Benefit Cheats Nick and Mair Arnold------its OUR money folks!

DipseyDeb said:
I presume you mean he claimed Disability Living Allowance mobility componant......he wouldn't get that for dyslexia!!
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Do you know this for sure ? (this is not an attack btw just curious) He is an able bodied 10 year old boy who is on the football team and goes to mainstream school - he has Dyslexia and some mild behavior issues! I am not sure what criteria are used to deem it necessary for the state to give him mobility allowance.
 
bonny said:
It is tosh and you can't make the system better .....there will always be people who cheat the system in all walks of life.
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So if I can't make it better then saying how I feel about it can't make it worse can it !

It is not tosh but we'll agree to disagree
 
bonny said:
It is tosh and you can't make the system better .....there will always be people who cheat the system in all walks of life.
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Bonny I don't quite understand your antagonism towards people regarding this issue, these benefit fraudsters have done something wrong, therefore they should be punished, it is equine related hence it is discussed here. Do you feel that these people didn't do anything wrong?

Just because it happens in all walks of life and people will always try to do it mean that the authorities shouldn't try to stop it and the people not be punished?

Why do you pass of other peoples experiences as tosh?!

You seem to think it's no big deal and almost as if you think it's a waste of resources chasing these people over it?! Why can't we discuss it if it is an issue that people feel strongly about???
 
Complain about whatever you like, I just objected to anyone being named and shamed on here like this. It's a horse forum, no one is going to say what they did was justified but having everyone jump on the bandwagon and saying they are responsible for the countries woes doesn't help.
 
competitiondiva said:
Bonny I don't quite understand your antagonism towards people regarding this issue, these benefit fraudsters have done something wrong, therefore they should be punished, it is equine related hence it is discussed here. Do you feel that these people didn't do anything wrong?

Just because it happens in all walks of life and people will always try to do it mean that the authorities shouldn't try to stop it and the people not be punished?

Why do you pass of other peoples experiences as tosh?!

You seem to think it's no big deal and almost as if you think it's a waste of resources chasing these people over it?! Why can't we discuss it if it is an issue that people feel strongly about???
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Nobody gets mobility allowance because their son has dyslexia ...that's why I said it was tosh and I'll stand by that.
 
They aren't REALLY being named and shamed here, its no big suprise its in the paper, there's a link to a worldwide available newspaper - where they have been named and shamed.

I don't think anyone's trying to help Bonny..... somehow I think you have missed the point of this thread - OP isn't trying to "help" anyone... they are just making the rest of us aware, which most of us are greatful for.

Pretty sure that's what we all come here for, a chat, keeping up to date on current news (there's even a board specifically for it!! :D)....
 
bonny said:
Complain about whatever you like, I just objected to anyone being named and shamed on here like this. It's a horse forum, no one is going to say what they did was justified but having everyone jump on the bandwagon and saying they are responsible for the countries woes doesn't help.
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I think you're more upset because you know them and feel their actions should be justified....whatever the reason, anyone who is caught should be named and shamed...simple!!!
 
I think this behaviour is disgusting.
It shouldnt be allowed...........I personally myself have to wear a splint from toes to my kness to be able to walk,if i dont have it i cant walk.Every day i suffer a great amount of pain,and swelling,but still i manage to help on my OH farm,look after the children and the horses,AND not claim disabilitiy.I feel that if i can do this,then i dont deserve it.
Also,did i mention im minus a finger as well :D
 
People who commit benefit fraud, especially to do wth disability, make those claiming honestly look bad.

Ladylina83:
You can't get HRM (high rate mobility) for dyslexia, but if they argued he had severe behavioural problems together with a severe learning disability, its possible. The other way to get HRM is being physically incapable of walking, or it being dangerous to their health to walk (as in the case of someone with a severe heart disorder, for instance)

My son gets DLA for both care and mobility, and we have a motability car, because he has autism, epilepsy, hypermobility, low muscle tone, joint laxity and severe sensory problems together with a language disorder.
We need, we are entitled to it, he benefits from it, and we also have a blue badge, bus pass and train pass. I don't work, but my husband does (I am currently at home with our 2.5 yr old who is also being assessed for autism).

