Benefit Cheats Nick and Mair Arnold------its OUR money folks!

Tzarinaarabians said:
She always wears a dress whether doing the horses or at a show.

The whole of the UK arab fraternity is annoyed by what has happened, and as it does not show them in a good light, no one is going to have any sympathy with them, so if the person who feels that this subject shouldnt be on this forum, how would they feel if it was their breed society or organisation they belonged to that was associated with this. Not happy, I know.
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If you mean me, I don't have any have sympathy for them at all .....
I wouldn't take it personally though, no one is thinking it makes arab people look bad. It happens in all walks of life. There are alot of people with horses who are defrauding the system just as there are alot of people who live in cities who wouldn't know one end of a horse to another.
 
ZAHRA said:
I AM SO GLAD THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO SHRUG WHEN CRIME TOUCHED YOUR LIFE.

What a stupid and flippant comment to make. Your comment has made me really angry!

Our family house got robbed at 3am in the morning, they stole my dad's merc amoungst other things, a car that my dad had worked really hard to own, he's 60 years old, and has now had to take loan out to replace what originally got stolen.
not to mention the countless time i've had rugs nicked off my horses back, i had well over £3000 worth stuff stolen from my stables not that long ago.

Or do you think a rape victime shrugs after being raped, and then has to deal with what has heppened for the rest of her life? Affecting her relationship with people, and how she see's them.

Sorry but you have no *****ing idea!

Benefit cheats are no better than the people who broke into my house, only imo more sly, i met this nick arnold once and he spoke to me in a upper crust voice-apparently usually talks with a welsh accent
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I assume you are young so I'll forgive you your rant !
I said crime had touched my life, not that I'd been raped.
Worse things happen than having things stolen. I assume your dad's car was insured.
It's not a nice thing to happen but it's common and life goes on ....
 
bonny said:
I assume you are young so I'll forgive you your rant !
I said crime had touched my life, not that I'd been raped.
Worse things happen than having things stolen. I assume your dad's car was insured.
It's not a nice thing to happen but it's common and life goes on ....
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Now come on!
Everybody has their own oppions, so why do you have to be so flippant and downright rude to those who have an oppinion that differs to yours
I find your "let them do what they want, because there is nothing you can do about it" attitude absolutely appalling.
 
Dirtymare said:
Now come on!
Everybody has their own oppions, so why do you have to be so flippant and downright rude to those who have an oppinion that differs to yours
I find your "let them do what they want, because there is nothing you can do about it" attitude absolutely appalling.
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Where was I rude ? Or flippant ?
Theft is common, that's a fact. And I shrugged, another fact.
I never said let people do what they want, I said as far as I could see there was no easy answers.....If you know the solution then why not share it ?
 
bonny said:
Where was I rude ? Or flippant ?
Theft is common, that's a fact. And I shrugged, another fact.
I never said let people do what they want, I said as far as I could see there was no easy answers.....If you know the solution then why not share it ?
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so would you just shrug if someone come and stole everything you owned and the rugs off your horses backs etc etc?
 
bonny said:
Where was I rude ? Or flippant ?
Theft is common, that's a fact. And I shrugged, another fact.
I never said let people do what they want, I said as far as I could see there was no easy answers.....If you know the solution then why not share it ?
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Sorry, and I should have added patronising as well! You may not find your comments offensive, but some of your replies (not all) have been somewhat patronising, and rude.

One idea to stop people stealing from the State is to name and shame.
sadly, a prison sentence (as you quite rightly point out), would only burden the tax payer more.
Naming and shaming is doesnt burden the tax payer, and, in some cases actually works.
 
ZAHRA said:
I AM SO GLAD THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO SHRUG WHEN CRIME TOUCHED YOUR LIFE.

What a stupid and flippant comment to make. Your comment has made me really angry!

Our family house got robbed at 3am in the morning, they stole my dad's merc amoungst other things, a car that my dad had worked really hard to own, he's 60 years old, and has now had to take loan out to replace what originally got stolen.
not to mention the countless time i've had rugs nicked off my horses back, i had well over £3000 worth stuff stolen from my stables not that long ago.

Or do you think a rape victime shrugs after being raped, and then has to deal with what has heppened for the rest of her life? Affecting her relationship with people, and how she see's them.

Sorry but you have no *****ing idea!

Benefit cheats are no better than the people who broke into my house, only imo more sly, i met this nick arnold once and he spoke to me in a upper crust voice-apparently usually talks with a welsh accent
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I actually cannot believe that you just compared rape with benefit theft. What the actual hell are you on. Stealing tax money? Unconsented sex? Seriously.
 
They should be horse whipped from on end of the country to the other. Maybe if there were sentences that were actual deterrents then people wouldn't do it.. I fail to see why I should work my buttocks off and struggle to pay the bills when bone-idle slackers claim money and laugh about it? I do not mean everyone who claims btw. JSA has a place certainly, as does DA. A family member was in a car crash and broke their spine, now has stiff, limited movement and loss of use of one arm. They need it, and I will defend their right to have it, the same way as people actually looking for work should get JSA. However, blatant liars who steal from the system should be flogged.
 
bonny said:
I assume you are young so I'll forgive you your rant !
I said crime had touched my life, not that I'd been raped.
Worse things happen than having things stolen. I assume your dad's car was insured.
It's not a nice thing to happen but it's common and life goes on ....
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Oh what that was rant was it?lol

Your replys has just shown what your mentality is. I was trying to share some of my exp. in life and crime, and why you shouldn't be so flippant about it.

