BHS Gold Membership: thinking of letting renewal lapse

funny that this should come up as I let my BHS membership lapse this year (horse was off and for the most part, still is) so didn't see a reason to renew straight away. Will be looking into these as alternatives tbh, particularly as I don't really agree with the "BHS way of doing things"
Depends if you have another form of third party liability. IMO ALL horses owners must have third party liability somewhere / some way.

After the precedents set on horse owner liability even if someone destroys fences causing horses to get out over night, are still liable for any accidents caused, it is a non starter IMO to own a horse and not have third party liability. Not worth losing your house over if went wrong. But can get it through a range of places.
 
In my area they are very active in protecting bridleways. They also run a couple of sponsored rides that Air Ambulance benefit from and have recently run trailer reversing courses for a very low cost.
 
I was a member of BHS for many years. During that time I became disillusioned with them for many reasons. There seemed to be a lot of in-fighting at one time, as the old guard resisted the new, and I thought it took their focus off the important things for a while. They also completely ignored me when I wrote to them about something that mattered to me, so after all that I went elsewhere.
I did have 3rd party through Harry Hall, but I have now changed to WHW as although they are more expensive than HH, I felt happier about supporting a charity, especially with the rescue work they do. I think that will become more urgent as the COL bites, so the charities picking up the pieces will need all the support they can get.
 
But geared to elite riders it’s just not .
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To me, yes it is. This is my perception, the BHS seems to be all about exams, and a certain way of riding, not the way I ride or manage my horses. I don't compete. Affiliated or unaffiliated. It matters not. I don't compete, end of. Hate people looking at me doing anything publicly and for me a Pleasure Ride is about all I'm interested in doing, and hacking-out.

Also as a small DIY YO run from home I do not feel the BHS has anything to offer me in the way of support or advice either; they seem very much geared towards big professional yards with a certain type of horse & rider clientele. I am going to upset some people on here and use the word "snob-appeal".

We have plenty of Access issues where I am. The BHS ROW Officer was and continues to be as useless as a chocolate teapot in this regard.

I occasionally work at a BHS-affiliated training yard; that was/is the only reason I have continued with BHS Gold frankly.

The "events" that occur in my area are never near enough to be able to get to comfortably, they're all held miles away from us, nothing within less than an hour's distance away.
 
The BHS is a bit of a joke. A lot of their information in the exam system is outdated, very ‘our way is the only way’ and when it is sound, is often poorly taught by instructors who are only qualified to deal with decent horses. It’s also impossible to access at all if you live in some areas of the country.

Their access work is fragmented and varies depending on where you are in the country.

And one of our local committee members continues to sell lame / crazy / broken ponies to parents who don’t know a lot. The local BHS riding school uses lame ponies in their hacks fairly frequently, and despite repeated complaints, nothing has happened.
 
Depends if you have another form of third party liability. IMO ALL horses owners must have third party liability somewhere / some way.

After the precedents set on horse owner liability even if someone destroys fences causing horses to get out over night, are still liable for any accidents caused, it is a non starter IMO to own a horse and not have third party liability. Not worth losing your house over if went wrong. But can get it through a range of places.

That's actually a good point. What's now stuck out in my mind was that when BHS contacted me initially about renewing, I had mentioned the above and they didn't even bother to make the point you've raised. I am covered now and will be looking at other options for the future though.
 
The BHS is a bit of a joke. A lot of their information in the exam system is outdated, very ‘our way is the only way’ and when it is sound, is often poorly taught by instructors who are only qualified to deal with decent horses. It’s also impossible to access at all if you live in some areas of the country.

Their access work is fragmented and varies depending on where you are in the country.

And one of our local committee members continues to sell lame / crazy / broken ponies to parents who don’t know a lot. The local BHS riding school uses lame ponies in their hacks fairly frequently, and despite repeated complaints, nothing has happened.