Believe me, I would LOVE to have your job for a week!!! I'm not being rude btw but honestly, I would! I am going CRAZY spending every day using PECs, BSL and screaming/crying/spinning to be told what my kids want/need. I would LOVE to not wake up at 2 and 3 and 4am to clean **** smears off my bathroom wall because he's not toilet trained, or change bedding and clean up sick because he's had another seizure...

I guess maybe if you sound jealous (and I'm not saying you do), I just sound bitter LOL
 
they do a hell of a lot of showing which must be incredibly complicated given their 'disabilities!' On one forum the bloke was thanking his wife as it was she who got the horses ready for showing etc...ahhhhh, how sweet. They cant be that bad, they do sponsor a class with the tax payers money...lol.
And he's a judge!!!

http://www.northwalesarab.co.uk/2009.php

I was a fraud officer for the DSS and loved nailing the dishonest sods. Bonny, benefit fraud is theft, pure and simple.
 
MosMum said:
People who commit benefit fraud, especially to do wth disability, make those claiming honestly look bad.

Ladylina83:
You can't get HRM (high rate mobility) for dyslexia, but if they argued he had severe behavioural problems together with a severe learning disability, its possible. The other way to get HRM is being physically incapable of walking, or it being dangerous to their health to walk (as in the case of someone with a severe heart disorder, for instance)

My son gets DLA for both care and mobility, and we have a motability car, because he has autism, epilepsy, hypermobility, low muscle tone, joint laxity and severe sensory problems together with a language disorder.
We need, we are entitled to it, he benefits from it, and we also have a blue badge, bus pass and train pass. I don't work, but my husband does (I am currently at home with our 2.5 yr old who is also being assessed for autism).

Believe me, I would LOVE to have your job for a week!!! I'm not being rude btw but honestly, I would! I am going CRAZY spending every day using PECs, BSL and screaming/crying/spinning to be told what my kids want/need. I would LOVE to not wake up at 2 and 3 and 4am to clean **** smears off my bathroom wall because he's not toilet trained, or change bedding and clean up sick because he's had another seizure...

I guess maybe if you sound jealous (and I'm not saying you do), I just sound bitter LOL
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I think this is the whole point of the post.....people like yourself are what the benefit sytem is in place for....people like that are the ones that abuse it and need to be ashamed (though are probably not)...the sad fact is, their are those who receive benefits and are not entitled to it, there are too many 'loop holes' I worked for the (what was) the DSS for 10 years as a visiting officer...I left very bitter because the people who demanded everything going and more were not always the ones who needed it most....90% of the people I dealt with could, in all honesty, could have been in work....those that really needed the help were the ones who seemed to get the raw deal...:(
 
bonny said:
It is tosh and you can't make the system better .....there will always be people who cheat the system in all walks of life.
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Yes you can make the system better.... make it that the people that need help get it ...And the one that dont get off their fat asses and get gainfull employment or starve ... it does cost every worker and worse still has a bad effect on hard working peoples respect for the less fortunate and the system....
 
Ladylina83 said:
Do you know this for sure ? (this is not an attack btw just curious) He is an able bodied 10 year old boy who is on the football team and goes to mainstream school - he has Dyslexia and some mild behavior issues! I am not sure what criteria are used to deem it necessary for the state to give him mobility allowance.
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My BIL get DLA for Dyslexia, only the lower rate of £18 a week, but that means he also gets £70 a week in tax credits.... yet my daughter has Heart failure and gets nothing,.... whole system makes no sense.
 
That's disgusting, Teddi (not that BIL gets DLA but that your daughter doesn't). Have you appealed, and have you used a charity to help do the forms? Wording is everything.
 
Yeah I appealed and it was refused, I found out its because shes under one. If I keep appealing we'll end up in a yo-yo effect as its now over a claim of around £4000 in back payments For DLC, Tax Credits and carers allowance if not more.

I have been advised to leave it, and re-apply with a fresh claim when she is a year old.
 
Teddi, is she on a waiting list for a heart?

Her age shouldn't have an affect on the claim as long as she's had additional needs for at least 6 months. Although it depends on what 'additional care needs' she has. I know she won't be eligable for Mobility but surely care? Although if you've been advised by a charity, ignore me and listen to them! I can see how it would be difficult to prove as an infant that she has more needs than that of another 1 yr old, as they are all quite needy and need round-the-clock care.

Forgot to say, we had to go to tribunal for C's HRM. But we won. His paediatrician wrote a very compelling letter on our behalf.
 
