Best thing since Ronnie Wallace?

[Alec Swan]

Whilst I can't be certain, I suspect that the man himself would find much of this rather embarrassing.

JanetGeorge, I always enjoy your posts, but for just this once, I have to disagree with you. Ronnie Wallace rode (sort of!) rough shod over most who didn't agree with him. He bullied and barged his way through his arguments. He was, I'm sure, on occasions wrong. He was after all human.

He did, irritating though he may have been, represent hunting. Were there others who could have worn the mantle which he assumed (and that is the right word)?

Regardless of his faults and mistakes, he was most certainly an ambassador. He may not have been perfect, but he was passionate. My memories of the kindness and restraint which he showed to a young man, me, will remain in place.

Alec.

 

[Judgemental]

STOP! STOP! STOP! Now if their is a fan club to be started it will be JANET GEORGE and I for one can say Janet is NO SNOB, and the CA are all ************* I don't know anything about all this but name calling and bitching and she said you said is not called for on this forum please.

Simsar, yes I agree completely. I was not going to say anything but please can we all be measured in all this.

It could be that threads on this Forum and other things, may possibly be the means by which politicians can see if we are able to handle self-regulation.

The Internet and it's content is the most accessable media means for MP's to make many judgements.

 

[JanetGeorge]

there are 2 sides to every story Ms George, you are quite above yourself with your comment regarding FAR bigger names to quote- and that is typical of a snob, which is the thing that the hunting fraternity want to see less of. as you say,opinions are entitled to, also you arewrong about loyalty and integrity, 2 things that Ronnie stood for!!

Oh get a LIFE! If you want to pick every post I make apart line by line - then expect some back - and I thought you didn't WANT to fight! I mentioned some people who - IMO- were GOOD ambassadors for hunting - to a MUCH wider public than Ronnie reached! You accused me of name-dropping - which I wasn't - and I pointed out that IF I wanted to name-drop, there are 'bigger' names I could have mentioned. I didn't say that they were my best friends or I knew all their wives or that I brought on their hunt horses! ANYONE who knows me knows I am NOT a snob - and I resent that accusation far more than anythingelse you have to say.

And if you'd read my post properly, I referred to the CA Board - in 1998 - in my comment "in this sort of politics, there's no such thing as loyalty or integrity!" I was NOT referring Capt Wallace - he wasn't a Board member of the CA and if he HAD been things would have been very different! If he WANTED someone 'out' he told them to go - he had the courage of his convictions.

Oh - and it's MRS.George-and has been for 28 years!

 

[rosie fronfelen]

i know more about Captain Wallace than you realise, but well leave it at that- so im off to get a life and leave it at that, thank you.

 

[Eagle_day]

Right, where were we? Ah .... yes: Judgemental is Rory Knight Bruce and I claim my £5.

Or maybe not. He is, however, very bitter and twisted about Chartered Accountants; perhaps he has been badly advised in the past - poor judge of character, perhaps. As an accountant who, on a conservative estimate, has saved and recovered in tax twice what I've billed my clients, I scarcely deserve the epithet 'blood-sucking' and would be more than happy to quote him for future business.

While I am delighted to shamelessly plug my business, I will do no such thing for what I've done for hunting over the years: those who know, know, and I will leave the self-promotion to others.

I do regret not adding earlier to this thread but I have been rather busy this bank holiday weekend. Indeed yesterday I was out with our foxhounds in the morning and a pack of bassets in the afternoon. Judgemental would do well to get out a bit more and cut back on trawling internet fora: he will find travel really does broaden the mind. Or is he, as Kipling put it, preoccupied with 'killing Kruger with his mouth'? It may be that the words of the King are even more appropriate and we should demand "A little less conversation, a little more action please".

Elvis has left the building.

 

[JanetGeorge]

Right, where were we? Ah .... yes: Judgemental is Rory Knight Bruce and I claim my £5.

Gee thanks - mouthful of a VERY nice Australian red now adorns my screen!