Sorry, but show me someone who's not been through the new system without showing me someone hasn't been through the new system... The new exam content is unrecognisable to the old 'this is the BHS way' that was around in the 90s, especially so at the higher levels (and yes I have taken taken some of the I/Stage 5 exams so speak from first hand experience of all five stages). They have done a LOT to improve the content and feel of the exams whether you're a groom, coach, rider or all three, and it shows. Even the Stage 1 is now geared to the reality of what a 17 year old junior member of yard staff would be responsible for.

I agree that your second and third points can and do happen, but a lot of that comes down to individuals rather than the BHS as a whole entity.
 
The Access county officers are volunteers, so it depends on who has offered to do the work.

If more riders were members then they would have more money to spend on more staff.

I agree that the organisation is not perfect and there have been some rows and upheavals, but until there is another nationwide organisation that can represent riders and horse owners then I am sticking to the BHS.
 
I seem to remember someone mentioning the Veteran Horse Society does third party insurance.

I feel the same. I meant to cancel when there was all the conflict before, which Janet George was involved in. I lost all respect for them over that .
They were bullying staff and sacking them and then being taken to the tribunal and having to pay out thousands in compensation. I added 3rd party onto my horses insurance it was only £13 more.
 
I cancelled mine a few years ago partly because being on the coaches’ register with them was a complete rip off and partly because BHS Ireland is the biggest clique imaginable and they do F all for anyone in Ireland who doesn’t live in Co Antrim or Co Down.

Being on the register cost me hundreds every year in renewals and CPD for which anyone not in one of two areas favoured by them has to travel 2or 3 hours each way, lose money on earnings and potentially pay someone else for yard cover etc, and much of the training wasn’t worth it anyway. I can get instructor cover for a couple of hundred quid elsewhere and do any training locally or online. I get my normal public liability for the horses from HH these days.

We have no bridleways in Ireland, very limited off road riding, and they do practically nothing to promote the expansion of existing riding routes or provision of new ones. We’ve lost four out of five off road routes local to me in the past 20 years and they’ve done nothing to stop it.

They didn’t respond when I contacted them about the appalling welfare issues at a local horse market (which thankfully no longer takes place). Not a word despite complaints from a lot of people 😳

I also despaired at the training and exams system- if you think exams are expensive in GB, well they charge even more for Ireland because apparently all assessors have to be brought over and accommodated (although they could use ones based here). It was cheaper to travel to England and pay flights and accommodation than do St4 in Ireland 😳

I remember paying a lot of money to go on a St4 training course only to find that the BHS had decided there weren’t enough Is in Ireland and they had gathered up a group of IIs who were set loose on us for 3 days, and they were the ones that got the training from the Fellows we thought we're meant to be training us. Some of them were dire, but it was no surprise that they all sailed through the exam and the BHS got their numbers up 🙄

I commented on a thread on here years ago about how disillusioned I was with BHS Ireland and got a message from Stoneleigh asking if I would be willing to chat about it with one of the FBHSs - who was a bezzie mate of the ones running things over here, so I declined.

One of the final straws for me was the purchase of the horse boxes for their road trips. That’s charity money not well spent.

I typed all that in the middle of the night and then decided not to post it, but actually, I think it's all relevant so here goes.

Agree with every word, especially about the waste of money on the horseboxes. Do you remember all the argy bargy at their AGM a few years ago where a lady was assaulted by someone. Not to mention all the money paid out at tribunals for wrongful dismissals at Head Office, that was enough for me, I left.
 
I am a BHS access and Road Safety Volunteer and I can assure you that we do a lot of work to improve the network of off-road riding and improve safety on the roads. The BHS needs to increase its membership so as to be able to demonstrate the number of Horse Riders and Carriage Drivers when negotiating with central and local governments.
 
