Eagle_day
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To be continued ......
Best thing since Ronnie Wallace?
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rosie fronfelen
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WTF??????
JenHunt
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ditto Rosie
Simsar
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Continue on....................
Eagle_day
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Is Judgemental the best thing for Hunting since Ronnie Wallace?
Alas, no. While much of what he says is sensible and indeed laudable, other comments are stark-raving bonkers and downright insulting.
Let us start with the latter. In generally abusing the efforts of hunt staff, masters, secretaries and committees, he tars himself with his own brush and becomes guilty of the arrogant and rude behaviour that he accuses hunt officials of. I wonder if he has ever field-mastered or even collected a cap: both are very difficult jobs and if the individuals performing those tasks sometimes forget to smile, then perhaps they should be forgiven. It is unfortunate that our crusader does not appreciate the efforts given by so many in their free time and for no remuneration, just for the love of the sport.
Now on to the suggestion from La-la Land. While I do not know whether the MFHA read this forum - reading other threads here, I imagine they are too busy at the moment to do so - I know for a fact that the antis do. They must be wetting themselves with laughter at the proposition that hunt staff voluntarily identify themselves and wear name tags. Prosecutions have failed because of LACS' failure to identify staff allegedly breaking the Hunting Act - some of you may remember antis' video footage from the West Country a couple of seasons or so ago that appeared quite damning but nevertheless failed to secure convictions because of the lack of ID. The fact that LACS are now prosecuting hunts on the basis of covert surveillance makes the removability of those name badges utterly irrelevant.
Many of you will have served on various committees, clubs and perhaps parish councils and will recall the newcomer full of ideas but insensible to the feelings and long-term service performed by the remainder, and often only too keen on his self-promotion. After a period of grief, he disappears as quickly as he appeared, leaving the rest to just get on with it. Such people used to be called 'blowhards'. But never Ronnie Wallace.
Alas, no. While much of what he says is sensible and indeed laudable, other comments are stark-raving bonkers and downright insulting.
Let us start with the latter. In generally abusing the efforts of hunt staff, masters, secretaries and committees, he tars himself with his own brush and becomes guilty of the arrogant and rude behaviour that he accuses hunt officials of. I wonder if he has ever field-mastered or even collected a cap: both are very difficult jobs and if the individuals performing those tasks sometimes forget to smile, then perhaps they should be forgiven. It is unfortunate that our crusader does not appreciate the efforts given by so many in their free time and for no remuneration, just for the love of the sport.
Now on to the suggestion from La-la Land. While I do not know whether the MFHA read this forum - reading other threads here, I imagine they are too busy at the moment to do so - I know for a fact that the antis do. They must be wetting themselves with laughter at the proposition that hunt staff voluntarily identify themselves and wear name tags. Prosecutions have failed because of LACS' failure to identify staff allegedly breaking the Hunting Act - some of you may remember antis' video footage from the West Country a couple of seasons or so ago that appeared quite damning but nevertheless failed to secure convictions because of the lack of ID. The fact that LACS are now prosecuting hunts on the basis of covert surveillance makes the removability of those name badges utterly irrelevant.
Many of you will have served on various committees, clubs and perhaps parish councils and will recall the newcomer full of ideas but insensible to the feelings and long-term service performed by the remainder, and often only too keen on his self-promotion. After a period of grief, he disappears as quickly as he appeared, leaving the rest to just get on with it. Such people used to be called 'blowhards'. But never Ronnie Wallace.
rosie fronfelen
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ED, i do so agree. there is no comparison whatsoever between these two men i knew Ronnie quite well when he was with the Heythrop and helped to bring on new hunters for him. he was a god in hunting circles and was referred to as just that. when he moved to Exmoor, my bosses moved as well so they kept up with him-i remember a long chat with Ronnie when he was not in the best of health but still had the hunting will about him,noone will ever replace him or his hunting skills! JM is a joke, i thought he was a decent type with a font of knowledge, but he has turned out to be an attention seeking man--
Simsar
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Now you know why I take the ****! Name him please.
rosie fronfelen
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do you mean Judgemental?