MosMum said:
Teddi, is she on a waiting list for a heart?

Her age shouldn't have an affect on the claim as long as she's had additional needs for at least 6 months. Although it depends on what 'additional care needs' she has. I know she won't be eligable for Mobility but surely care? Although if you've been advised by a charity, ignore me and listen to them! I can see how it would be difficult to prove as an infant that she has more needs than that of another 1 yr old, as they are all quite needy and need round-the-clock care.

Forgot to say, we had to go to tribunal for C's HRM. But we won. His paediatrician wrote a very compelling letter on our behalf.
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Shes only 8 months and I applied when she was 3 months old, so she wouldnt have needed the care for 6months then.

I was advised by the DLA people themselves. She not on waiting list or anything for an operation yet, she is under medication for it, which has it under control. Although she may need an operation at a later date, but they are not going to make a definate desicion for another 6months they've told me today.

Next time I apply I am going to get everyone to write in.
 
Good idea, feel free to PM if you want a chat anytime, I know its a very different situation for your daughter than my son and really feel for you, but raising a child like either of ours isn't easy x
 
I'm sorry to hear about your daughter's problems, Teddi but think that I can shed some light on why she isn't eligible yet for DLA.
DLA is usually only available for children aged over 5 because it is to pay for 'extra care'. Children under that age, and particularly under the age of 1 are considered to need similar levels of care whether they have disabilities or not. For example all children would need to be carried or to use a buggy for transport. All children of this age would need to wear nappies and to be attended to during the night and need help with feeding.
I hope this helps.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
I'm sorry to hear about your daughter's problems, Teddi but think that I can shed some light on why she isn't eligible yet for DLA.
DLA is usually only available for children aged over 5 because it is to pay for 'extra care'. Children under that age, and particularly under the age of 1 are considered to need similar levels of care whether they have disabilities or not. For example all children would need to be carried or to use a buggy for transport. All children of this age would need to wear nappies and to be attended to during the night and need help with feeding.
I hope this helps.
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I think that is pretty much what they said to me on the phone. Is annoying though as BIL dyslexia doesnt keep him awake at night etc. But then people with asthma dont get it, but I think my OH is constantly tired due to his asthma. I used an iphone app to record noises during our sleep, every 10mins he was coughing! Surely thats worse the dyslexia. Just dont get it.
 
I dont agree with benefit cheat in slightest but when i was out of work i got so much money for sitting on my fat backside (around £900/month) that i understand why people have no intention to go back to work.
I was pulling my hair out after a few weeks and hated not having a job (although i had lots of time to spend with my horses)
The sights i seen going into the job center i could only laugh. Your ment to go in fit and ready to go to an interview the same day, and people came in drunk as a fart i couldtn believe it
 
Lila said:
I dont agree with benefit cheat in slightest but when i was out of work i got so much money for sitting on my fat backside (around £900/month) that i understand why people have no intention to go back to work.
I was pulling my hair out after a few weeks and hated not having a job (although i had lots of time to spend with my horses)
The sights i seen going into the job center i could only laugh. Your ment to go in fit and ready to go to an interview the same day, and people came in drunk as a fart i couldtn believe it
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Wow, which job centre did you go to? Is there a higher rate in Chelsea or something? Cos as far as I'm aware JSA is only about £60 a week for the rest of the country.
 
Lila said:
Thats including my rent and council tax.
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oh, so you didn't actually 'get' the money? the landlord / council did. That's different to being handed £900 a month to spend on what you choose.


Of course, benefit fraud is wrong, but the hysteria it causes never ceases to amaze me. Maybe these people are thinking the same as you, why should i work to pay for those politicians / bank managers/ tax evaders who are ripping off the system? Just maybe.
 
lucky-lady said:
oh, so you didn't actually 'get' the money? the landlord / council did. That's different to being handed £900 a month to spend on what you choose.


Of course, benefit fraud is wrong, but the hysteria it causes never ceases to amaze me. Maybe these people are thinking the same as you, why should i work to pay for those politicians / bank managers/ tax evaders who are ripping off the system? Just maybe.
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Ohhh yes she did get the money it paid for a roof over her head not in cash form maybe but !!!!! poiltitians have been going to jail and tax evaders are also so what is your point ???some kind of fraud is ok !!!!!
 
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