 

[rosie fronfelen]

Gee thanks - mouthful of a VERY nice Australian red now adorns my screen!

have to give it a scrub then, Mrs George.

 

[Judgemental]

Right, where were we? Ah .... yes: Judgemental is Rory Knight Bruce and I claim my £5.

Or maybe not. He is, however, very bitter and twisted about Chartered Accountants; perhaps he has been badly advised in the past - poor judge of character, perhaps. As an accountant who, on a conservative estimate, has saved and recovered in tax twice what I've billed my clients, I scarcely deserve the epithet 'blood-sucking' and would be more than happy to quote him for future business.

While I am delighted to shamelessly plug my business, I will do no such thing for what I've done for hunting over the years: those who know, know, and I will leave the self-promotion to others.

I do regret not adding earlier to this thread but I have been rather busy this bank holiday weekend. Indeed yesterday I was out with our foxhounds in the morning and a pack of bassets in the afternoon. Judgemental would do well to get out a bit more and cut back on trawling internet fora: he will find travel really does broaden the mind. Or is he, as Kipling put it, preoccupied with 'killing Kruger with his mouth'? It may be that the words of the King are even more appropriate and we should demand "A little less conversation, a little more action please".

Elvis has left the building.

Nope - wrong. Now the Silverton would be Interesting.

New face, new ideas, new broom in the yard sweep out the old ideas onto the muck heap

Mr Eagle_day, I am sure you are a very competant accountant - I don't need accountants - LOL - So you saved a bob or two in tax for a few folk, how does that help hunting in the contemporary world?

What I would welcome hearing from you, is not what you have done in the past for hunting but what you are going to do in the future, what new and exciting initiatives, you can suggest, in the current climate.

Yes we are all out with packs of hounds - how remarkable - you would not think it would you, people on this forum go out with hounds.

Come along now Eagle_day, some smart cutting edge ideas, please?

I did see you on televison did I not?

 

[Simsar]

Evening all.

 

[rosie fronfelen]

Nope - wrong. Now the Silverton would be Interesting.

New face, new ideas, new broom in the yard sweep out the old ideas onto the muck heap

Mr Eagle_day, I am sure you are a very competant accountant - I don't need accountants - LOL - So you saved a bob or two in tax for a few folk, how does that help hunting in the contemporary world?

What I would welcome hearing from you, is not what you have done in the past for hunting but what you are going to do in the future, what new and exciting initiatives, you can suggest, in the current climate.

Yes we are all out with packs of hounds - how remarkable - you would not think it would you, people on this forum go out with hounds.

Come along now Eagle_day, some smart cutting edge ideas, please?

I did see you on televison did I not?

excuse me butting in, but surely gentlemen its time to call a truce, we all want whats best for hunting but we have different ideas and opinions-we are all neither right or wrong but its daft to keep scoring points over each other. i hold my hands up too as ive had plenty to say as well but at the end of the day we are all on the same side,i hope, as i have no idea who either of you are and dont want to know.

 

[Judgemental]

Gee thanks - mouthful of a VERY nice Australian red now adorns my screen!

Mrs George, I really am so sorry that your VDU should be so adorned as a result of Mr or is it Sir Eagle_day suggestiong that I am Mr Bruce - perish the very notion.

As I have said on more than one occasion, I am a mere poltroon of the Uria Heap mentality.

But does it matter whos who, not really. But it does does it not, to the old gurard, those who have failed miserably and presided over hunting up to and during the 2004 Act.

They need to wake up get their act together and think forward.

 

[Judgemental]

excuse me butting in, but surely gentlemen its time to call a truce, we all want whats best for hunting but we have different ideas and opinions-we are all neither right or wrong but its daft to keep scoring points over each other. i hold my hands up too as ive had plenty to say as well but at the end of the day we are all on the same side,i hope, as i have no idea who either of you are and dont want to know.

You might be right Rosie but there has been a comprehensive failure, namely the 2004 Hunting Act.

In companies when there is failure there has to be change and radical change at that!