Simsar
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Yes! I knew RW.
rosie fronfelen
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we obviously moved in the right circles!!!lol--
Simsar
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So who is JM??
bahumbug
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One Ronnie Wallace
There's only one Ronnie Wallace
One Ronnie Waaaaaaallace
There's only one Ronnie Waaaallace
There's only one Ronnie Wallace
One Ronnie Waaaaaaallace
There's only one Ronnie Waaaallace
rosie fronfelen
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????? you been on the vino, Simsar?lol--
Simsar
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No I am asking who is Judgementle? The real judgementle.
rosie fronfelen
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dont tell me there are 2!!!
rosie fronfelen
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he is a mystery man,knows alot about hunting somewhere in the West Country-- cant make him out and i think that is his intention, to keep everyone guessing.why he thinks he is anyone special, god knows.
Simsar
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He does quote himself somewhere as Big family in hunting something something I will find it, we have started a fan club! Oh and he has pink eyes, and is a bloke, I like him.
bahumbug
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me too!
Simsar
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Quote from the man himself.
I come from a well known hunting family, hunt extensively and my own family have come home and said exactly the same.
I come from a well known hunting family, hunt extensively and my own family have come home and said exactly the same.
rosie fronfelen
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i've been following your fan club lol- but pink eyes??? theres something not ringing true and i cant put a finger on it- hes entertaining but-----?
Judgemental
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I have only just spotted this.
Have met The Late Captain Wallace on as I recollect three occasions and followed the Heythrop in a landrover several times, when he was master.
No not remotely - The Late Captain was somebody who would eclipse me in every respect; indeed I have already described myself as "a humble poltroon of the Uria Heap mentality".
I am just a fresh face with some fresh ideas and opinions based upon considerable knowledge of hunting and my intention is to promote new thinking.
Whilst we can have some levity there is serious work to be done to maintain hunting, let alone repeal the wretched act.
As I have said time and time again, you have a whole new playing field on the horizon come the new season - POLITICALLY.
A squalid administration passed the act and now you have a COALITION of diverse opinions.
Firstly I take some offence. Nothing I have said in this thread in any way impugnes any officer of a hunt, or generally.
The main trust of Eagle_day's point on that is that I appear to criticise hunt officers for not smiling.
That was not what I was saying, I was suggesting that everybody should try and smile at those on foot and in vehicles in public places. Particularly the non-hunting public. of course it's helpful to smile at those you hunt with BUT DO NOT KNOW. Personnel people will tell you it's a brilliant way of making folk feel comfortable in large businesses.
My words may have been misunderstood.
Frankly if our very attractive secretary and one of the joints were to smile at one two much when collecting the cap or whatever, one might get the wrong idea. I say what a deliciously naughty thought! Well I never. I shall never be able to look at her again with a straight face; you really are bounders leading me astray.
So far as the antis are concerned, don't even bother to worry about what they might think - that only gives the SCUM 'Mental' sustenance!
Now so far as tags are concerned. I am quite prepared to stand wholly corrected on the following. But did not the last and very poor administration suggest somewhere they were proposing that horse owners should be identifiable when on a public road - something to do with having something like a tax vehicle tax disk in a leather pouch hanging from the martingale or breastplate.
Of course I could be wholly mistaken but I thought I read something to that effect, a year or so ago.
As a result I considered this and wondered if the COALITION might go down a similar watered down road under self regulation.
So some fresh innovative thinking is called for.
Now Mr Eagle_day lets have some original, outward and forward looking thoughts from you as to how best improve the image of hunting. It's not bad but it needs to be better. Othwise you will not be pulled out for early morning hunting and left in the kennel. No flesh and just biscuit possibly a little flaked maize if you are very lucky!
Have met The Late Captain Wallace on as I recollect three occasions and followed the Heythrop in a landrover several times, when he was master.
No not remotely - The Late Captain was somebody who would eclipse me in every respect; indeed I have already described myself as "a humble poltroon of the Uria Heap mentality".
I am just a fresh face with some fresh ideas and opinions based upon considerable knowledge of hunting and my intention is to promote new thinking.
Whilst we can have some levity there is serious work to be done to maintain hunting, let alone repeal the wretched act.
As I have said time and time again, you have a whole new playing field on the horizon come the new season - POLITICALLY.
A squalid administration passed the act and now you have a COALITION of diverse opinions.
