Behavioural issue, front leg striking out.

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I have 2 Norwegian Fjord half brothers, bought at 6 months (along with one of their mothers), now a year and a half old (I'll refer to them as F and K). It's been fascinating to watch these two youngsters develop their personalities, they are visually like twins and have had the same handling and management throughout. Both were gelded last spring. While both are very sweet boys, they are quite different in their attitude and behaviour and one difference in particular is concerning me. F is super affectionate and less food orientated than K, and his attitude in general very like his mother who we also have. K came to us without his mother, so was weaned much sooner, obviously, and his aunt was never maternal to him, but he always was the one who stayed closer to her, while F was more adventurous and confident of mooching off by himself. K is a bit of a piglet food wise, and will try to dominate at feed times, however I have maintained a feeding order (they have bucket feed simultaneously, lined up at the gate twice daily) of F first, K second and mum last, to press the point to K that he isn't the herd leader. (Mum is actually but she is also more polite with food) My issue with K is that he has, since the start, been very "communicative" with his front right leg. I am reluctant to say aggressive, because this behaviour is present whenever her feels impatient either for food or cuddles. (The Fjords prioritise scratch time a very close second to food and in fact Mum and F often place it higher!) K has always had a tendency to stick that right leg up in the air to paw the gate (yes, it is risky and I do worry about injury) or to "nudge" me if I am scratching the other two and he feels left out. Mostly it really is a nudge, done quite gently. He has struck out more vigorously while coping with farrier visits. Whatever the level, I have always given a slap on the shoulder and firmly scolded. This has done approximently nothing to alter the behaviour. I am expecting to be told to step up my aggression dealing with it, but my reluctance stems from finding little positive results from increasing this when a firm slap and scolding do not work. I feel there is another way and I am appealing for advice in that direction. I would like to add that titbits or scratching reward will not work for reinforcing positive behaviour of keeping his from leg on the floor, I CANNOT give these Fjords titbits as they WILL learn to mug me in triplicate from the first instance if I do.
 
are they gelded? if not then book them in with the vet and when the horse strikes out with the leg give it a hard sharp smack and teach it some manners.
 
Well he is doing it out of impatience for ‘something’.

Do you either positive reward for not doing it - ie whatever he likely to be impatient for does not get given until he is behaving,

Or you ******* him!

Personally, bolshy impatient behaviours such as this with the potential for Horse/Human injury get stamped on pretty quick by me!
 
Well he is doing it out of impatience for ‘something’.

Do you either positive reward for not doing it - ie whatever he likely to be impatient for does not get given until he is behaving,

Or you ******* him!

Personally, bolshy impatient behaviours such as this with the potential for Horse/Human injury get stamped on pretty quick by me!

^^ this - I have one who is quite handy with her front legs when "greeting" other horses so I keep and fence her appropriately because she won't grow out of it when she's left to her own devices, it's just how she is. But if she did it towards a person then I'd be sure to stamp down on it, that really would not be acceptable and could potentially be very dangerous. I'd put it in the same group as biting and kicking.
 
I will not tolerate front leg flashing. It's very dangerous as it can so easily catch you unawares, including from behind.

I would carry a long thin whip, and as soon as he does it tap him smartly right on the cannon bone. It hurts like hell because the skin is so thin, but causes no damage. No need to get violent, but the timing is everything and he must realise that he caused it himself.
 
I will not tolerate front leg flashing. It's very dangerous as it can so easily catch you unawares, including from behind.

I think it could potentially be more damaging to a person than a kick from a hindleg, I just dread to think of the power my welsh has when she strikes out and with the leg moving forwards-downwards, lightning fast too... :eek3: def something to try and nip in the bud.
 
I'm sure this was cute behaviour in my mare as a foal - but it flippin isn't cute at 7 years and nearly 600kg. Must be a food thing because she lost her dam as a baby and has severe food anxiety. That anxiety manifests itself as aggression with teeth and legs. I have a bruise on my calf from a foreleg strike. She's a witch for doing it at bringing in time and I was bogged in mud so couldn't dodge it.

I try to react instantly even if all I have at my disposal is my voice so she knows in the moment that the behaviour is not acceptable. Advice above is great for trying to knock it on the head while yours is still young.
 
I will not tolerate front leg flashing. It's very dangerous as it can so easily catch you unawares, including from behind.

I would carry a long thin whip, and as soon as he does it tap him smartly right on the cannon bone. It hurts like hell because the skin is so thin, but causes no damage. No need to get violent, but the timing is everything and he must realise that he caused it himself.
Exactly. It is possible to punish a behaviour without being overtly aggressive, and I would say it is always better not to be.

ETA: There was a pony that had the habit of striking in this way. I used to catch his leg in my hand, just above the fetlock, when he did this - and I held on to the leg for a while which the pony didn't like. No anger involved, just an unwanted consequence. The 'nuisance value' was effective in punishing the behaviour in this case. More often than not, though, a well-timed tap with a whip will be more appropriate.
 
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"Exactly. It is possible to punish a behaviour without being overtly aggressive, and I would say it is always better not to be.

ETA: There was a pony that had the habit of striking in this way. I used to catch his leg in my hand, just above the fetlock, when he did this - and I held on to the leg for a while which the pony didn't like. No anger involved, just an unwanted consequence. The 'nuisance value' was effective in punishing the behaviour in this case. More often than not, though, a well-timed tap with a whip will be more appropriate."

I had a Arab gelding who behaved in quite an aggressive manner but he was all face rather than action. He once tried to threaten me with raising his hind leg - i quickly grabbed it and held onto it without saying anything just staring at him. The worried expression on the horse's face was priceless and he never did it again.
 
More often than not, though, a well-timed tap with a whip will be more appropriate.
I would like to add by way of clarification that I was referring specifically to striking with the foreleg here, not any kind of misbehaviour in general. The remedies for other unwanted behaviours could well be different and, given a little imagination, needn't involve smacking.
 
I will not tolerate front leg flashing. It's very dangerous as it can so easily catch you unawares, including from behind.

I would carry a long thin whip, and as soon as he does it tap him smartly right on the cannon bone. It hurts like hell because the skin is so thin, but causes no damage. No need to get violent, but the timing is everything and he must realise that he caused it himself.

I did this with my boy when he struck out at me during a temper tantrum. My reaction was immediate, so absolutely no doubt what he was being punished for. I very rarely smack him, so I think it surprised him more than hurt him, but he never tried to strike again.
Kx
 
Some idiot former owner taught my cob to do this to beg for treats :(

I was that idiot but with my highland.. Give a paw. BIG MISTAKE. It took much longer to unlearn it!
And a couple of nips with a schooling whip into the bargian!
#novice owner-baby horse... Bad idea.
 
I'd not feed by the gate and I'd also set him up to succeed - possibly by just feeding all three at once further in the field or bringing out to feed buckets
 
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