I cancelled my subscription a few years ago when I joined WHW and also left my horse to them in my will. The BHS no longer catered for my situation - TREC moved away from the BHS a long time ago and I'm not intending to sit any more exams.
WHW provide third party cover for both me and my son and I'm also more interested in their work than the BHS now. Our volunteer bridleway officers are quite pro-active and I can still contact them and would be happy to contribute specific funds for access if this was possible.
 
I am a BHS access and Road Safety Volunteer and I can assure you that we do a lot of work to improve the network of off-road riding and improve safety on the roads. The BHS needs to increase its membership so as to be able to demonstrate the number of Horse Riders and Carriage Drivers when negotiating with central and local governments.
Not in Ireland/NI they don't.
 
Going back to my post on page 1, I mentioned that access to 4 out of 5 of our local off road riding routes (Forest Services) had been lost over the past 20 years, with no intervention from the BHS, but it's worse than that because despite me having pointed it out to them several times in recent years, they are still listing them on the website as being current.
 
Going back to my post on page 1, I mentioned that access to 4 out of 5 of our local off road riding routes (Forest Services) had been lost over the past 20 years, with no intervention from the BHS, but it's worse than that because despite me having pointed it out to them several times in recent years, they are still listing them on the website as being current.
I know this is dead, but please can you explain access to me in Northern Ireland?

Googled it and I don’t understand.

In Scotland, all paths are for all non motorised vehicles + e-bikes.

So walkers, cyclists, horse-riders have a right to go on every path & off-path so long as you do not churn up
the ground/ go through someone’s garden/ go somewhere ‘irresponsible’ (disturb livestock/ deer stalking/ conservation area).

In England, you can only go on certain off-road paths/ bridleways??/ rights of way? & can’t walk off the path.

In N. Ireland? Same as England?
 
I know this is dead, but please can you explain access to me in Northern Ireland?

Googled it and I don’t understand.

In Scotland, all paths are for all non motorised vehicles + e-bikes.

So walkers, cyclists, horse-riders have a right to go on every path & off-path so long as you do not churn up
the ground/ go through someone’s garden/ go somewhere ‘irresponsible’ (disturb livestock/ deer stalking/ conservation area).

In England, you can only go on certain off-road paths/ bridleways??/ rights of way? & can’t walk off the path.

In N. Ireland? Same as England?
In NI we have limited to no designated bridle paths. We can not legally ride anywhere other than our own land and public roads or a very very small number of forests and they are multi use so likely to meet cyclists, mountain bikes and dogs. They are also 9/10 not even suitable for horses by way of the ground being awful and parking rubbish. I can think of only two places near me that allow horses and one is notorious for the keeper being anti-horse and doesn’t follow up on reports of bad paths/dog attacks. The other is quite new and frankly unless you are riding a mountain goat is unrideable.
 
How can the BHS represent the riding and horse owning population to the Government if riders don't join?

It certainly isn't dealing with competition riders as it doesn't do competitions any longer.

The fewer members it has the less it is able to do regarding access, road safety, welfare. Its a bit of a poor show when people say"I only join for the insurance." Who is going to represent riders and owners?

It has an international standard training and examination system.

Am I correct in thinking that all riders in France have to be members of the national organisation? Therefore there is a true representative of the numbers of riders in the country.

If there is no representative body for equestrians, then local and national authorities won’t consider their interests - full stop.
Or, only consider in very localised instances, where a particular lobby group manages to shout exceptionally loudly, precisely an outcome that no one needs.

There are undeniable issues with BHS, but horse people risk far more by losing it’s representative status altogether.

BHS access work has some excellent results, and the organisation would do better to focus far more resources on that, since the benefits to grassroots members (such as those writing on here they might leave, or no longer feel relevant) are obviously far greater than the current BHS emphasis. Cannot comment re Northern Ireland, because I don’t know.
Furthermore, opening and maintenance of Bridleways and restricted byways is of immeasurable benefit to other vulnerable users, such as walkers, cyclists, disabled - ANY group threatened by motor vehicles on the roads.