I might as well add those charged as Hunting Ambassadors are being paid some very serious salaries - they had better be earning their keep and failure is not an option - otherwise it's the Gulag.

 

[rosie fronfelen]

oh, just get it sorted then!

 

[Judgemental]

oh, just get it sorted then!

Rosie, between us all we can go a long way to sorting this, because the power of the Internet did not exist in 2004. The so called movers and shakers of hunting can learn and be told it's not all some gin swilling jolly in the clubs of London, at the expense of such as oursleves.

They will work and work very hard to restore the status quo!

 

[Eagle_day]

Firstly, apologies to Mrs G: while computer monitors are two-a-penny at Currys, a good wine is irreplaceable.

Let us cut to the chase. Three things those in the Hunting world should do - with examples - to promote our cause:

1. Be nice to people:
- Encourage the new and nervous.
- Never hold up traffic longer than you can help it.
- NEVER reprimand anyone in public

2. In the PR battle - don't give the antis an inch:
- Respond to their rubbish round-robin letters in the local rag
- Don't let their arguments go unanswered on the web, on Facebook, Twitter and all internet fora.
- And take the PR fight to them. Eg. Tony Blair has admitted his biggest regret was banning hunting: SHOUT it from the rooftops.

3. Continue to work with our political friends who now, and only thanks to Vote OK, are in government.

All this is already being done by those who Judgemental insults so grievously. It will not happen overnight but incrementally. There is no silver bullet.

So, to use the words of the comic genius Monty Python, Judgemental 'is not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy'.

 

[Simsar]

Oh the life of Brian, fab film. JM you are now Brian.

 

[EAST KENT]

The "having to let her go" of Mrs George was the most regretful act achieved by the BFSS /Countryside Alliance .BRING HER BACK!! Give the "CA" some teeth back.

 

[Simsar]

Excellent a campaign!

 

[JanetGeorge]

The "having to let her go" of Mrs George was the most regretful act achieved by the BFSS /Countryside Alliance .BRING HER BACK!! Give the "CA" some teeth back.

That's very kind of you - but I'm far too old and out of touch! I also have FAR too many horses to look after! And of course it's a whole different 'scene' now -diplomacy and 'soft' PR are the way forward - and I don't DO soft PR (or diplomacy!!)

 

[EAST KENT]

That's very kind of you - but I'm far too old and out of touch! I also have FAR too many horses to look after! And of course it's a whole different 'scene' now -diplomacy and 'soft' PR are the way forward - and I don't DO soft PR (or diplomacy!!)

Well the diplomatic soft approach has got us nowhere fast, never would in my opinion. As I see it ,calling it the "Countryside Alliance" instead of the BFSS was a cop out anyway. Instead of an emblem depicting field sports we now have a bloody poached egg on spinach for God`s sake. All this very polite turning the other cheek ,whilst the LAC spread rubbish at their will,us keeping stum and being gracious pleeeeaaassseee. Anything that REALLY does get us back chasing FOXES is OK by me.


Come on Charlie ,nab a few more humes,you`re doing a great PR job !

 

[Judgemental]

Well the diplomatic soft approach has got us nowhere fast, never would in my opinion. As I see it ,calling it the "Countryside Alliance" instead of the BFSS was a cop out anyway. Instead of an emblem depicting field sports we now have a bloody poached egg on spinach for God`s sake. All this very polite turning the other cheek ,whilst the LAC spread rubbish at their will,us keeping stum and being gracious pleeeeaaassseee. Anything that REALLY does get us back chasing FOXES is OK by me.


Come on Charlie ,nab a few more humes,you`re doing a great PR job !

East Kent, in full cry - here here - for far too long, indeed all my life I have been told, "don't you worry about a thing old boy, we have our ear to the ground and 'special' channels. Sir Rupert Potlington-Symth-Blowingoffinthewind, (he of the chalk stripe suit, regimental tie and carefully coiffured silver locks at 'Trumpingtons') will have a gin and pink with the minister, at the In and out Club don't you know. It will be alright, nothing to worry about old chap" (Tap tap of the nose along with a knowing wink).