Yeah s.hit happens, and life does go on, for those that are able to deal with it...

God forbid anything bad crime related happens to you, and if it did, i bet your opinion would be totally different
 
Dirtymare said:
Sorry, and I should have added patronising as well! You may not find your comments offensive, but some of your replies (not all) have been somewhat patronising, and rude.

One idea to stop people stealing from the State is to name and shame.
sadly, a prison sentence (as you quite rightly point out), would only burden the tax payer more.
Naming and shaming is doesnt burden the tax payer, and, in some cases actually works.
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Naming and shaming certainly doesn't work.
People think they will get away with things until they are caught.
That's why we have prisons full of people. Alot of crimes are in the papers etc but it doesn't deter other people from trying the same.....
 
ZAHRA said:
Oh what that was rant was it?lol

Your replys has just shown what your mentality is. I was trying to share some of my exp. in life and crime, and why you shouldn't be so flippant about it.

Yeah s.hit happens, and life does go on, for those that are able to deal with it...

God forbid anything bad crime related happens to you, and if it did, i bet your opinion would be totally different
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Your point is ?
I've had much worse things happen to me then my father's merc being stolen !
You probably will as well unless you have a very sheltered life.
I think we are getting off the subject a bit ....
 
ZAHRA said:
i am not comparing it, i was expalining why crime shouldn't be shrugged off as being so flippant
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I *THINK* rape is a far more long term and life affecting, debilitating crime to happen to a person than getting a car nicked. Sorry, but you're totally bonkers.
 
I think benefit fraud is seen as a clean crime and no one is seen to be hurt. The fact is no matter how much you have paid into the system its like insurance you can only claim when you need it, that why its call national insurance not national I've put my money in so I'll spend it.
I've heard people says 'I've paid my taxes for years therefore I will
get everything I can' or the other excuss is 'some people have never worked so why shouldn't I get all I can', as if its a personel bank account.
I worked on a cruise ship last spring and a lot of the passengers were older and they had no idea that were the lucky ones and the young have to pay for everything. My 83 new Mercades driving step father is one of the biggest scoungers there are and he sees it as his right even though he can afford expensive holidays.
My husband is a higher rate tax payer and he has put in far more than he is ever likely to get out of the system but thats the deal.
 
another problem with Benefit cheats isnt just that they are stealing our [the tax payer's] money but that because of the emotion it causes some people with geniune disabilities are put off from claiming what is rightly theres incase their neighbours think they are scrounging. So many,including low income families and pensioners struggle on with limited funds when there is money out there to which they are,by law,entitled. Whilst those not entitled to it gain payment by lies and cheating. Sad state of affairs.
 
Horsesforever1 said:
another problem with Benefit cheats isnt just that they are stealing our [the tax payer's] money but that because of the emotion it causes some people with geniune disabilities are put off from claiming what is rightly theres incase their neighbours think they are scrounging. So many,including low income families and pensioners struggle on with limited funds when there is money out there to which they are,by law,entitled. Whilst those not entitled to it gain payment by lies and cheating. Sad state of affairs.
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This is very true.

It might seem wrong to show that video but if it put's some people off cheating then it's done a job, but as you say it could stop others from claiming rightly.
I think these people will now be very ill right up until the sentancing in March. I expect they will get off lightly and do some community service or something, but they still will be breeding horses won't they?
 
canteron said:
Look at it this way.

I think we should campaign so all people with horses get a horse allowance, like child allowance for children.

Maybe they are just ahead of their time?
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I'm with you.

Just occurs to me - would you all be so up-in-arms if their horses were rescues?
 
intouch said:
Just occurs to me - would you all be so up-in-arms if their horses were rescues?
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Yes.

I'm sure most of us would like to help out unfortunate horses/animals/people and do more for charity but, like the the majority of honest people, I don't have that much time to spare because I have to work for a living and pay my taxes. :mad:
 
I love catching benefit fraudsters.....I love it when they get as far as court - and I love it even more when I see them on Saints and Scroungers - makes my day worthwhile.

It says the overpayment is £6000 - unlikely prison sentence - probably about 200hrs community service which I suggest is coming and mucking my horses out for me as I have to get up at 5.30am to muck them out before I go to work where I earn less for catching the thieves than they get in benefits

Bonny, Benefit fraud is theft from every taxpayer in the country. I'm not saying it's any better or any worse than any other fraud, but it's one which is close to peoples minds. And as long as it goes on, I'll be doing my damndest to get them prosecuted.
 
Holly Hocks said:
I love catching benefit fraudsters.....I love it when they get as far as court - and I love it even more when I see them on Saints and Scroungers - makes my day worthwhile.

It says the overpayment is £6000 - unlikely prison sentence - probably about 200hrs community service which I suggest is coming and mucking my horses out for me as I have to get up at 5.30am to muck them out before I go to work where I earn less for catching the thieves than they get in benefits

Bonny, Benefit fraud is theft from every taxpayer in the country. I'm not saying it's any better or any worse than any other fraud, but it's one which is close to peoples minds. And as long as it goes on, I'll be doing my damndest to get them prosecuted.
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from an ex fraud officer (DSS)....go get em! I know just how you feel ;)
 
Because they do have horses makes it worse as a lot of ordinary folk work dam hard to pay for their horses whereas these guys didn't, they got the income from the state.
For all you fraud guys on here why have they been alowed to get away with claiming benefits since 1995 and only be charged for a few months, something is wrong here. All come out in the wash I suppose.
 
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