Firstly I take some offence. Nothing I have said in this thread in any way impugnes any officer of a hunt, or generally.
The main trust of Eagle_day's point on that is that I appear to criticise hunt officers for not smiling.
That was not what I was saying, I was suggesting that everybody should try and smile at those on foot and in vehicles in public places. Particularly the non-hunting public. of course it's helpful to smile at those you hunt with BUT DO NOT KNOW. Personnel people will tell you it's a brilliant way of making folk feel comfortable in large businesses.
My words may have been misunderstood.
Frankly if our very attractive secretary and one of the joints were to smile at one two much when collecting the cap or whatever, one might get the wrong idea. I say what a deliciously naughty thought! Well I never. I shall never be able to look at her again with a straight face; you really are bounders leading me astray.
So far as the antis are concerned, don't even bother to worry about what they might think - that only gives the SCUM 'Mental' sustenance!
Now so far as tags are concerned. I am quite prepared to stand wholly corrected on the following. But did not the last and very poor administration suggest somewhere they were proposing that horse owners should be identifiable when on a public road - something to do with having something like a tax vehicle tax disk in a leather pouch hanging from the martingale or breastplate.
Of course I could be wholly mistaken but I thought I read something to that effect, a year or so ago.
As a result I considered this and wondered if the COALITION might go down a similar watered down road under self regulation.
So some fresh innovative thinking is called for.
Now Mr Eagle_day lets have some original, outward and forward looking thoughts from you as to how best improve the image of hunting. It's not bad but it needs to be better. Othwise you will not be pulled out for early morning hunting and left in the kennel. No flesh and just biscuit possibly a little flaked maize if you are very lucky!
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Judgemental
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Charlie's are pinkish at night? Where did pink eyes come from Rosie - LOL
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rosie fronfelen
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read through the posts judgie!!
Judgemental
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Just off to give my horses their late evening feed will be back in moment to have a read 21:48
rosie fronfelen
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page 2, post 17. how many horses do you have in, and are they in work?
Ravenwood
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I actually agree with Judgemental to some extent. I think that some packs really are their own worst enemy. For example there is a huge pack here which attracts a massive following to each meet. The worst offenders are the car followers - literally hundreds of them. The masters feel that they have no restriction, or liability for their car followers and that people who live (or move here) should expect to be blocked in the roads.
The trouble is, a lot of us are very pro hunt and support it 100% but equally we have to work, pick up children, get to doctors appointments etc and you can't if the roads are blocked by hundreds of vehicles. This is what gives hunting a bad name - the arrogance and running roughshod over everyone else.
Conversely and as a good example, I went cubbing this evening with a very small pack - and today (like every other day) when we were on the road (field, hunt staff, hounds etc) someone shouted "CAR" and we all got off the road and let them pass - to me that is courtesy and good manners.
Just because we are hunting today - it doesn't mean that we have to hold up everyone else who isn't (as much as they probably wish they were!).
I think that in this day and age, public relations from the hunts is vital. It is ridiculous to antagonise one single person and quite frankly, no need.
As to smiling politics within each hunt - LOL I am pretty sure that the field know the secretaries etc and how happy their dispositions are!
The trouble is, a lot of us are very pro hunt and support it 100% but equally we have to work, pick up children, get to doctors appointments etc and you can't if the roads are blocked by hundreds of vehicles. This is what gives hunting a bad name - the arrogance and running roughshod over everyone else.
Conversely and as a good example, I went cubbing this evening with a very small pack - and today (like every other day) when we were on the road (field, hunt staff, hounds etc) someone shouted "CAR" and we all got off the road and let them pass - to me that is courtesy and good manners.
Just because we are hunting today - it doesn't mean that we have to hold up everyone else who isn't (as much as they probably wish they were!).
I think that in this day and age, public relations from the hunts is vital. It is ridiculous to antagonise one single person and quite frankly, no need.
As to smiling politics within each hunt - LOL I am pretty sure that the field know the secretaries etc and how happy their dispositions are!
rosie fronfelen
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i assume these are the stag hunters?
Ravenwood
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Not mentioning names 
rosie fronfelen
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i know, have seen them for myself- hundreds of vehicles--
Ravenwood
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But when you actually live here............well, its enough to turn you anti!!!