 0 next and be eligible for everything again, but if they win points again and have to compete in open sections. Then maybe for the ex-advanced/superstars still can only do open sections and make it still more level for the true amaeturs. Also if these ex-advancers have not competed at a level where they can win points for 3 years they can have say 50 points removed for the next year (so if had 90 points, would be 80, then 70, then 60 and then 10; elidigble for novice but not PN/intro!!)
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I can definatly see what your getting at, I think this would work if the reduction could only be applied for once otherwise a horse such as mine would never be out of novice, he got 2 points in 07 which for 08 would be 0 and in 08 he got 11 so next year I would be back to 1 point. therefore I would never be out of Novice which would suit me fine but not sure that would be fair and would kind of defeat the point of having points!

I however think that something else along these lines in a much better idea than the current new rule. It really doesnt seem fair to me.
 
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i was just thinking of a new slogan for BE in 2009 How about British Eventing the Tunnel at the End of the Light? or BE Broke or BE Overqualified.....

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I think BE Broke would fit best!!

Re the rule changes... anyone know if they have changed the rule for CCI* qualification back to what it was??
 
What makes me furious that we have 10% increases in entries and yet when an event is cancelled 10% is retained to pay for abandonment?

So what are the 10% increases for? I am furious about this. BE are taking the piss. BE seems to have no accountability. The Interview H&H carried out with Alex Fox probably sums up the situation. They are unwilling to discuss, do not give a damn what the riders think and will carry on regardless.

BE hates bad press maybe we should club together to put an advert in Eventing magazine asking about all these rule changes, lack of different tests and increase in entries. Maybe BE will listen to grassroots riders then.
 
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BE hates bad press maybe we should club together to put an advert in Eventing magazine asking about all these rule changes, lack of different tests and increase in entries. Maybe BE will listen to grassroots riders then.

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What a good idea!!!!!!
Maybe with a pic of Hitler in the middle asking for all our money.
 
Just looked at the tests cricky what do they want, ponies that can do tricks? I do like a horse that listens to you, but also is able to think for its self, much safer xc I think, with some of the tests do not seem to encourage this in my opinion.
It could be interesting watching some prenovice whoops 100 tests, giving away the inside rein on a circle could sort out those who rely on their hands too much, rather than use their leg.
 
Maybe a slogan in red, white and blue saying BE broke, BE ignored and BE worse off.
 
Well now I competed on a horse with 59 points this year. My aim was JRN so did intro/PN without needing to get placed as I just did it to get confident.
Maybe horses with under 20 points should be able to get totally downgraded like some said.

Also, not too keen on dressage tests. The aim was to get BETTER marks next year!
 
indeed i wondered when someone was going to bring that up! i have been hearing there was something afoot at BE for a while and clearly there is and IMO not before time.
I like Ally Fox but i only know her as one of Kitty's owners but when she took over she was determined to make it all fair and stop it all being about 'who you knew' so i expect she has put a few peoples backs up but if so probably not before time. strangely today i have been thnking about another facet of british eventing that i am starting to feel needs addressing by a higher power so maybe a review or two is in order.
 
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