However, access achievements are patchy, dependent on calibre and commitment of the local volunteers. Note these people are volunteers, often with full time jobs, families, etc.

The BHS Office seems only to advise volunteers how to pursue cases, whereas Bridleways & Bridleways Trust and Ramblers Association are far more proactive, they mount legal challenges with negligent councils and landowners, and actively chase them up.

In relation to RoW issues, horse riders are sadly notorious for moaning and bewailing (the lack of, poor state of) Bridleways, then doing absolutely nothing about this, preferring other groups and individuals to take it up for them. A sorry and selfish state of affairs, which occurs again and again, and must be very dispiriting for any volunteers.

If the nationally-recognised, representative body seriously prioritised access and safety and welfare, might just result in far greater success and support.
 
In NI we have limited to no designated bridle paths. We can not legally ride anywhere other than our own land and public roads or a very very small number of forests and they are multi use so likely to meet cyclists, mountain bikes and dogs. They are also 9/10 not even suitable for horses by way of the ground being awful and parking rubbish. I can think of only two places near me that allow horses and one is notorious for the keeper being anti-horse and doesn’t follow up on reports of bad paths/dog attacks. The other is quite new and frankly unless you are riding a mountain goat is unrideable.
Don’t know what I am talking about here, but are horse riders not recognised as ‘vulnerable users’ by NI authorities? In which case, surely their needs should be incorporated into RoW whether it is forests or tracks or wider spaces / verges on roads?
You’re probably going to have to kick up a hugely publicised fuss re safety and discrimination, emphasised by as many children and riders with disabilities, or from minority communities as you can find.
Would have thought Eire was either more tolerant or proactive re horse access?
 
Looking at costs for public liability insurance, for any riders who enjoy hacking/pleasure rides the Membership for Endurance GB costs £80 a year and includes full PL insurance for rider and their horses and reduced entry fees for their pleasure rides. You don’t have to do the longer distances. Very good value compared to other providers.
 
In NI we have limited to no designated bridle paths. We can not legally ride anywhere other than our own land and public roads or a very very small number of forests and they are multi use so likely to meet cyclists, mountain bikes and dogs. They are also 9/10 not even suitable for horses by way of the ground being awful and parking rubbish. I can think of only two places near me that allow horses and one is notorious for the keeper being anti-horse and doesn’t follow up on reports of bad paths/dog attacks. The other is quite new and frankly unless you are riding a mountain goat is unrideable.
That’s a terrible state of affairs. I thought that the Green Isle was horse mad.
Are you at least able to hunt?
The only downside to access here is that you cannot guarantee avoiding mountain bikes or campers anywhere - you need to break a youngster to a bike/ tent carefully before you ride out.

Had a dodgy situation with ‘wild’ campers hanging their washing and sleeping bag out like a wind sock on the fence to dry and then wondering why the 4yo newly-broken horse starts rearing.
 
I can’t speak for things south of the boarder as I don’t have the knowledge.

We are seen as vulnerable road users in the Highway Code but it doesn’t actually mean anything for the infrastructure in the country. We are very very vveeereyyy low on the list of priorities.
 
Who are people using as an alternative? I literally only have it for the insurance and the occasional discount at events
 
Who are people using as an alternative? I literally only have it for the insurance and the occasional discount at events
That question is only relevant at the level of your individual benefit - fair enough - but if individuals want to retain equestrian representation with national and local authorities, the BHS remains the recognised, statutory consultee.
When it dwindles or disappears....so does umbrella representation for equestrian interests in UK.
 
By being a member of the (British horse Soociety (BHS) you are supporting the only organisation within the U.K. that represents Equines to National and Local governments etc. They carry out a full spectrum of work within the fields of welfare, education, training, access and road safety. There are numerous volunteers who assist them in their work. If you wish to support or assist in the work carried out by the British Horse Society (BHS) you can join their local committees, which are based in every county of the country.
 
I've been with Harry Hall and PetPlan for rider insurance (not horse) and have to say I really liked Harry Hall especially.
 