Absolute unadulterated bull ....!

Fail ye not who are charged with sorting out this mess and Hunting Act 2004, because I for one have at this time, very little faith.

Why, because hitherto you allowed Tony Blair to walk all over you and he has admitted he knew absolute .... all about the job!

 

[Eagle_day]

Fifteen years out of date.

 

[stablelad]

The "having to let her go" of Mrs George was the most regretful act achieved by the BFSS /Countryside Alliance .BRING HER BACK!! Give the "CA" some teeth back.

Here here! I totally agree with East Kent, BRING BACK MRS. GEORGE!! In my opinion she is a great ambassador to our cause, only if the now hierarchy had her backbone and fight we may not be in the position we are now! It seems since JG departed the Alliance not much has happened! Where has 'diplomacy and soft PR' got us?

 

[EAST KENT]

I am in very good order thank you, yourself?

Glass adds a certain quality to one's persona but my chums are such clutces, that I know they will drop it in the mud and then the horse steps on it!

I have a slight pechant for cherry brandy but on balance I think my favorite is Apricot brandy

Too much Whiskey Mac gives me a headace and under any type of riding/crash hat with the strap 'anall, it becomes uncomfortable.

Port is ok. It's meant to loosen the vocal cords so your hollar is more audible.

Now ,now JM..what exactly would you be "holloaing"? Somebody with a duster on the end of a hunting whip?? Naughty..in the corner for at least an hour,and no hip flask either while you repent.

 

[EAST KENT]

there are 2 sides to every story Ms George, you are quite above yourself with your comment regarding FAR bigger names to quote- and that is typical of a snob, which is the thing that the hunting fraternity want to see less of. as you say,opinions are entitled to, also you arewrong about loyalty and integrity, 2 things that Ronnie stood for!!

Behave yourself! Probably the stupidist thing ever done by the pro hunters was allowing Mrs George to exit the fray.All that daft non confrontational "reasonable" discussion,welcoming the bloody governments "assessments of our sport,which they totally ignored,really!! Shot ourselves in the foot!
Show some bloody respect please.

 

[rosie fronfelen]

Behave yourself! Probably the stupidist thing ever done by the pro hunters was allowing Mrs George to exit the fray.All that daft non confrontational "reasonable" discussion,welcoming the bloody governments "assessments of our sport,which they totally ignored,really!! Shot ourselves in the foot!
Show some bloody respect please.

look here- this is way out of date,i've moved on and so has this thread. If you are bored find a post that is more recent please!!!

 

[Judgemental]

My handler, or as they are referred to on this forum, one's OH most thoughtfully gave me The Keen Foxhunters Miscellany by Peter Holt and published by Quiller.

A most excellent book full of the most marvellous vignettes and anecdotal stories concerning hunting from it's earliest inception.

An ideal source/sauce to flavour this forum.

One of the most fascinating pieces concerning the late Captain Ronnie Wallace.

In his last season as Master of the Eton College beagles in 1936. The pack hunted 104 days and accounted for 75 brace of hares and three foxes. Unfortunately at his last opening meet, the pack found a fox and killed it in somebody’s kitchen. A female anti from Bracknell read about the event and saw Ronnie Wallace’s picture in the local paper. She wrote to him, “you have a very sweet face, can I not save you before it’s too late?”

 

[EAST KENT]

Most men would have buckled under that offer!

 

[Alec Swan]

Most men would have buckled under that offer!

Some possibly, but I suspect that the good captain, would have initially acquiesced, enjoyed being saved, and then wandered off, to continue in his own way. Which is exactly what I would have advised!!

Alec.

 

[Judgemental]

Some possibly, but I suspect that the good captain, would have initially acquiesced, enjoyed being saved, and then wandered off, to continue in his own way. Which is exactly what I would have advised!!

Alec.

Would you count yourself as a bit of a bounder with the ladies then Alec?