By being a member of the (British horse Soociety (BHS) you are supporting the only organisation within the U.K. that represents Equines to National and Local governments etc. They carry out a full spectrum of work within the fields of welfare, education, training, access and road safety. There are numerous volunteers who assist them in their work. If you wish to support or assist in the work carried out by the British Horse Society (BHS) you can join their local committees, which are based in every county of the country.
I would think this is about right, because when BHS disappears through lack of support, so does that representation - as before.

BHS are STATUTORY consultees.

Those people disgruntled with BHS (seem to be plenty of them writing on here, probably with some reason) might do more good joining local committees etc and influencing necessary changes, both within their local area and within the organisation.

Horse people tend to do an awful lot of moaning about various issues, but precious few are prepared to actually DO anything constructive or collaborative to remedy - reknowned for it, unfortunately.
 
I would think this is about right, because when BHS disappears through lack of support, so does that representation - as before.

BHS are STATUTORY consultees.

Those people disgruntled with BHS (seem to be plenty of them writing on here, probably with some reason) might do more good joining local committees etc and influencing necessary changes, both within their local area and within the organisation.

Horse people tend to do an awful lot of moaning about various issues, but precious few are prepared to actually DO anything constructive or collaborative to remedy - reknowned for it, unfortunately.
You have hit the nail on the head here. Our affiliated Bridlepath group does clearing of bridlepaths once a month, it is a hard slog to get local riders to help, although I know it is usually on a work day, but couldn't they get a half day off to help with their local bridlepath.

The Access and Road Safety teams do a great job. As for professional riders, what other organisation is going to educate and test riding coaches.

The volunteers put in a lot of work. If there were more members there would be more money for pay for staff.
 
I'm a longtime BHS member and a pet horse/happy hacker. As a happy hacker, I appreciate the organisation's work esp in fields of access, road safety. Like all big charities, the majority of the groundwork is done by volunteers, with a paid professional central staff in a central HQ with a CEO/CIO (same as RSPB, RNLI, etc). I also appreciate knowing I've got a good level of public liability insurance and access to legal advice if needed. (As a cyclist I have same with a national cycling organisation). If there's an aspect of BHS which you're not happy with, write to the Trustees and raise it, write to your local committee. Better still, join your local committee. Change is always more easily done from within an organisation rather than outside of it.

A few posters have said the magazine is too skewed towards BHS training and elite riders....the latest issue came through my door yesterday and I disagree. There is plenty in there for those of us who aren't doing BHS exams and who aren't elite athletes...

2 pages on access/bridleway news/statistics
1 page about research into social licence, BHS volunteer awarded MBE and an obituary to a bridleway volunteer
1 page on changing non-horsey public's attitude towards horses/horseriders
3 page interview with Piggy French on her training philosophy
4 pages calling for BHS Trustee nominations
2 pages on how riders should respond to emergency vehicles when hacking
3 pages on how riders should deal with cattle when hacking
2 pages of report from a coach on recent BHS coaching convention
2 pages on regaining lost confidence as a rider
1 page interview with world reining champion
2 pages on saddle fit
2 pages on menopause issues inc peri menopause
2 pages on pilates for riders
3 pages on forwardplanning for how you keep your horse as climate changes
2 pages on strangles
2 pages on dental issues
2 pages on grass track paddock systems
3 pages on horse heart health
3 pages on horse balanced diet (not sponsored by an advertiser)
6 pages featuring 3 lessons (2 polework, 1 jumping) with young horses
1 page promoting CPD
1 page of recipes and nature (ie non horsey)
1 page of readers letters
1 page of rider road safety issues
1 page of quiz
1 cover page
1 editorial page

Rest of pages are adverts, which are essential to pay for the cost of producing the magazine.

All in all, a fascinating read and I think the most interesting BHS magazine I've ever received to date. Plenty to read through and read again.
 
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